The US trump card against Pakistan?

[JayAtl]

With all these talks about Pakistan military and ISI threatening a drop ties with the US and CIA, many think tanks in the US, I've noticed on TV, have started discussing an option that they feel ( and I agree) gives Pakistan its worse nightmare scenario. That being-

The US to double down on India- to back up India 100% not only as an ally ( strategic) but also in Afghanistan. We know the US is never going to completely leave Afghanistan- they will have some semblance of troops there. But granting India total exclusive access in some areas and even as much as protecting its growth in Afghanistan is the worse possible outcome for the ISI and Pakistan military. After all-all this hedging of Haqquini network, support for taliban extremist played by Pakistan military and ISI- were specifically geared to keep Afghanistan out and away from Indian influence. India in their backyard deeply entrenched is a nightmare scenario for the India centric and paranoid Pakistan military.

Do you think / agree that this strategy holds some oomph! ?

 

[Hulk]

US has bigger trump cards then this, e.g. IMF loans.

 

[JayAtl]

I don't think the US has an influence on IMF loans.. height of Pak -US love fest in the 80's and the IMF still gave loans to India.

BUT having India deeply entrenched in Afghanistan is pak's worst nightmare coming true.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Actually the US has all the trumps or else none in Pakistan would allow what the US is doing to them physically as well as psychologically.

 

[HongWu]

India has finally woken up and realized that China cannot be defeated without massive casualties for India. So it readjusted to a more realistic posture -- stay neutral between a US-China conflict. This is why it rejected USA in MMRCA, the consequence is India rejected being part of "Asian NATO."

USA wanted India to join so badly that it even offered to ditch Pakistan and support India on Kashmir issue. But India realized that it would only be cannon fodder for USA in a war with Pakistan and China together. So India said "no" to the US.

Now the US is hurting very very badly and could collapse like the Soviet Union within a few years.

Beijing would be gratified to know that New Delhi has an independent regional policy toward Central Asia and has desisted from identifying with the US's ''Great Central Asia'' strategy. Equally, New Delhi remains skeptical about the prospect of a long-term NATO military presence in Afghanistan.

India's approach to engage Pakistan in dialogue, its calibrated approach to military cooperation with the US and indeed the new sense of ''cooling down'' in the Sino-Indian discords on the bilateral political and diplomatic plane following the high-level exchanges on the sidelines of the recent BRICS summit in China - these would encourage Beijing (and Moscow) to project the SCO as a vehicle for regional security in the South Asian region.

From the Pakistani perspective, too, SCO membership comes at a critical time when Islamabad is torn apart by existential angst of a kind it has never known before. Following the Raymond Davis episode, Islamabad measured up the US's extensive intelligence network within Pakistan, including with various militant groups.

Put plainly, Islamabad suspects US intentions and a transparent working relationship is not going to be easy to put in place. The US Abbottabad operation to kill Osama bin Laden has shaken Pakistan's self-confidence. US-Pakistan intelligence cooperation has ground to a halt.

The impunity with which the US violated Pakistan's territorial integrity, Obama's blunt warning that the US might repeat similar operations, Washington's utter disregard of the groundswell of Pakistani opinion, and Pakistan's own sense of helplessness to safeguard its sovereignty - these will prompt Islamabad to rethink its foreign policy options. China and Russia obviously figure in the Pakistani calculus.

At the same time, India has moved wisely by not only sharing the US's euphoria over the Abbottabad operation. New Delhi also desisted from resorting to rhetoric against Pakistan and lost no time to reiterate that dialogue with Islamabad will continue as earlier planned. There are also nuances in India's Afghan policy with a view to calming Pakistani sensitivities regarding its ties with Kabul.

These overlapping trends have quickened the tempo of regional diplomacy. The same week in which Rasoul proceeded to Beijing also saw Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari visiting Russia and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh undertaking an extraordinary two-day visit to Kabul. Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Gilani is also due in Beijing this week.

All these high-level exchanges have essentially sought to break fresh ground in regional alignments. Their leitmotif is the endgame in Afghanistan. Without doubt, regional opinion is vehemently opposed to a long-term US and NATO military presence in Afghanistan.

But the sense in the region is also that Washington will keep pressuring Kabul - just as it is doing in Baghdad - to ram through its geopolitical agenda no matter the regional opposition.

Unsurprisingly, the SCO provides the canopy beneath which regional powers are taking shelter even as the power dynamics are unfolding.

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P.S. Indians who have too much admiration for USA are acting against the interests of India itself. Real Indians should denounce these Anglo-Saxon wannabes.

 

[madooxno9]

^^ there comes the THINK TANK.....

 

[JayAtl]

India has finally woken up and realized that China cannot be defeated without massive casualties for India. So it readjusted to a more realistic posture -- stay neutral between a US-China conflict. This is why it rejected USA in MMRCA, the consequence is India rejected being part of "Asian NATO."

