Thinking critically — really?

[Joe Shearer]

I don't think the Holocaust first caused the West to think critically.

I think it did. The amount of repulsive racist hatred before this ghastly genocide occurred was at its peak. From the nineteenth century through the mid-twentieth century, this racist and hate-filled division of mankind worsened; there were no ameliorative factors.

It was only when they realised what crimes against Heaven they had committed that they came to ask themselves questions about themselves.

 

[T-123456]

Doesn't it make you wonder how European countries managed to make the transition from intolerant societies to critically thinking ones?

No it doesnt,why should it,i know how they did it but it doesnt work that way in societies where the masses can be used as a weapon,where they cant or dont want to think(to much work),hierarchical societies(elders,clerics,chiefs) .
Take Germany(masses as weapon) and Japan(hierarchial) as examples,only after WWII they woke up and only by force.
I call them ''Lazy societies'',why should i think if they can do it for me,they are educated,im sure they know whats best for the country.

 

[Sinnerman108]

I think it did. The amount of repulsive racist hatred before this ghastly genocide occurred was at its peak. From the nineteenth century through the mid-twentieth century, this racist and hate-filled division of mankind worsened; there were no ameliorative factors.

It was only when they realised what crimes against Heaven they had committed that they came to ask themselves questions about themselves.

Europeans came out of darkness when they castrated the church.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Europeans came out of darkness when they castrated the church.

Good point.

But I think that was the beginning of the journey. Secondly, the dates on which different countries parted company with the Church differ widely; we can't talk of this as one unified phenomenon, and we certainly can't put the same date all over Europe. We can't even talk of the Church; which Church was this?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

The nature of man is that of one that is unquestionable to anyone, just like how man knew his destiny when he took the forbidden fruit. We all know what's in our interests as men, but do we ever capitalize on what is truly in our interests?

Man is a fickle creature that diverts from the path made of gold in favor of uncertainty. It's almost as If man's ego transcends authority, ultimately challenging it to try and rival it.

A pendulum that sweeps back and forth, but gives way to an endless cycle of doubt and seeking more from the mind that is insatiable.

Spitting at the sky results in spit in your face. This is as crude and a simplistic remark as I can make to answer a query that cannot be answered.

 

[Solomon2]

Europeans came out of darkness when they castrated the church.

Only in some places and times like Frederick the Great's Prussia. Rather, denying the Church a veto on thinking created a vacuum that was replaced by enshrining monarchs like Henry VIII, Charles V, and Louis XIV; the religious simply changed their focus.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Only in some places and times like Frederick the Great's Prussia. Rather, denying the Church a veto on thinking created a vacuum that was replaced by enshrining monarchs like Henry VIII, Charles V, and Louis XIV; the religious simply changed their focus.

Interesting point. Hope this thread is still around in the evening.

 

[Sinnerman108]

Interesting point. Hope this thread is still around in the evening.

Only in some places and times like Frederick the Great's Prussia. Rather, denying the Church a veto on thinking created a vacuum that was replaced by enshrining monarchs like Henry VIII, Charles V, and Louis XIV; the religious simply changed their focus.

There was a time when Coffee consumption was illegal, and it was termed the devil's brew.
Galileo !

I like Andrew Marr's account of world history, whereby he spends some time on this topic.

Cannot recall which of the six episodes was it.

Must watch !

 

[TMA]

Sir, Mosami (meself) ............ being a person of low intellect, hereby requests the janab (i.e. yourself) to help mosami understand, that how a piece that starts with highlighting importance and dire need of improving education standards and quality ..... ended up in criticizing personal beliefs of people and military? Is there some text written in white font that I couldn't read to link these issues together? or is it proposed to produce jackals of all trades through our education institutions?

I have an idea by the way ......... students should think critically about use of condom help society overcome the stigma and taboo part associated with its use, but will they? No matter its "accepted" use can significantly reduce the burden on our resources and help improve living standard which may in turn contribute to better education budget and which may in turn result in more healthy thinking.

Or maybe they can critically think about usury and the evils of it on society?

The writer needs a course in causality

He takes valid arguments, skews them and builds a false deduction based on them intentionally or otherwise.

What is causality?

He was not the ony one, but much credit goes to this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazzaro_Spallanzani

for starting the movement of thinking critically about everything.

Some say the first was the Devil.

 

[VCheng]

Some say the first was the Devil.

