The US Air Force just made a huge show in the South China Sea with 3 nuclear-capable bombers

[BoQ77]

Well. Just want to share two ancient sayings.
Before forging an alliance, beware their true intention.
US will never help Vietnam. Their target is China and their intention is to use Vietnam. It's called fighting with a borrowed sword.

We know. by the way, did Vietnam allow US to use Vietnam ?

You should be shame of yourself, those thousand Vietnameses soul taken by this B-52 and you claim that the weapons aren't the killer? , if this B-52 has never been born, you think US could bomb Vietnam?

Please quoted in full, don't selective quote.

The weapons aren't killers. We care about the men who using them against us.

They are US weapons

 

[The Eagle]

The tactics of concealment plan. Push the one to the edge or poke him much that may make a wrong move hence justification. I must say, make no mistake China as this is part of all those tactics, a new chapter after another.

 

[gambit]

You should be shame of yourself, those thousand Vietnameses soul taken by this B-52 and you claim that the weapons aren't the killer? , if this B-52 has never been born, you think US could bomb Vietnam?

By that line of reasoning, Viet Nam should not be friend with China considering throughout history, more Vietnamese died at the hands of China than from the US.

 

[Kyle Sun]

By that line of reasoning, Viet Nam should not be friend with China considering throughout history, more Vietnamese died at the hands of China than from the US.

so. what? That. makes. you. a. better. killer?

 

[gambit]

Of course they have flown missions against Saddam's third class armed forces. It's as good as not flying any mission at all, don't you think so? These Yankees and their indian poodles on this forum are world class morons, they think China is Iraq. It's amazing!

What is amazing is that you think we do think China is Iraq.

For starter, China is in Asia and Iraq is in the ME.

It is even more amazing that you think the US military of today is the same as the US military of Desert Storm. News for you, son, we are at least 10 times more deadly and agile. It will China who will be shocked and awed.

Hard Facts? Where? When you say i this, i that, these are not facts rather ramblings of a delusional old fool. Tell me something when was the last time US went against a country the size of China and with almost equal number of resources to field?

You should turn that question around: When was the last time China faced a country equal her size ?

Except against US, China will not be facing an opponent her equal but superior in every ways except manpower. But your comment reveals your lack of critical thinking skills. If there is going to be a shooting conflict between US and China, it will be on the water and this is where China's land mass is useless. At sea, it is ship against ship. In the air, it is aircraft against aircraft. So when was the last time the PLAN and the PLAAF fought anybody ?

You want to see delusional ? Go look in the mirror.

 

[T-Rex]

What is amazing is that you think we do think China is Iraq.

For starter, China is in Asia and Iraq is in the ME.

That's all the difference you see, it's amazing! Go ahead, underestimate China at your own peril. You can afford to be reckless because you won't be running with your pants down, your GI Joes will.

It is even more amazing that you think the US military of today is the same as the US military of Desert Storm. News for you, son, we are at least 10 times more deadly and agile. It will China who will be shocked and awed.

And what about China today, is she ten times weaker than she was during the Korean War?

You should turn that question around: When was the last time China faced a country equal her size ?

During the Korean War China faced an enemy way stronger than her yet the outcome was quite dismal for her opponents.

Except against US, China will not be facing an opponent her equal but superior in every ways except manpower. But your comment reveals your lack of critical thinking skills. If there is going to be a shooting conflict between US and China, it will be on the water and this is where China's land mass is useless. At sea, it is ship against ship. In the air, it is aircraft against aircraft.

You have a valid point there and I'm sure our Chinese friends have taken into account this fact. It's just that not everything can be divulged to you at this moment. So, you'll have to wait till the US forces summon up the courage to strike.

 

[bolo]

In same time, 1972,I do remember this too.

since you remember 1971 you must have reached old age. you need to act more like your age and show more understanding of geopolitics.

 

[IceCold]

You should turn that question around: When was the last time China faced a country equal her size ?

So Mr Professional instead of coming up with an answer you came up with a question. I take it you had no answer to that because in fact US hasn't fought anyone in the league of what China is today not after WW 2 anyway if we bring that into consideration for argument sake but even that was not alone but with allies versus Germany and Japan. The Chinese on the other hand fought with you guys when they were in fact nothing. I can bring in Vietnam as well but than you already know the history owning to your past if you did not forget.

Except against US, China will not be facing an opponent her equal but superior in every ways except manpower. But your comment reveals your lack of critical thinking skills. If there is going to be a shooting conflict between US and China, it will be on the water and this is where China's land mass is useless. At sea, it is ship against ship. In the air, it is aircraft against aircraft. So when was the last time the PLAN and the PLAAF fought anybody ?

You want to see delusional ? Go look in the mirror.

My comments revealed exactly what they were suppose too and that is till the time US musters up the courage to actually attack, "we got this we got that" is nothing but BS. Let me ask you this what happened to the superior US fire power in Crimea? Russia just annexed it right from Ukraine while Uncle SAM with all those fancy toys and that Memorandum of security assistance you had with them which now by the way is not worth the paper it was written upon. Ukraine must be cursing the day it gave up all those nuclear weapons for this shitty treaty. What a demonstration of superior everything my ***.
By the way this was Russia who did that and not what it use to be the old Soviet Union and here you except us to believe that US can take on modern China and actually win? You have really gone delusional in your old days.
Now go and wash your face before your embarrass yourself even more with this crap.

 

[xunzi]

I love this game of chicken.

 

[gambit]

That's all the difference you see, it's amazing! Go ahead, underestimate China at your own peril.

