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Everything from the motto to the logo to every brick, every employee, every particle in the constitution of an agency is important.
This ought to be evident to the informed reader and explanation of the psychological & spiritual implications is beyond the scope of this piece.

The new/current ISI logo is the Markhor (literally meaning "sn-ke eater"):
Markhor ISI.jpg

This is a noble logo and aligns Pakistan with Western notions of the portrayal of sn-kes as unfortunate reptilian animals (evident in the Judeo - Christian - Islamic traditions or in the Ibrahamic faith).

The Markhor however is a goat : a land based and yet noble animal. Though the animal itself is good there are perhaps better images that the ISI may adopt (since the ISI is not merely an agency dealing with land based operations but aerial , naval and extra terrestrial intelligence gathering). A hint may be obtained by looking at the logos embraced by the Pakistan Air Force (and their pre occupation with the "Shaheen" or Eagle).

An Eagle is also capable of attacking and defeating reptiles like sn-kes. In Western thought the image of an eagle after capturing such reptiles in its claws is a good omen signifying an end to and overthrow of what is wrong and the advent of what is good and freeing.
eagle with snake 1.jpg

It is said that Timoleon saw an eagle carrying two snakes in its claws before his miraculous victory over the Siciliots. If Pakistanis and Muslims are unaware of the story (the biography) of Timoleon then it is imperative they read up on important , seminal works which may inform them.
Timoleon's Vision of the Eagle.gif

(Above: Timoleon views a good omen)​
For just like if we are unaware of language we may not communicate : stories, the significance behind symbols (animals, races, lands, foods) informs us and allows us to intelligently navigate the world . For example that the de-il appeared to Adam RA and Huwaa RA in the garden in the form of a reptile is in the Torath (the precursor to the Quran and studied by the Ulama Karam but not understood by the average Muslim , most of whom do not know what the Quran is saying in Arabic either). Not knowing the significance behind the stories of Prophets & the revelations perhaps deprives us of the language necessary to communicate . When communicating with a child of Hazrath Ibrahim RA the symbol of a reptile means something but to an idol worshiper a reptile may mean something entirely different ( perhaps it may be an object of worship ).

Similarly, to have a goat capture a reptile is a good beginning but it is important to consider the logo of an eagle carrying the reptile as a logo because both of them communicate the same story (end to what is wrong) but the eagle is a far nobler animal than the noble goat (just like a horse is a far nobler animal than a zebra for example). Now the image of an eagle capturing its prey is common in western traditions.
eagle with snake.jpg

(the image of an eagle capturing a sn-ke is common in western tradition)​

In Western countries like Mexico the "Aztec eagle" is on the flag of the country. To someone who is learned when he sees the flag of Mexico with that symbol they will see 'friends' of what is good but to many Mexicans the story of Timoleon is not known. They know the story of the Aztec Eagle (an entirely different but similar story). Why is that? this is because the Mexicans are not entirely European or white perhaps & their moral code is not as high or as loving as that of the Europeans (as of yet). When the people of Mexico are loved, their lands are become like the lands of Europe and they choose high moral values they too will learn the grand story of Timoleon as told by Plutarch.

Because we wish to see Pakistan become westernized and modernized this gift and suggestion is shared with Pakistan, Pakistanis and the Muslims so they may one day become fair and the Christian & the Jew may say "the Muslim & the Pakistani have loved us more than our own! they have more than fulfilled their familial love for us! and gone beyond it! "

Glory to the God of our father Ibrahim RA , the God of Prophet Israel RA, to the God of Musa RA and to the God of Muhammad SAW : one God & the creator of all !
 
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We love the British, they are our allies, our friends, our co religionists and in many cases the biological fathers of the children of the country of Pakistan. Just like we love our Iranians of course and the Iranian people are part of the best families in Pakistan (like the Bhuttos for example).