USA wanted India to join so badly that it even offered to ditch Pakistan and support India on Kashmir issue. But India realized that it would only be cannon fodder for USA in a war with Pakistan and China together. So India said "no" to the US.

Now the US is hurting very very badly and could collapse like the Soviet Union within a few years.

^^^ you are the poster child for removing the 1 child only policy in china. Parents need to have better odds of not being stuck with a stupid one!

 

[Peregrine]

Actually the biggest irritants for USA are the Pakistani nukes, So if we can manage to multiply their numbers i am sure that it will add a lot more to the American anxiety about Pakistani nukes and for that matter it seems highly unlikely that USA will abandon Pakistan anytime soon.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

India has finally woken up and realized that China cannot be defeated without massive casualties for India. So it readjusted to a more realistic posture -- stay neutral between a US-China conflict. This is why it rejected USA in MMRCA, the consequence is India rejected being part of "Asian NATO."

USA wanted India to join so badly that it even offered to ditch Pakistan and support India on Kashmir issue. But India realized that it would only be cannon fodder for USA in a war with Pakistan and China together. So India said "no" to the US.

Now the US is hurting very very badly and could collapse like the Soviet Union within a few years.





P.S. Indians who have too much admiration for USA are acting against the interests of India itself. Real Indians should denounce these Anglo-Saxon wannabes.

Hongwho,

MMCRA is on merits.

Too much of money involved just to smoke it away.

Opium war is over.

See reality!

 

[JayAtl]

Actually the biggest irritants for USA are the Pakistani nukes, So if we can manage to multiply their numbers i am sure that it will add a lot more to the American anxiety about Pakistani nukes and for that matter it seems highly unlikely that USA will abandon Pakistan anytime soon.

you are right, just yesterday on the Sunday morning political shows they were talking about how Pakistan is tripling up their nukes. but at the same breath they were saying , we have access and know how to take over if need be. you already have over 200 nukes. But they are not exactly a deterrent from suicide attacks and economic failures. although you could use tactical nukes on your own land as suggested by musharaff

 

[third eye]

Actually the biggest irritants for USA are the Pakistani nukes, So if we can manage to multiply their numbers i am sure that it will add a lot more to the American anxiety about Pakistani nukes and for that matter it seems highly unlikely that USA will abandon Pakistan anytime soon.

Is this how Pak would like to see itself ?

Having ' friends' who would not ' abandon' Pak because it has WMD & not coz it is a fellow responsible state who could be counted on to behave rationally ?

 

[Pioneerfirst]

True and well to the point

 

[Juice]

India has finally woken up and realized that China cannot be defeated without massive casualties for India. So it readjusted to a more realistic posture -- stay neutral between a US-China conflict. This is why it rejected USA in MMRCA, the consequence is India rejected being part of "Asian NATO."

USA wanted India to join so badly that it even offered to ditch Pakistan and support India on Kashmir issue. But India realized that it would only be cannon fodder for USA in a war with Pakistan and China together. So India said "no" to the US.

Now the US is hurting very very badly and could collapse like the Soviet Union within a few years.



Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan

P.S. Indians who have too much admiration for USA are acting against the interests of India itself. Real Indians should denounce these Anglo-Saxon wannabes.

"wannabe?" Dude..my ancestry IS Anglo-Saxon. Are you a wannabe Japanese?

 

[kamakazi attack]

i don't know what "think thank" the OP is listening to but don't think for a sec that the US just woke up yesterday and though that there are some elements with pakistani ISI and ruling circle that are cozy up with the taliban and terrorist group.

you think the US would 'double down' on India against pakistan? what do you think pakistan will do? jst sit there? u think they might start working with iran? support even more terrorist?

like i have said many time, when cornering a puppy...even a puppy can turn into a pit bull. pakistan is no puppy.

99% of the american people want to cut aid to pakistan, 99% of congress wants to cut aid... US don't make decisions based on what the 'flavor of the day' .. they think years ahead.

 

[lionheart1]

India has finally woken up and realized that China cannot be defeated without massive casualties for India. So it readjusted to a more realistic posture -- stay neutral between a US-China conflict. This is why it rejected USA in MMRCA, the consequence is India rejected being part of "Asian NATO."

USA wanted India to join so badly that it even offered to ditch Pakistan and support India on Kashmir issue. But India realized that it would only be cannon fodder for USA in a war with Pakistan and China together. So India said "no" to the US.

Now the US is hurting very very badly and could collapse like the Soviet Union within a few years.



Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan

P.S. Indians who have too much admiration for USA are acting against the interests of India itself. Real Indians should denounce these Anglo-Saxon wannabes.

then finally you woke up from nice dream .

china will be crusted if US china going to war , why no guts to take taiwan which force is stopping you from doing it . and please dont hype your capability with your junk