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....... As a result Indian corporations will not be able to compete on an international level with Chinese. Those Hindus/Indians with money who rule India will eventually realise this and will use their press to brain wash their masses to doing a more amenable deal with Pakistan on Kashmir. That is the reason we did not sign the Mush deal........

Seriously ? :lol:

Like it or not, common sense and past history dictates Indian position on issues with Pakistan have only hardened with passing time and not relaxed.

A good read regarding this by Tanveer Ahmed Khan is in order here, specially this single line about Indian diplomatic approach towards Pakistan

The fact is that he [Nehru] successfully outmanoeuvred Pakistani leadership in statecraft and realpolitik and pioneered an enduring diplomatic approach to Pakistan: talk from a position of strength, create and defend new ground realities, concede nothing and impose political attrition.

And I'm lol ing at the supposed Indian dependence on Pakistan for transit - Perhaps a cursory knowledge of Indian investment in Iranian North-South corridor connecting Central Asia with its seaports would suggest that the supposed Pakistani transit is not a deal breaker for India. We have lived 64 years without Pakistani transit and can survive without that.

The only deal on Kashmir an Indian Govt can offer Pakistan without committing political suicide is LoC into IB. Period.

Come on genius. Without these routes through Pakistan Indian companies transit costs will be more than Chinese. That means more expense and that means inability to compete with Chinese companies. Stop being selective in applying your mind to just matters that are self serving to your position

Compete where ? In Afghanistan ? Because that is the only place where I think Pakistani transit will make a difference.
 
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Hi,

Don't assume----what's up with all these wild tangents that you want to ride and associate me with them----.

Sir I do not assume. In your earlier posts you have referred to Chinese. The only rational inference to draw from your posts is that we live in a uni polar world. My suggestion is that if it is not a multi polar world we are moving towards one.

Good for you---you found a leader---and good for him---he got somebody to folow him----a match made in-----.

On the contrary though I would agree that IK's heart is in the right place I would not dare suggest that throwing a ball with skill qualifies him to lead the country. I do not think IK is that bright and I think our masses are expecting too much from him.

IK could prove useful if we had a hard man in the military and ISI who has good intentions could use IK has a veneer for the world of democracy.

IK should be used as a figurehead to carry out the night of the long knives. But then we have IK's ego to deal with would he prepared to be more of a puppet.

Anyway I must say that I am pleased the way things are going on with the Judiciary provided they can be consistent in the future in applying the rule of law.

Back to topic a little we need to stay well away from America imo

Seriously ? :lol:

Like it or not, common sense and past history dictates Indian position on issues with Pakistan have only hardened with passing time and not relaxed.

A good read regarding this by Tanveer Ahmed Khan is in order here, specially this single line about Indian diplomatic approach towards Pakistan



And I'm lol ing at the supposed Indian dependence on Pakistan for transit - Perhaps a cursory knowledge of Indian investment in Iranian North-South corridor connecting Central Asia with its seaports would suggest that the supposed Pakistani transit is not a deal breaker for India. We have lived 64 years without Pakistani transit and can survive without that.

The only deal on Kashmir an Indian Govt can offer Pakistan without committing political suicide is LoC into IB. Period.



Compete where ? In Afghanistan ? Because that is the only place where I think Pakistani transit will make a difference.

Though this is an open forum I think at times discretion would have been better for you not to come to this thread. Just as you have the right to make comments on this thread I will exercise my right to ignore your self serving comments.
 
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In the past few years, multiple power centers have begun to emerge slowly in Pakistan, as evidenced again this week with the historically pliant Supreme Court dismissing the Pakistani prime minister, Yousuf Reza Gilani, from office. For much of the country’s history, however, Pakistan’s military and security apparatus has wielded unchallenged domestic clout. Consequently, throughout the six decade-long U.S.-Pakistan relationship, Pakistan’s army has been the principal interlocutor with America, both because of its domestic heft and because military rulers were at the helm in periods when the United States needed Pakistan most.
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Today, Pakistan’s army is seen in the United States — especially in Congress — as an adversary, above all because it resists targeting Afghan militants who take refuge on Pakistani soil. The resentment is so deep that even American conservatives, historically pro-Pakistan, call for a strategy that punishes the country.

