The US cannot afford an open conflict with Pakistan

[punit]

China has also said that a open war against Pakistan will be one against China. China has many nuclear warheads that can strike any part of the US.

it reminds of pakistani soldiers mistaking indian paratroopers landing in east pakistan as chinese during last days of war. for a change remove ur head out of sand.

Pakistan also has nuclear warheads that can strike Tel Aviv, such as the Shaheen 3 & others.

while pakistan and pakistanis are made nuke proof by Allah himself

 

[Juice]

US casualties in the battle of the bulge topped 80,000 in less than a month. Ask the Germans if we went home.

 

[mughaljee]

The US cannot afford an open conflict with Pakistan ,
They were or not now our friends.

 

[Stealth IFV]

The US cannot afford an open conflict with Pakistan ,
They were or not now our friends.

Then send back all the subsidized military equipment, and forget all the training they've given your forces, not to mention aid to your suffering in times of need. With all that taken away, you guys resemble North Korea, on a religious binge.

 

[LeGenD]

Funny, i don't see ANY logical post, just blabbering about "stone age", "bomb them", "technology", and some stupid laughing here and there..

Funny, that you think that Pakistan can handle the most powerful country in the world.

Can any one remember USSR against Afghanistan?.. read my posts again, i have clearly said...

Reality check: USA and Pakistan played a vital role in ensuring that the strategic objectives of USSR would not be met in Afghanistan.

In addition, USSR militarily performed much more poorly in comparison to US in Afghanistan.

USSR casualties:

• 15000 dead
• 469,685 wounded

US casualties:

• 1475 dead
• 11,541 wounded

Notice the difference?

Also, USSR was economically much weaker then US. Furthermore, USSR was also suffering from internal ideological crises.

By comparison, US simultaneously fought a full scale war in Iraq and also participated in UN backed operations in Libya apart from OEF in Afghanistan.

If you do NOT have the brain cells to calculate the magnitude of effects of a war where "probabilities" are so many, let me tell you about it, and any person who has knowledge of a "real" war can, uncertainty takes over the global market, bringing reserves of the country down. That is the reason USSR broke down, Afghanis didn't kill ALL of them!

Why don't you read the history of USSR first and then draw parrallels with USA?

Cold War Museum

USSR disintegrated mainly due to its significant internal problems (ideological based in particular), and very poor economic activity.

By comparison, US is internally much more stable. And US industry base is also very strong.

Thanks God, at least there are few Intelligent people sitting in US Government, they will check themselves before that, you don't believe me? Stay tunned, let me tell you clearly..

Yes, US will not open a new front until Iraq and Afghanistan are sorted out. However, this is not due to lack of capability but due to resolving existing issues. This is why responsibility of Libyan front has been handed over to NATO.

There is NOT going to be any WAR!!! If Pakistan government took a solid stand, USA will BACK DOWN.

I disagree. As long as Taliban and its affiliates are active here and US is engaged in Afghanistan, US will continue to do what it wants to do inside Pakistan.

 

[IFB]

USSR disintegrated mainly due to its significant internal problems (ideological based in particular), and very poor economic activity.

finally someone said it ... that too from .

 

[53fd]

Funny, that you think that Pakistan can handle the most powerful country in the world.

The Taliban are doing that.

USSR casualties:

• 15000 dead
• 469,685 wounded

US casualties:

• 1475 dead
• 11,541 wounded

Notice the difference?

Most figures today are extremely underreported. You can tell by the day-to-day events that are taking place, with 37 terrorist attacks just taking place on May 25. Besides, it was the Soviets & the Afghan government vs the US-Pakistan-Saudi Arabia-UK-Israel-Egypt-China-Canada supporting the Mujahideen. The number of US troops in Afghanistan is about 100,000 right now, & the Soviets were over 120,000. But the US are facing a lot more insurgents (beyond count) than what the Soviets were facing. The US has also faced tougher fighting than what the Soviets did, & made little to no progress in Afghanistan. In fact, they have made things worse in Afghanistan as the Taliban has only gotten stronger.

USSR disintegrated mainly due to its significant internal problems (ideological based in particular), and very poor economic activity.

By comparison, US is internally much more stable. And US industry base is also very strong.

I think you really need to read about the US's economic activity right now, & how the industry base of this country is collapsing, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Living here in America for the last 10 years, I have seen this country collapse economically, & is just getting worse.

 

[AAtish]

Funny, that you think that Pakistan can handle the most powerful country in the world.

Funny you mention that, cuz I have not claimed it anywhere in my posts, rather on the contrary, Please do learn to read posts for the sake of understanding and replying, not for the sake of Arguments..

Reality check: USA and Pakistan played a vital role in ensuring that the strategic objectives of USSR would not be met in Afghanistan.

Reality Check:And you think that Russia and China would want two destabilized countries in their neighbouring region with number of extremist groups wandering at will?

Hence, no chance of them letting USA Indulge itself in full-frontal war against Pakistan without dire consequences.. If US was to invade Pakistan, why not use the chance to bring it down from its “high horse”.. “Economically” weaker USA will have less chance of “dominating” the world including China and Russia as it is able to do now.. Which is exactly my point..