?????? o_O
 
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Bhuttos are best family of Pak?????? o_O
Yes they are considered equivalent to a royal family in Pakistan and abroad. Some Pakistanis like my own family may not like the PPP or the Bhuttos (and many in the armed forces do not like the Bhuttos) but they are considered loved/nay adored at home and abroad. The Sharifs are another respected family, the Qureshis, the Khans (Ayub, Imran, Abdul Qadir etc.) . Some descendants of Mughals (Rajputs etc.) and the Iqbal family are also well respected.

The idea however is to make all people as beautiful, smart and wealthy as the best people in the world (not just the Iranians, Brits or Swedish and Norwegians) but to make everyone beautiful and attractive and wealthy and blessed.
 
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Yes they are considered equivalent to a royal family in Pakistan and abroad. Some Pakistanis like my own family may not like the PPP or the Bhuttos (and many in the armed forces do not like the Bhuttos) but they are considered loved/nay adored at home and abroad. The Sharifs are another respected family, the Qureshis, the Khans (Ayub, Imran, Abdul Qadir etc.) . Some descendants of Mughals (Rajputs etc.) and the Iqbal family are also well respected.

The idea however is to make all people as beautiful, smart and wealthy as the best people in the world (not just the Iranians, Brits or Swedish and Norwegians) but to make everyone beautiful and attractive and wealthy and blessed.

Okay
 
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i thought isi didn't have any logos/symbols etc. :rolleyes:

Yes they are considered equivalent to a royal family in Pakistan and abroad. Some Pakistanis like my own family may not like the PPP or the Bhuttos (and many in the armed forces do not like the Bhuttos) but they are considered loved/nay adored at home and abroad. The Sharifs are another respected family, the Qureshis, the Khans (Ayub, Imran, Abdul Qadir etc.) . Some descendants of Mughals (Rajputs etc.) and the Iqbal family are also well respected.

The idea however is to make all people as beautiful, smart and wealthy as the best people in the world (not just the Iranians, Brits or Swedish and Norwegians) but to make everyone beautiful and attractive and wealthy and blessed.
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What if it's not a goat? After all it was formed by a British? :big_boss:

View attachment 381872

Come on brother don't spread rumors that is a statute of Baphomet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet
The logo represents our national treasure the Astor markhor known for its ability to climb any mountain and being a mountain goat is accustom to hunting snakes that threaten it's territory. As such it is a an excellent option for the logo of our secret intelligence service!
 
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Come on brother don't spread rumors that is a statute of Baphomet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet
The logo represents our national treasure the Astor markhor known for its ability to climb any mountain and being a mountain goat is accustom to hunting snakes that threaten it's territory. As such it is a an excellent option for the logo of our secret intelligence service!

I know that, was just trolling :pop:
 
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Ok this goat face of the devil was the last thing I expected on ISI Logo....
But well...

The so called "illuminated" own the world ...



on a side note.....markhor whatever.....controversies could've been avoided...
 
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Everything from the motto to the logo to every brick, every employee, every particle in the constitution of an agency is important.
This ought to be evident to the informed reader and explanation of the psychological & spiritual implications is beyond the scope of this piece.

The new/current ISI logo is the Markhor (literally meaning "sn-ke eater"):

This is a noble logo and aligns Pakistan with Western notions of the portrayal of sn-kes as unfortunate reptilian animals (evident in the Judeo - Christian - Islamic traditions or in the Ibrahamic faith).

The Markhor however is a goat : a land based and yet noble animal. Though the animal itself is good there are perhaps better images that the ISI may adopt (since the ISI is not merely an agency dealing with land based operations but aerial , naval and extra terrestrial intelligence gathering). A hint may be obtained by looking at the logos embraced by the Pakistan Air Force (and their pre occupation with the "Shaheen" or Eagle).

