‘They don’t have power to negotiate!’ Trump cancels talks with Taliban after attack kills US soldier

[Musafir117]

So Uncle Tom out of “peace talk “ well, they are not in a hurry to withdrawal forces or decrease neither future of Afghanistan, that bloody land need blood and Americans don’t care much even if few drops of their own get waste.
The problem is that where Pakistan stand now? Officially we are on side of Taliban so now could we openly start support them?

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Two existing threads on the same topic:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/they...-kills-us-soldier.634706/page-4#post-11755932
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/trum...mp-david-meeting-with-taliban-leaders.634714/

 

[PradoTLC]

the Americans were never sincere about peace talks..

who cares it is their loss

 

[Pomegranate]

I just simply hope we have plan B....
The orange clown has really change everything. While he was involved till the last and quit at the last moment.
Pakistan was basing everything on this deal and no it was cancelled .
The afghan intelligence, the daily articles against the deal etc have suddenly brainwashed into what he was believeing 3 days earlier .


People Like have zero knowledge of the situation. From the day peace talks starts taliban conduct thousands of attacks and Atleast 500 people would have died.
And the government has also launched attacks killing about 100 taliban .
The fighting has been going on from both sides.
And taliban cannot stop if they are hunted by afghan forces .
Suddenly this love for 12 people in president trump is really werid . How can he lememnt the killing of 12 people when thousands more are killed .
The afghan government is busy trying to persuade him not to go and continue to feed them.
This is not going to be good for Pakistan .

Unless those 12 people were sacred, to me they were high value targets.

 

[Trango Towers]

Will someone tell these hillbillies they wont have casualties if they were not there

 

[khail007]

No surprise. Since the begining of talks it seems American were just buying time, they were never serious for peace. Peace is not in their DNA. History proves that they are savages, miscreants and butcher in nature. They only understand the language of fists and kicks and Vietnamese taught them that language very well.

 

[pakpride00090]

There was no ceasefire agreement in first place.

Secondly, Taliban will be fine with active conflict as they have been fighting for long and made the opponents to peace talks.

Thirdly, Taliban already denied US condition of minimum 5000 or 8000 troops to remain in Afghanistan. That was the point where talks ended.

Fourthly, US used to target Taliban leadership while they were going back or coming to kind of talks - extract them in open in the name of talks tactics.

Fifthly, if US fails to secure these talks, there are more interested regional powers that will dry out US in Afghanistan and that's shouldn't be a surprise.

Sixth, the deep state as well as war industrialists wouldn't let it happen like this to lose profit.

Seventh, Black Water is already interested for take over and opium producing land can't be lost without earning.

Eight, Iran or who can ignore Pakistan, can be next target and NATO needs places.

Ninth, it wasn't ever meant to be peace negotiation since start.

Tenth, wait for somedays, things will get back on track.

By the way, none will break it for one soldier.

Watch 2 mins of it and you will know the exact reason why america will never leave afghanistan.

 

[xyxmt]

why is he telling everyone if it was a secret

 

[ali_raza]

Salam,

Irrespective of what the media says, I dont think THIS attack was by the Taliban. This is not their MO.

As of now Afghan Taliban control nearly 85% of Afghanistan. US + Northern Alliance = 0. The Afghan Taliban are not in a hurry for peace,
withdrawal of foreign forces, or entertaining the drug lords in Kabul.

They are battle hardened and they will play it like they see it fit. In other words no dictation from anyone.

IMO it is NOT the US who walked away from the talks, but the other way around, the Afghan Taliban did.

This indirectly has gone in Pakistan's favor.

 

[ali_raza]

Walikum As Salam,

Irrespective of what the media says, I dont think THIS attack was by the Taliban. This is not their MO.

As of now Afghan Taliban control nearly 85% of Afghanistan. US + Northern Alliance = 0. The Afghan Taliban are not in a hurry for peace,
withdrawal of foreign forces, or entertaining the drug lords in Kabul.

They are battle hardened and they will play it like they see it fit. In other words no dictation from anyone.

IMO it is NOT the US who walked away from the talks, but the other way around, the Afghan Taliban did.

This indirectly has gone in Pakistan's favor.

 

[Verve]

Where the letter of invitation to Camp David?????

 

[ziaulislam]

It's interesting because what are going to be the next steps for US, are they going start deploying more troops or is Donal Trump going to end the war in one week... presumably killing everyone in Afghanistan...

Also it's safe to say now that F16 are surely not coming to Pak anymore....

what f16s?

 

[ziaulislam]

Lol so there goes peace talks. As feared Taliban are inherently stupid to seize any opportunity. They still bomb Kabul in the middle of peace talks.

Either so called Taliban leaders have no control over their foot soldiers who can change sides anyway. Or they are just stupid as f and want to be in state of war. If its former then its even worse, it mean this farce of peace deal will not go anywhere. Remind me of our own peace deals with TTP.



If some believe conspiracies from across the border then it would make it sound like that Pakistan is behind failed peace talks to put more pressure on US to act on IoK.

if that is true than pakistan est is stupid..
the only think we can get from USA is peace in Afghanistan, weapons and economic benefits in form of trade or AID..they cant do anything in kashmir..noone can..none could when india was small in 1990s when india conducted genocide and killed 70,000 people..things are way more favorable for india now

Only Donald Trump desire an end to American military presence in Afghanistan.

Pentagon desire a prolonged stay in Afghanistan on the other hand. Money is not an issue for Americans, they can fight for indefinite period in Afghanistan if they want to.

Problem is how long Pakistan's economy can bear the pressure of wars in Afghanistan?

Taliban are an incredibly stupid bunch.


Dude, I know much more then what I have mentioned in my post. Do you expect me to explain the history of Taliban in every post before I come to the point?

I am highlighting a mindset. Afghan Taliban and TTP diverged in their goals, but mindset is similar more or less - politically inflexible and culturally intolerant.

If you desire lasting peace, you demonstrate this resolve with your actions. But attacks demonstrate otherwise.

As I pointed out above, Taliban are an incredibly stupid bunch.

taliban states that there cant be unilateral ceasefire..expecting taliban a fragemented loose group to do unilateral cease fire is stupid..Afghanistan only solution is accepting its fault line..
divide Afghanistan into four federations units..
end presedential system..
bring tribal democracy...
and withdraw troops face wise...

 

[Wow]