This time, even China couldn't save Pakistan. Not when it came to Saeed

[SQ8]

No sir it is not right. My sister is a doctor and my ziza is they both are investing their time to eradicate polio. My mother when she was a chairman in the 80s of woman commission I have seen how boxes will come to kids and how she will give me the responsibility to spread it to women who had their men working in the fields.

That was the 90. And people who grew out of that call are still doing that job. Taking care of new borns and handling bigger responsibilities.

I can proudly say that hepatitis b is out my village.

We are weak but we have some resolve.

Ok, I have no idea what context that is.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Is it a bad thing though? For Pakistan in the long run?

Oscar Sahib,
Pakistan just ammended it for escaping from being Grey listed during, 18-23 February 2018
FATF Plenary and Working Group meetings in Paris.
Where India backed by US will do definately "Randi Rona".

 

[Kambojaric]

That is the point I was looking at. Essentially these pseudo religious feifdoms were becoming a headache and legacy of people like Gul&Durrani which we were stuck with.

The need for them was linked with the training and recruitment for Kashmir. That struggle has gone self sustaining thanks to the Indian government and people’s own belligerent attitude and stupidity and only needs basic financial assistance and the random AK thrown across. We no longer need to convince Kashmiris of the need for Jihad since the movement is now autonomous to a large degree.

The western front we’ve mostly washed our hands off from the snakes on that end and the Haqqanis and Taliban are self sustaining.. so why tolerate such menace to society types anyway who are more destructive than constructive?

Couldn't agree more. Gul and co played a game of realpolitik, and that to openly, giving candid interviews to the likes of Al Jazeera where they acknowledge their support for clandestine groups. It is increasingly becoming clear that these assets they created are detrimental to Pakistan in the long run, especially taking into consideration the state of our economy and the urgent need to develop diplomatic relations abroad and thereby boost FDI and exports.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Saeed and other idiots of so called defah e Pakistan were getting carried away in their acts. They even were planning to contest in elections ... Good that his hands are being cut down now. Even media also started to give him reasonable coverage like he is some major stake holder in our Kashmir policy.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

That is the point I was looking at. Essentially these pseudo religious feifdoms were becoming a headache and legacy of people like Gul&Durrani which we were stuck with.

The need for them was linked with the training and recruitment for Kashmir. That struggle has gone self sustaining thanks to the Indian government and people’s own belligerent attitude and stupidity and only needs basic financial assistance and the random AK thrown across. We no longer need to convince Kashmiris of the need for Jihad since the movement is now autonomous to a large degree.

The western front we’ve mostly washed our hands off from the snakes on that end and the Haqqanis and Taliban are self sustaining.. so why tolerate such menace to society types anyway who are more destructive than constructive?

Exactly, using our own populace for recruitment for Kashmir or Afghan insurgency was a disastrous move. It is one thing supporting an insurgency with financial and material means, it affords you certain plausible deniability. When your own nationals are captured or killed during an insurgent attack or when an attack is linked back to an organization working freely in your country, its hard to distance yourself from that.

Guys like JEM chief or Hafiz saeed have become serious liabilities for Pakistan. They are straining our relationship with our allies like China, who have to use their veto power on our behalf to save their fanatic a""es. And because of them even after making such huge contributions to WOT we failed to generate much good will in global capitals.

I know there is fear of creating more Ilyas Kashmiris out of JEM and JUD if they are dis-mantled. But as the tribal area is pretty much secured now, I think it is about time we should start working on these organizations and clean the mess created by likes of Gul/Durrani once and for all.

 

[sparten]

Is it a bad thing though? For Pakistan in the long run?

Its a cost benefit analysis. Our establshment is extremely hard headed and (despite our reputation) very cold when they make their decision. Right now, he is a headache. He might not be a few months hence.

As for "Faizabad Dharna", that was a screwup by the officials on the ground. Note not one of the agreements of the "surrender document" have been implemented.

 

[Thanatos]

Indians are happy boss

This is stupidity. Hafiz Saeed is just a face, it will change nothing. Anti Indian elements will still get support from establishment. Its all symbolic.

 

[undercover JIX]

Tis' true. The idiot overplayed his hand and he'll pay the price now. Pakistan can't dodge the UN it is not possible.

Pakistan used him as long as he was useful. do not need China to counter anything anymore. He has become too badnam to be used anymore. China will be there to support, when Pakistan needs. Pakistan do not depend on HS, he has served his purpose.
China will follow whatever Pakistani policy is.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Hafiz Saeed is just a face,

A pretty good face. Now that he is giving all good names to Pakistan globally.

Anti Indian elements will still get support from establishment. Its all symbolic.

Only to call it intervening in the internal matter of a country. Our retaliation will be justified, while yours get shot down. Perception matters.

 

[Dalit]

This is just one guy that Rapistan seems so obsessed about LOL Rapistan has some real issues considering how occupied Kashmir is filled with so many Hafiz Saeed's.

Even Rapistani ally Trumpland is begging Pakistan for mercy in occupied Kashmir LOL

 

[Thanatos]

A pretty good face. Now that he is giving all good names to Pakistan globally.


Only to call it intervening in the internal matter of a country. Our retaliation will be justified, while yours get shot down. Perception matters.

You didnt get my point.
Nobody cares what India thinks. Whatever Pakistan is doing is not because of Indian pressure.
See the link below.
http://zeenews.india.com/world/us-r...bill-on-pentagons-request-report-2058600.html

 

[El Sidd]

Election fever India

Nuf said!

 

[Chhatrapati]

You didnt get my point.
Nobody cares what India thinks. Whatever Pakistan is doing is not because of Indian pressure.
See the link below.
http://zeenews.india.com/world/us-r...bill-on-pentagons-request-report-2058600.html

I think you didn't get me. I didn't say it was India's doing, did I? If anyone cares what India says or not is another thing. But banning Hafiz Saeed is good for us (to Pakistan too I hope). Whoever pressure Pakistan into it.

Election fever India

Nuf said!

I thought you are having election this year. We have it in 2019.

 

[El Sidd]

thought you are having election this year. We have it in 2019.

I totally forgot that lol

Yes yes we have this year. 2018 right yes

 

[Dash]

Ok, I have no idea what context that is.

The context is we are fighting our causes.

This is stupidity. Hafiz Saeed is just a face, it will change nothing. Anti Indian elements will still get support from establishment. Its all symbolic.

Lol but we are happy painting that face black. Pls give us some more faces like that.