An Eagle is also capable of attacking and defeating reptiles like sn-kes. In Western thought the image of an eagle after capturing such reptiles in its claws is a good omen signifying an end to and overthrow of what is wrong and the advent of what is good and freeing.
View attachment 381865
It is said that Timoleon saw an eagle carrying two snakes in its claws before his miraculous victory over the Siciliots. If Pakistanis and Muslims are unaware of the story (the biography) of Timoleon then it is imperative they read up on important , seminal works which may inform them.
View attachment 381868
(Above: Timoleon views a good omen)​
For just like if we are unaware of language we may not communicate : stories, the significance behind symbols (animals, races, lands, foods) informs us and allows us to intelligently navigate the world . For example that the de-il appeared to Adam RA and Huwaa RA in the garden in the form of a reptile is in the Torath (the precursor to the Quran and studied by the Ulama Karam but not understood by the average Muslim , most of whom do not know what the Quran is saying in Arabic either). Not knowing the significance behind the stories of Prophets & the revelations perhaps deprives us of the language necessary to communicate . When communicating with a child of Hazrath Ibrahim RA the symbol of a reptile means something but to an idol worshiper a reptile may mean something entirely different ( perhaps it may be an object of worship ).

Similarly, to have a goat capture a reptile is a good beginning but it is important to consider the logo of an eagle carrying the reptile as a logo because both of them communicate the same story (end to what is wrong) but the eagle is a far nobler animal than the noble goat (just like a horse is a far nobler animal than a zebra for example). Now the image of an eagle capturing its prey is common in western traditions.
View attachment 381869
(the image of an eagle capturing a sn-ke is common in western tradition)​

In Western countries like Mexico the "Aztec eagle" is on the flag of the country. To someone who is learned when he sees the flag of Mexico with that symbol they will see 'friends' of what is good but to many Mexicans the story of Timoleon is not known. They know the story of the Aztec Eagle (an entirely different but similar story). Why is that? this is because the Mexicans are not entirely European or white perhaps & their moral code is not as high or as loving as that of the Europeans (as of yet). When the people of Mexico are loved, their lands are become like the lands of Europe and they choose high moral values they too will learn the grand story of Timoleon as told by Plutarch.

Because we wish to see Pakistan become westernized and modernized this gift and suggestion is shared with Pakistan, Pakistanis and the Muslims so they may one day become fair and the Christian & the Jew may say "the Muslim & the Pakistani have loved us more than our own! they have more than fulfilled their familial love for us! and gone beyond it! "

Glory to the God of our father Ibrahim RA , the God of Prophet Israel RA, to the God of Musa RA and to the God of Muhammad SAW : one God & the creator of all !

Peacocks are also snake killers. :)
 
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Markhor is Pakistan's National Animal and that actually eats snakes. It is perfect symbol for a secret service.
 
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Markhor is Pakistan's National Animal and that actually eats snakes. It is perfect symbol for a secret service.
We respect that , but the peacock and the eagles are also just as good and even better (as people have already mentioned).
Pakistan has many eagles and falcons , if you had to choose between an magnificent eagle or a peacock or a magnificent goat , what would you choose? It is just a suggestion. No offense intended.
As mentioned earlier the goat has some incorrect connotations in the Western traditions. In pre-christian traditions the goat was identified with the God Pan (not the highest God : he was the God of revelry etc.). In post Christian traditions and in Judaism / Islam goats sometimes make a holy sacrifice (they take away the sins of the world). You have heard of the term "scape goat"? (for expiation of sins). Why have this connotation attached to the logo even if Hazrath Eisa RA was viewed as expiator of sins (by the Christians)? It is a noble symbol ... and it reflects positively upon the ISI nonetheless ...between the various animals...

I get it. Baphomet or Dajjal (false messiah)

Oh Masha allah brother Aawish ... Pakistan literally means "Holy Land " ("Pak" = holy "Stan"= land) ... Pakistan and Israel are both beloved by the God of Ibrahim RA and the British (Protestant Christians) ... may all love Pakistan but above all may the most High God love Pakistan and the defenders of Pakistan and turn our enemies into our friends.
 
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I was told this is not an official logo.
 
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