There are those who would advocate “containment,” a central element of which is boxing in the military by treating presumably more liberal civilians as pre-eminent partners, or even labeling specific members of the military and its spy agency, the ISI, as “terrorists.”

The premise for these views is correct: that the Pakistani military and intelligence apparatus undermines American interests in Afghanistan and keep civilians from changing Pakistan’s assertive role in Afghanistan — now exercised via the Afghan insurgents fighting U.S. and NATO forces.

Unfortunately, the proposed remedy is as misplaced as was past support for Pakistan’s military dictators, which came at the cost of the country’s democratic evolution. Those who would force changes by playing a divide-and-rule game grossly exaggerate America’s capacity to influence Pakistani politics.

American attempts to actively exploit Pakistan’s civil-military disconnect are likely to end up strengthening right-wing rhetoric in Pakistan, create even more space for security-centric policies, and further alienate the Pakistani people from the United States.

To begin with, any U.S. conceptualization of Pakistan as two Pakistans — that is, a neat division between civilian and military elites — is false and will not resonate among Pakistanis. It is wrong to assume that a majority of Pakistanis would support a U.S. policy so obviously driven to undercut the military, although there is widespread hope — even within the army — that the Pakistani political system will produce more competent politicians.

Even though a number of Pakistani mainstream political parties express their desire to curb the army’s power, few want to be seen as inviting a U.S. role to achieve this. For one thing, American trustworthiness is doubted across the political spectrum. Moreover, association with any U.S. effort would set in motion nationalistic forces aiming to discredit the political parties choosing to welcome a U.S. role and galvanize the masses to support an anti-American, pro-nationalist agenda.

An apt illustration of the sentiment among the civilian political elites was provided by the so-called Memogate scandal, in which a Pakistan ambassador to Washington was accused of eliciting U.S. support to avert a military coup in return for the promise of a number of national security concessions. Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who has been the most vocal critic of the military and ISI, petitioned the Pakistani Supreme Court to declare the alleged act treasonous, and the governing Pakistan Peoples Party also pledged that it would never endorse such a quid quo pro with Washington.

It is simply not true that Pakistani civilians see eye-to-eye with Washington on their country’s national security outlook. Pakistani civilians are as perturbed as the army at the U.S. policy toward Pakistan.

The Pakistani military’s response to a two-Pakistans approach would, more than likely, cost the United States the all-important intelligence cooperation needed to tackle global terrorist threats emanating from Pakistan, which are certain to remain well beyond the U.S.-NATO drawdown from Afghanistan.

Although Pakistan is governed poorly, the current civilian government has begun to squeeze the military’s space internally and the courts are themselves groping for a role compatible with democratic norms even though they cause instability in the short run by decisions like the one to dismiss the country’s prime minister. An American attempt to treat the Pakistani military as an enemy will only provide the institution an opportunity to turn the tables to its advantage. What, then, would be an effective policy?

Washington should view engagement with Islamabad as a long-term project. Pakistan’s nuclear weapons will be around long after Afghanistan is forgotten. As much as possible, America should work directly with the civilian leadership on all issues, including security, and lower the profile of military-to-military meetings. Washington should also make clear that the United States will not tolerate any extra-constitutional measures by the military that short-circuit the democratic process. Moreover, Washington needs to quietly encourage the spectacular progress in India-Pakistan normalization. India is what drives Pakistan; America should take advantage of its relationship with New Delhi to allow Pakistan greater space for accelerating its internal political reforms.

We must patiently try to turn Pakistan from an ally that is no friend into a state that seeks normal relations with America and its neighbors. Short cuts are unlikely to work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/opinion/america-and-the-two-pakistans.html?_r=1&hpw

Just came across this article wants to have your suggestions on the points raised by the author.
 