I prefer to constrain myself to facts and not beliefs.

 

[TMA]

what's the difference?

 

[Sinnerman108]

What is causality?

to some it is The science of success.

to others, it is the relationship between cause and effect, and the health of such relationships.

 

[Soumitra]

If it means submission to Sanghi goons, perhaps we should get used to it.

You lot suppressed the Sanghis for decades. It is just comeuppance.

I am cross posting from another thread

The reason for the rise of the right is that there has been a repressed Hindu Anger.

For years Hindus were forced to feel ashamed of our culture and practices. We were looked down as week. the politicians pandered to the minorities for vote bank politics.

I will give you some examples

Ayodhya, Varanasi and Mathura are 3 of the holiest sites of Hinduism Equivalent to Vatican and Jeruselum for Christians or Mecca and Medina for Muslims. In each of these sites there were grand temples which were destroyed by Mughals and Mosques built in there places. It is 70 years after Independence and in a Hindu Majority country (80% Hindu Population) no temples have been restored on these sites. In 1992 the Babri Masjid at Ayodhaya was destroyed by angry Hindus but the temple was not built. The case is still dragging through the courts. (The Supreme Court is stated to hear the final petition starting from 5th Dec this year). Only the BJP has promised to build the Ram Temple. All other so called "secular" political parties are denigrating Hindus saying why do you want a temple there?
BTW the leftists are so worried about the proposed judgement in the SC case on Ayodhaya that they are writing op-eds asking the verdict to be delayed to after 2019 when Lok Sabha elections will be over. https://scroll.in/article/853507/wh...-ayodhya-dispute-before-2019-general-election
they want to deny justice to the hindus just to prevent BJP coming to power again

India is constitutionally a Secular country, but in this Secular nation different religions have their own laws. Till just a few weeks ago a Muslim man could legally divorce his wife just by saying the word Talaq (Divorce) 3 times. It is the BJP which is pushing for a Uniform Civil Code (UCC) which means same laws for all irrespective of religion. Irony is that UCC is basis of secularism and the secular parties are opposing it tooth and nail while a so called communal party is working towards it

Jammu Kashmir is the only Muslim Majority state in India. It has got a special status under article 370 of the constitution. All Indians have right to move and settle anywhere in the country except in Jammu Kashmir where they cant settle. A law passed by the parliament is automatically applied to all states of the country except Jammu Kashmir which has to again pass the law in its assembly before it can be applied there. BJP is the only party which is working to remove this Article 370 from the constitution.

I talked about Ayodhaya and Varanasi being very important to Hindus. For the first time a PM took part in Ganga Arti in Varanasi when Modi became the PM. He was not the first Hindu PM. All PMs before him except Dr. Manmohan Singh were Hindus. But Hindus have been pressured to repress their culture and identities. Ganga Arti is a beautiful part of the Hindu Culture but no PM ever did this.

Today is the festival of Diwali. It marks the return of Lord Ram from exile back to Ayodhaya. For the first time in years there was a grand celebration of Diwali at Ayodhaya. It was possible only because BJP govt under Yogi Adityanath is in power who is not ashamed to celebrate Hindu culture and heritage. Again it is not that CMs before Yogi Adityanath were not Hindus. They were Hindus but worked overtime to suppress the Hindus and pander to the minorities.

Hundreds of Hindu activists have been killed by leftists across India. but you dont see any protests and candle light marches for them by the "Secular Liberal" crowd and instead these murders are being marginalised saying that these are just political rivalries. On the other hand you see thousands of tweets, op eds in newspapers, television news debates if a single muslim is killed. I am not saying killing Muslims is alright but why give dispropotionate focus on Muslim deaths and suppress the Hindu deaths. Arent Hindu deaths as tragic?

Now for the first time there is a BJP govt with majority on its own and they are listening to the grievances of the Hindus. This is what the "liberals" like @Joe Shearer dont like because it affects the worldview they held for 60-70 years

 

[Sinnerman108]

You lot suppressed the Sanghis for decades. It is just comeuppance.

I am cross posting from another thread

The reason for the rise of the right is that there has been a repressed Hindu Anger.

For years Hindus were forced to feel ashamed of our culture and practices. We were looked down as week. the politicians pandered to the minorities for vote bank politics.

