The Egyptian blockade affects Gaza far more than the Israeli one. The Israeli one only blocks weapons materials reaching Gaza; other imports and exports are O.K. The Egyptian one is total.
That's true. But, quite frankly and honestly, I'm not too fond of the Egyptian blockade either, but in keeping with this thread, the Israeli blockade or the blockade at large must make people not only of the immediate region but also the international community question what is being done for a solution.
I agree with the view that some sort of screening of goods into Gaza needs to be done in order for some nut jobs to be deprived of their instruments of murder, and even from a pro-Palestinian perspective, such things only incite violence which will be disproportionately higher for the Palestinians anyway.
When Arabs stop fighting there is peace. Should Jews cease to defend themselves they would be slain. Race conflict is the Arab choice, not the Jewish one.
I disagree with that completely.
To trace the cause, you look for the origin and not the trend, the trend may agree with the above, but the origin is the opposite.
The riots in the 20's were a different story all together, the hate that Arabs had for newly emerged state of Israel is solely due to the way it was brought about, which by today's measure would be widely accepted as barbaric and wrong.
Before the first Arab Israeli conflict and during the early 20th century where Jews were migrating to Palestine, there was fear, I don't like to admit it, but there was, and any people faced with that situation would be, you can see it in the developed world, even in Israel where Africans were the targets.
The same fear that under British rule led to revolt in 1936.
Lawful Jewish settlement throughout Palestine is specifically authorized and encouraged under international law: the British Mandate. Jewish settlements are merely called illegal.
Technically 'lawful', but this was a colonial blessing, by that measure much of the crimes and genocide committed by colonial powers can be called 'lawful.
My moral compass and yours (and you know it) tell you just how lawful the mandate should be.
More like peaceful migration and land purchase. Though it began earlier, after WWI three empires were destroyed and their nationalities reorganized into nation-states, usually migrating as necessary. Jews' returning to their homeland was a necessary part; it quickly became obvious that without the Turks' protection Jews in the Middle East - especially Palestine - wouldn't remain safe.
I'm not talking about migration which again had to have been peaceful given that the Arabs were under the rule of colonial powers, what other way would it have been?
But I was talking about what happened in 1948, what you call your war of independence and the Arabs call the Nakba.
Honestly, hand on heart, can you say that the Israeli side did not commit acts which by any moral standard would be considered wrong?
It sure sounds like you don't. While Jews were pretty much booted out of Arab lands without compensation (in violation of the Treaty of Sevres and the Mandate) the Arabs who left Israel in '48 (for many Arabs did not) were part of an armed revolt, sworn to complete the genocide Hitler started.
Oh really?
You deny any wrong doing on the part of the Israeli side?
Yishuv forces were known to kill many civilians, not initial but later on in the conflict.
No one is innocent here, there were killings by Israeli forces, Yishuv and Irgun and also by Arabs and their forces.
Well, there you are wrong. I know it's a very very difficult thing for a Pakistani to accept, that collectively Pakistanis have been much more evil and terrible than most nations in the post-WWII era. Pride and ego are tall barriers preventing you from acting on this truth.
Yet imo the same illness also drives Pakistan to pieces. Refusing to acknowledge Israel as right and just translates into a general refusal to elevate individual human rights and subscribe to the rule-of-law at home. This breeds injustice, injustice leads to local revolts, local revolts lead to increased military oppression, and the process accelerates. Us Jews have seen this process destroy many Jew-hating societies over the past few milennia, yet Jews take little part in the process other than being the objects of unjustifiable hatred.
How much do you love Pakistan, Jungibaaz? Do you really want to see Pakistan continue to tear itself apart? Do you love Pakistan enough to change?
Here you go again, you can't help but skip uncomfortable subjects or just divert for the hell of it.
And I refuse to discuss it with you here, call me out to an appropriate thread and we will do it there, you're not about slyly derail this discussion.
No more off topic, consider that a verbal warning/friendly suggestion.
No insult or abuse at all? What about constructive criticism?
The latter is always welcome within limits, but the former I said because of name calling and abuse, which thankfully I deleted and no longer pollutes your computer screen.
