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Thirty thousand Pakistanis dead since 2003

Pakistan doing more than enough against WAR ON TERROR.
But still listing to DO MORE. . . .

Well, then Pak may require some magic to do more, if they Pak effort against war on terror is invisible for both US & India.

Only 3 sikh were killed in Peshawar, Pakistan and then it was shocking for me to watch Indian news channel "Aaj Tak" Zee New" that how they force Sikhs in India to go a war on Pakistan :disagree:
 
Only 3 sikh were killed in Peshawar, Pakistan and then it was shocking for me to watch Indian news channel "Aaj Tak" Zee New" that how they force Sikhs in India to go a war on Pakistan :disagree:

Its always been same, we need to understand and recognize our true enemies. Taliban is the name of proxy, which initially used against USSR, now same name is being used against Iran, Pakistan and china. Puppet masters and puppet name is same, just targets (Pakistan, Iran, and China), facilitators (afghanistan & india) and procedures are changed!
 
There are some forces that do not want peace in region and formation of a great economic zone :undecided:
 
Pakistan doing more than enough against WAR ON TERROR.
But still listing to DO MORE. . . .

Well, then Pak may require some magic to do more, if they Pak effort against war on terror is invisible for both US & India.

Only 3 sikh were killed in Peshawar, Pakistan and then it was shocking for me to watch Indian news channel "Aaj Tak" Zee New" that how they force Sikhs in India to go a war on Pakistan :disagree:
i was watching a video of one of the sikh on ARY two days ago and he was saying like........... Indians ki maa ki aisi ki taisi........ they are spreading rumours...... i would like to tell them we are happy as a Pakistani and we don't have any problem here. We are sad that our 2 sikh brothers died but we are Pakistanis and its our internal matter so ask india to better stay away from us :smitten:
 
i was watching a video of one of the sikh on ARY two days ago and he was saying like........... Indians ki maa ki aisi ki taisi........ they are spreading rumours...... i would like to tell them we are happy as a Pakistani and we don't have any problem here. We are sad that our 2 sikh brothers died but we are Pakistanis and its our internal matter so ask india to better stay away from us :smitten:

the moment gujarat riots stops beingmentioned in this forum, indians will stop their comments on Pak matters.
 
Its always been same, we need to understand and recognize our true enemies. Taliban is the name of proxy, which initially used against USSR, now same name is being used against Iran, Pakistan and china. Puppet masters and puppet name is same, just targets (Pakistan, Iran, and China), facilitators (afghanistan & india) and procedures are changed!

Its always been same, we need to understand and recognize our true enemies. Taliban is the name of our (GoP) proxy, which we (GoP) initially used against Afghanistan and India, now same name is being used against us (Pakistan). Puppet masters (ISI) and puppet name is same (TTP), just new targets (Pakistan), facilitators (al Qaeda) and procedures are changed!
 
Thirty thousand dead. Only a fraction of them soldiers. Who killed them? The hand of death in almost all cases was Pakistani, yes? Was it terrorism that killed them or organized crime? Is there really so much of a difference? Could foreigners be at fault? If so, how?

I look at the big picture. I start from Pakistan's creation. Jinnah wanted Pakistan for Pakistanis, yes, but a big reason why he rejected a united India was because in a separate state Muslim leaders would have far more opportunity to raid the public till, without the bother of negotiating such matters with more numerous non-Muslim Indians.

The independence war was almost welcomed by the leadership of both sides. The British Indian Army was a magnificent creation; splitting it in two created fear among the two armies that their days as honorable soldiers might be numbered. As for the British Indian bureaucracy, they were looking forward to a day when they could reap all the advantages of their position without the Brits looking over their shoulders. Why would they want their fellow citizens doing the same? War was a welcome distraction.

Of course, war means death, but that's mostly for the little people. Corruption is great for those in power, and there are only two threats: domestic revolt or maybe some bigwig who takes it upon himself or herself to reform the system.

Both Pakistan and India inherited Britain's legal system. That system itself was an impediment to corruption. If it couldn't be gotten rid of, it could be made ineffective: by killing judges, subverting law enforcement, or giving it only a trickle of funding. In India this has meant years of waiting before a case reached court.

In Pakistan, the situation was worse. A winner-take-all attitude to corruption meant that the stakes were much higher. Politicians ignored democratic elections to stay in power, generals clung to their position to maintain prestige. And everybody in power did their best to keep the attention of the people away from their greed, just as the magician wants people to look at the girl rather than what his fingers are doing.

So you got repeated wars with India, until it was realized that by maintaining low-level conflict secrets could still be hidden yet more money remained in the public coffers to be stolen. People still screamed for justice, of course, but they could be suppressed - up to a point. East Pakistan broke away in 1971. Islamicization weakened the legal system further. And the Soviet-Afghan war brought in so much money, with so few questions, both from foreigners and from illicit drugs, that justice became justice for the rich, exploitation for the poor.

The Taliban thought their version of Islam was the solution. Pakistanis now are convinced that the Taliban are in the wrong.

Yet the Pakistani government isn't promising to clean things up, is it? They only promise that they aren't the Taliban. The best people can hope for, in former Taliban-ruled areas, is that the same corrupt clique will return to run their lives as before.

Without the Taliban, what can the elite do to keep the attention of the public away from their activities? Conflict with India? The creation of more enemies, like Israel?

To these people, who killed at least 300,000 (and probably over a million) in 1971 in their effort to maintain corrupt rule, and who let Swat fall temporarily to the Taliban last year, creating 250,000 refugees as a lesson, thirty thousand deaths in a decade is a mere bagatelle.

And of these people, how many have sons and daughters here, on PDF? Are they so willing to boost without question a Pakistan that their parents were loyal to because it was a vehicle of corruption hiding behind Muslim rights or Islamic rule?

:pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:

That's your flag. What I described above is much of what it means to me, as well as many Bangladeshis, Indians, and Pakistanis. If you want that to change, don't you think that changing the system that promoted the deaths of so many people is a really good place to start?
 
Its always been same, we need to understand and recognize our true enemies
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We(pakistanis) do.

Taliban is the name of our (GoP) proxy, which we (GoP) initially used against Afghanistan and India,
1)Arent u american?
2)USA armed taliban didnt it?
3)How did we use it against india?india doesnt border afghanistan and wasnt even involved on ground in afghanistan
4)Are u stupid>?YES

n
ow same name is being used against us (Pakistan). Puppet masters (ISI) and puppet name is same (TTP),
Biggest blunder and proves u a total idiot.
ISI is destabilising its own country?
2)ISI is a part of armed forces.
3)ISI is supporting Fukin ttp to kill its own people armed forces?
4)India equipment,medisine,surgerical equipment and expolsive is produced by PAK ARMY to kill its own people????


just new targets (Pakistan), facilitators (al Qaeda) and procedures are changed!

Only smart thing u said so far.Whole post of urs is Bull crap.
P.S = Get a life.
 
if USA armed taliban, it was through Paskistan and ISI, so you agreed to be party tby weighing pros and cons, so stop blaming USA for it. If USA offered for help and Taliban/ISI/Pakistan grabbed it without asking a question then how come USA can be blamed.

The terrorism in Pakistan has spread primarily because it tried to milk a tiger (Taliban) thinking it is a cow, Pakistan had plans to use Taliban for its benefit, it backfired on you, there is no one else to blame.
 
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