I will give you some examples

Ayodhya, Varanasi and Mathura are 3 of the holiest sites of Hinduism Equivalent to Vatican and Jeruselum for Christians or Mecca and Medina for Muslims. In each of these sites there were grand temples which were destroyed by Mughals and Mosques built in there places. It is 70 years after Independence and in a Hindu Majority country (80% Hindu Population) no temples have been restored on these sites. In 1992 the Babri Masjid at Ayodhaya was destroyed by angry Hindus but the temple was not built. The case is still dragging through the courts. (The Supreme Court is stated to hear the final petition starting from 5th Dec this year). Only the BJP has promised to build the Ram Temple. All other so called "secular" political parties are denigrating Hindus saying why do you want a temple there?
BTW the leftists are so worried about the proposed judgement in the SC case on Ayodhaya that they are writing op-eds asking the verdict to be delayed to after 2019 when Lok Sabha elections will be over. https://scroll.in/article/853507/wh...-ayodhya-dispute-before-2019-general-election
they want to deny justice to the hindus just to prevent BJP coming to power again

India is constitutionally a Secular country, but in this Secular nation different religions have their own laws. Till just a few weeks ago a Muslim man could legally divorce his wife just by saying the word Talaq (Divorce) 3 times. It is the BJP which is pushing for a Uniform Civil Code (UCC) which means same laws for all irrespective of religion. Irony is that UCC is basis of secularism and the secular parties are opposing it tooth and nail while a so called communal party is working towards it

Jammu Kashmir is the only Muslim Majority state in India. It has got a special status under article 370 of the constitution. All Indians have right to move and settle anywhere in the country except in Jammu Kashmir where they cant settle. A law passed by the parliament is automatically applied to all states of the country except Jammu Kashmir which has to again pass the law in its assembly before it can be applied there. BJP is the only party which is working to remove this Article 370 from the constitution.

I talked about Ayodhaya and Varanasi being very important to Hindus. For the first time a PM took part in Ganga Arti in Varanasi when Modi became the PM. He was not the first Hindu PM. All PMs before him except Dr. Manmohan Singh were Hindus. But Hindus have been pressured to repress their culture and identities. Ganga Arti is a beautiful part of the Hindu Culture but no PM ever did this.

Today is the festival of Diwali. It marks the return of Lord Ram from exile back to Ayodhaya. For the first time in years there was a grand celebration of Diwali at Ayodhaya. It was possible only because BJP govt under Yogi Adityanath is in power who is not ashamed to celebrate Hindu culture and heritage. Again it is not that CMs before Yogi Adityanath were not Hindus. They were Hindus but worked overtime to suppress the Hindus and pander to the minorities.

Hundreds of Hindu activists have been killed by leftists across India. but you dont see any protests and candle light marches for them by the "Secular Liberal" crowd and instead these murders are being marginalised saying that these are just political rivalries. On the other hand you see thousands of tweets, op eds in newspapers, television news debates if a single muslim is killed. I am not saying killing Muslims is alright but why give dispropotionate focus on Muslim deaths and suppress the Hindu deaths. Arent Hindu deaths as tragic?

Now for the first time there is a BJP govt with majority on its own and they are listening to the grievances of the Hindus. This is what the "liberals" like @Joe Shearer dont like because it affects the worldview they held for 60-70 years

If indeed the grand temples were destroyed,

that would suggest, that there wasn't anyone to defend them at the time.
Which means that any local defense force was comprehensively beaten as a result of war.

However, the hindu faith still survives, and as do billion hindus.

it is also a fact, that subsequent Muslims rulers not only inculcated hindu culture, but also gave them representation
in court.

You see, these are logical inconsistencies that require a lot of hard work to fix

 

[Soumitra]

If indeed the grand temples were destroyed,

that would suggest, that there wasn't anyone to defend them at the time.
Which means that any local defense force was comprehensively beaten as a result of war.

However, the hindu faith still survives, and as do billion hindus.

it is also a fact, that subsequent Muslims rulers not only inculcated hindu culture, but also gave them representation
in court.

You see, these are logical inconsistencies that require a lot of hard work to fix

Yes that is what I am saying. At that time the local defence forces were defeated in war by the Mughal Army. After that the British ruled. But what about after independence? The "Liberals" and "Seculars" were in power and they work actively to suppress Hindus and appease the "Minority" vote bank. Why cry now when Sanghis are revolting against your ideology?