In addition, USSR militarily performed much more poorly in comparison to US in Afghanistan.

USSR casualties:

• 15000 dead
• 469,685 wounded

US casualties:

• 1475 dead
• 11,541 wounded

Notice the difference?

You missed the whole point my friend.. or it selective reading?.. Let me remind you, this is what followed the line, which you “selectively” chose to respond:

Pakistan cannot have a FLAGGED VICTORY, but it can drag the war so long, and can send so many "body bags" that US economy is not going to be able to sustain itself..

The point is not Pakistan’s victory, the point I mentioned was related to US and US only..

Notice the difference?

Also, USSR was economically much weaker then US. Furthermore, USSR was also suffering from internal ideological crises.

I am well aware of that, I have lived through the times when USSR-Afghan war was going on.. And if you are not aware of it, internal destabilizing of USSR was also done by “external” players.. and it took around a decade, before the start of Soviet-Afghan war..

By comparison, US simultaneously fought a full scale war in Iraq and also participated in UN backed operations in Libya apart from OEF in Afghanistan.

Why don't you read the history of USSR first and then draw parrallels with USA?

Cold War Museum

USSR disintegrated mainly due to its significant internal problems (ideological based in particular), and very poor economic activity.

By comparison, US is internally much more stable. And US industry base is also very strong.

It seems that you like to post links instead of using any logical reasoning on present facts. Okay, here I’ll use some “links” to clarify my point.. Hope you could understand them..

As I said before, these are two different ball games, US’s economic situations are different in both scenarios, I take that you have no idea what war does to the economy of a country in long run or in a broader scenario, or what WoT did to Global economy.. here is a little peak for you:

Iraq, Afghanistan and the U.S Economy

Money trail links the WoT to Global Financial crises

Hence, a change in approach by different countries, organizations, bankers and so on:

Ten Major Threats Facing the US Dollar

Notice the uncertainty?

And now US goes after Libya isn’t it? Look at the results..

Gold gains on dollar drop, oil rise, geoPolitics

Resultantly, Have a look at the growth rate of US, its going down year by year:

USA GDP Growth rate

And Obviously,

US National Debt Chart

You can see that the rash climb is from early 70s.. exactly the time when "external" factors started playing in "internal" affairs or USSR and later cold-war started coming nearer to hot-war in Afghanistan.

You can say that US has been able to sustain it far longer than USSR, but in no way you can claim that US has survived from it, or recovered from it.

The situation of Debt is so dire that It is now mathematically impossible to pay off the US National debt.

On the other hand, there hasn’t been any prominent development in “the big four” in the same period of time.. Have a look for yourself..

Pension, Health, Education, Defence

Yes, US will not open a new front until Iraq and Afghanistan are sorted out. However, this is not due to lack of capability but due to resolving existing issues. This is why responsibility of Libyan front has been handed over to NATO.

All I can say is LOL, do you think that Afghan and Iraq fronts are going to close down so easily? It would take another decade before it is taken as resolved, and yes, it IS due to lack of capability that US is not going to commit to full-frontal war with Pakistan, though not military but economic capability.

I disagree. As long as Taliban and its affiliates are active here and US is engaged in Afghanistan, US will continue to do what it wants to do inside Pakistan.

That time is passing quickly, streams of prominent political and military figures running from US to Pakistan shows who is going to dictate terms from now on if these “friendly” relations between US and Pakistan are going to carry on, anyways, you can still live in your la-la land, in short, your masters are losing Global Support big time.

As I said before, US in NOT in a condition to go in a full-frontal war against Pakistan. Too many probabilities, threat ratio is too high..

THAT is the ONLY reason there is NOT going to be any war..

Just my two cents..

 

[AAtish]

finally someone said it ... that too from .

Apparently you only understood this sentence from whole of debate.. that also because it takes claim of a winning war away from Pakistan..

Typical Indian!!!

 

[IFB]

Apparently you only understood this sentence from whole of debate.. that also because it takes claim of a winning war away from Pakistan..

Typical indian!!!

Ok you guys disintegrated russia happy now?

Typical pakistani .

 

[AAtish]

Ok you guys disintegrated russia happy now?

Typical pakistani .

Thanks for accepting the fact.. we did won the war isn't it?

 

[IFB]

Thanks for accepting the fact.. we did won the war isn't it?

Why you want assurance from me? you have made up your mind nothing i say gonna change your mind

this one is a good read

BBC - History - World Wars: Reform, Coup and Collapse: The End of the Soviet State

 

[Juice]

Thanks for accepting the fact.. we did won the war isn't it?

Pakistan didn't win a damned thing. The Afghanis did.

 

[Hammy007]

Pakistan didn't win a damned thing. The Afghanis did.

but who said we made mujahedeen and talibans

 

[Hammy007]

Pakistan didn't win a damned thing. The Afghanis did.

but who said we made mujahedeen and talibans