After Saddam Hussein was removed from power back in '03, we interviewed many of the Iraqi Army's top leadership, active duty and retired. We wondered what happened in Desert Storm a decade earlier. Not about the Iraqi Army itself, but about that army's leadership, specifically its psyche.

Essentially, the world contributed to Saddam Hussein's underestimation of US. Much focus were on the combat experience of the Iraqi Army during its war against Iran. Soviet arms were played up. Nationalism emphasized. And many other factors. Saddam Hussein and his generals believed the media of the major countries in the world, including analyses from foreign governments such as the Soviets and China, disseminated thru state owned media, that the Iraqi Army could inflict serious damages to the US military that the US could even plea for a stalemate diplomatic solution. US experience in Viet Nam was used as foundation to critically analyzed the US military for its pending fight against the recently combat hardened Iraqi Army. The bottom line, according to the PLA to the Chinese Politburo, was that the Americans would suffer Vietnam-like casualties.

That is 'exactly' what happened, no ?

But 'they' were so sure. The 'they' being the talking head experts and opinionators that the media trotted out, from retired civilian and military figures. They had charts backed up by yrs of their own experience in best seller memoirs in their own countries that the US was 'entering another Vietnam'. The US had no one in Iraq who knew the country and the people. American soldiers did not know the fanaticism of the Iraqi soldiers. US soldiers were visitors while the Iraqis were the home team favorites. The Iraqis know the terrain and even the air. The 'experts' were so certain that the US was 'entering another Vietnam'.

It is amazing that people in various corners of the Internet would think that the US would fight China like how we did in Iraq. It is amazing that people would think that the US military, once again, would amass troops in nearby allied countries and execute a land invasion of mainland China. They criticized the US military for our 'rigid' mentality without realizing their own truly rigid thinking that the US would fight China the same way we did in Iraq. This is why for the few American military veterans on this forum, we are genuinely baffled.

Personally, I really did thought that Desert Storm was final lesson in underestimating one's potential foe. We did not make that mistake then and I am absolute in my conviction that we will not make that mistake regarding China. I am not talking about the various quotes from generals, retired and active duty, that pointed out the many positive attributes of the Chinese PLA, after all, we went thru it in Desert Storm. I am talking about the nearly inconceivable behind the scenes work currently ongoing by the US military in conceptually taking the PLA apart. You people are making the same mistake about US as when you did back then.

It will not be our peril but yours that are at stake.

 

[maximuswarrior]

The Americans are living in fantasy land. Flying a couple of bombers is a waste of time. Such childish behavior won't make an iota of difference to China. China will continue to build the islands. The US cannot afford to piss off China. The US already has enough problems as it is and cannot win the wars it started decades ago. A bunch of militias are ruling the roost in the Middle East and the Americans cannot scrape together a proper coalition. The Americans cannot possibly start another front when its creation ISIS is calling the shots.

 

[cochine]

since you remember 1971 you must have reached old age. you need to act more like your age and show more understanding of geopolitics.

It is dated more earlier, it was from 1968, how can we do understand China's geopolitics ? was it called " ping pong " policy of China ?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

By that line of reasoning, Viet Nam should not be friend with China considering throughout history, more Vietnamese died at the hands of China than from the US.

You're completely wrong, we might be assertive in ancient time against Vietnam but we has never performed genocide otherwise you guys would have been gone long time ago as Native Americans, only tiny faction of political fan such you and other will not be friend with China, in the normal life, Chinese and Vietnamese are like fish to the water, we live together and form collectivism to bring us prosperity, you can simply go to China town and witness that, Vietnamese sell Pho while we sell other stuffs such commodities,

The only people that Chinese marginalize is Japanese you wont see much of Chinese and Japanese community live together especially in China town.

 

[BoQ77]

Calm down guys.

American deploys anything in their Guam territory without need of anyone else welcome.

They have been doing that and patrol the international airspace and water for over a half of a century.

I found no reason to blame Vietnam or Philippines for that activity of US.

You're completely wrong, we might be assertive in ancient time against Vietnam but we has never performed genocide otherwise you guys would have been gone long time ago as Native Americans, only tiny faction of political fan such you and other will not be friend with China, in the normal life, Chinese and Vietnamese are like fish to the water, we live together and form collectivism to bring us prosperity, you can simply go to China town and witness that, Vietnamese sell Pho while we sell other stuffs such commodities,

The only people that Chinese marginalize is Japanese you wont see much of Chinese and Japanese community live together especially in China town.

Chinese always open a talk with me in Chinese. Maybe I look like a Chinese? A Western old man in Bangkok insist that I must have China gene, and extreme surprise when heard that I am pure Vietnamese.
My Korean ex-boss also said the same.

I am in doubt right now.

 

[gambit]

My comments revealed exactly what they were suppose too and that is till the time US musters up the courage to actually attack, "we got this we got that" is nothing but BS. Let me ask you this what happened to the superior US fire power in Crimea? Russia just annexed it right from Ukraine while Uncle SAM with all those fancy toys and that Memorandum of security assistance you had with them which now by the way is not worth the paper it was written upon. Ukraine must be cursing the day it gave up all those nuclear weapons for this shitty treaty. What a demonstration of superior everything my ***.
By the way this was Russia who did that and not what it use to be the old Soviet Union and here you except us to believe that US can take on modern China and actually win? You have really gone delusional in your old days.
Now go and wash your face before your embarrass yourself even more with this crap.

Political will have nothing to do with military capability. Too bad you ain't gots the brains to see that.