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Alternate to US ?

Pakistan, China and Russia
Rizwan Ghani

Stronger Sino-Russia cooperation is good news for Pakistan. Ahead of SCO heads meeting, Putin made a successful visit of China. In which three strategic decisions were made: increase existing $84 bn bilateral trade to $200bn by 2020. Expand energy and military cooperation between both countries. In Singapore, America simultaneously announced increasing its naval forces to 60 percent in Asia under US China centric Asia-Pacific policy. From India, America announced continuation of drone attacks on Pakistan on the pretext of fake terror. In a parallel move, a military think tank in China issued its first report on US security developments in the region in which it was said that US has shifted its military focus to multi-polar world from (so-called) war against terror.

It allows Pakistan to have its share in $700 bn trade corridor. The Chinese foreign minister wrote in his article on Arab-China cooperation that we should increase our trade volume, regulate trade practices, improve product mix, raise the level of trade, and make every effort to bring our trade to $ 300 billion by 2014. He called for expansion in cooperation in such areas as agriculture, health, culture, quality inspection and energy, and set up exchanges in environmental protection, desertification treatment and other fields. Pakistan has the expertise in the identified fields and huge potential to be an ideal trade and commerce partner in regional cooperation from the south and in turn benefit from $113bn northern Silk Route among SCO members. If Islamabad improves its road and rail networks it can help double the trade in the region along with its share of $50-70 bn as compared to single digit trade agreements with western allies.

Putin has outmaneuvered America on Arctic by forcing it to pivot to Asia against China. By aligning half a dozen countries against China as part of its Asia-Pacific policy, Washington has fixed itself in Asia leaving Arctic region to Russia. Beijing has also cornered Washington on its support for Philippines in South China Sea on international sea laws. Over 150 states have signed the treaty but US has refused to ratify it for the last 30 years. If Washington signs the treaty, China gets control of its territorial waters and other states will have to respect right of innocent passage of foreign vessels through their territorial waters. America will have to end its military presence in Iranian and Asian waters, block it from using naval ships as bases to wage wars under Obama doctrine of sea-air-rapid military strikes and end US Monroe Doctrine used to block other naval powers in its territorial waters. If Washington rejects the treaty, Putin gets head start in race for the Arctic.

Russia’s control of Arctic region will change energy policy in Europe and Asia. Most European states will support Russia because Europe cannot overcome 20 percent energy shortfall due to US sanctions against Iran. Russia’s energy exports to Europe will increase to 60 percent from 45 percent. Norway is already helping Russia in Svalbard and the Shtokman gas field despite fear of pollution by the environmentalists. Going by the BP’s ouster from Russia, it appears Putin will block UK from the region altogether. UK therefore will have to stand with Russia or call for end of US blockade of Iran. India will abandon US on Iran because no Indian political party can afford to ignore cheap Iranian fuel in the region. Since India opted out of Pak-Iran gas pipeline, therefore it will have to develop its own energy and trade corridors with China. Pakistan will have strategic benefits from establishment of energy links between Europe, Asia and ME through Pakistan. Pakistan can link Europe and ME. Beijing is all set for it as pointed out by the Chinese Foreign minister ideas about Arab-China strategic cooperation.

The Chinese think tank has shown that America is headed towards multipolar world in which conventional warfare and cold war strategies will resurface. Drones are being used to block Pak-China land routes, free economic zones and keep the region in constant turmoil. Both China has opened tariff free zones on old Silk Route with other CARS as part of Euro-Asia policy to facilitate common people. The border town of Khorgas in China earned $480 million in 2011 (CCTV). US policies in Pakistan are anti-public. The opening of land routes with China could allow sufficient trade but they are blocked repeatedly which forces people to depend on social welfare or leave the areas.

Pakistan is a major country in the region. Its interests cannot be ignored. Pakistan can play a more effective role if it is given advanced technology, necessary resources and cooperation. The development of Pak-China energy and trade corridors will facilitate CARS to link to rest of the world.
 
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