The United States Faces Irreparable Damage in a Cold or Hot Conventional War with China and its Alli

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

data counts, speed of data! If Chinese are both able to glean information and disburse it faster, they can own the battlefield. Which is why 5G, 6G and AI matter in future conflicts.

 

[Cherub786]

Their are sacrifices every nation makes for the peace and security for the future of its citizens, it’s pointless pointing and saying the massacre happened due to him look at Gujarat their was no partition and Modi fried Muslims there. I’ve lost family members during partition and fighting wars and none have any regrets. My grandmother always said if she had more sons she would have sacrificed more for this soil we are on.

Tara Singh is the one who instigated Sikhs to start the massacres and was played by Nehru in the end.

Well this is my point, if Qaid-e-Azam was helpless to stop massacre of Muslims during partition (because he is not God, he was just a mortal human), then why do you hold Owaisi to a different standard? Owaisi is a great Muslim politician. He speaks up for Muslims, its his voice and his politics that matters. How do you expect him to prevent lynchings in various parts of the country. He is laying the foundation for AIMIM which will, in sha Allah, because a great organization for Indian Muslims that will unite them and make them stronger. But you are calling him a clown. I'm very disappointed in your attitude.

 

[PakFactor]

Well this is my point, if Qaid-e-Azam was helpless to stop massacre of Muslims during partition (because he is not God, he was just a mortal human), then why do you hold Owaisi to a different standard? Owaisi is a great Muslim politician. He speaks up for Muslims, its his voice and his politics that matters. How do you expect him to prevent lynchings in various parts of the country. He is laying the foundation for AIMIM which will, in sha Allah, because a great organization for Indian Muslims that will unite them and make them stronger. But you are calling him a clown. I'm very disappointed in your attitude.

Difference is one was a split from a larger body with separate identities established. The other is lynching of ones own homogeneous population with an established identity. Till this day Indian Muslims aren’t accepted. The Hindus view Islam as a disease/virus that was imposed upon them, and the Muslim rule they’ve had for 100s of years is painful for them. They want revenge.

You can spend another 70 years appeasing the Hindus but you’ll never be accepted.

What you have to learn is what Jinnah saw. He realized the power disparity between Hindus and Muslims, and how more was given to Hindus (higher offices of power, control of arms), Muslims were being left to the wolves.

I don’t know much about you or your background, but I have a feeling your having an identity crisis and trying to reconcile both sides but it’s not possible.

 

[PakFactor]

Inshallah we’ll speak more tomorrow as it’s late in the US and have to work in the morning you can profile post me and @LeGenD and we can discuss further if you like.

 

[Cherub786]

Difference is one was a split from a larger body with separate identities established. The other is lynching of ones own homogeneous population with an established identity. Till this day Indian Muslims aren’t accepted. The Hindus view Islam as a disease/virus that was imposed upon them, and the Muslim rule they’ve had for 100s of years is painful for them. They want revenge.

You can spend another 70 years appeasing the Hindus but you’ll never be accepted.

What you have to learn is what Jinnah saw. He realized the power disparity between Hindus and Muslims, and how more was given to Hindus (higher offices of power, control of arms), Muslims were being left to the wolves.

I don’t know much about you or your background, but I have a feeling your having an identity crisis and trying to reconcile both sides but it’s not possible.

And just how, exactly, is Owaisi responsible for the hostile Hindu attitude to Muslims? Are you implying that Owaisi is appeasing Hindus, because I assure you, he is doing nothing of the sort. Why else do the Hindus hate him so passionately?

Since you are a critic of Owaisi and consider him a "clown", what then, pray tell, do you suggest Indian Muslims do? Who should they support instead? What should their policy be?

I myself am of Pakistani background, but I admire Owaisi for his amazing and inspiring leadership. AIMIM truly reflects the original spirit of the Muslim League of the 1940s. Owaisi is the true successor of Jinnah, not these donkeys like Nawaz Sharif, Imran Khan, Zardari, Bhutto, etc.

 

[LeGenD]

Inshallah we’ll speak more tomorrow as it’s late in the US and have to work in the morning you can profile post me and @LeGenD and we can discuss further if you like.

Sure, bro.

Take your time.

 

[Dalit]

Respectfully, I strongly disagree with this analysis. The great United States has the moral backing and support of the vast majority of humanity. I am a Pakistani Muslim. My ancestral country has made the blunder of becoming a close ally of Beijing. But the ordinary people of Pakistan are highly suspicious of China, and their very DNA makes them contemptuous of Chinese culture and motives. They will surely resist any attempt by China to enforce its toxic culture and its impractical language on Pakistan. More than this, the people of Pakistan are beginning to wake up to China's ambition of political and economic colonization of their country, through cunning schemes like CPEC. Pakistan's middle class and business community in particular is more or less aware of the threat posed by China.
The whole world's attitude has been consolidated against China with this Covid-19 outbreak that originated in China due to contemptuous Chinese dietary habits. Thus, the great United States has the considerable advantage of moral support and sympathy from the vast majority of humanity in this new Cold War. Additionally, the United States has consolidated its militarily and economically powerful allies in the Pacific, and has managed to consolidate a new, crucial ally in India too. China is nearly surrounded and doesn't stand a chance if actual war breaks out. And rather than learning from their mistakes and engaging in damage control, the arrogant Communist government and the pompous fool Xi Jinping continue to antagonize Hong Kong and the Uighurs. China doesn't realize that in this new Cold War they will meet the same fate as the Soviets before them. Authoritarianism and censorship can never overcome the spirit of freedom that America represents and inspires in the rest of the world.

You are obviously wrong and you have an agenda. The vast majority of ordinary Pakistanis fully back China. That is clear as daylight. Pakistanis hold a very favorable view of China versus the US. There is no two ways about it.

China never backstabbed Pakistan. The day the US chose India over Pakistan it became very clear to the majority of Pakistanis that the US has devious intentions.

The US had made many blunders against Pakistan, but the two that stand out and are irreparable are Salala and the intent to turn Pakistan into an Indian colony. US deep state wants to unapologetically transform Pakistan into an Indian colony for various reasons. It wants India to dominate the region at the expense of China and Pakistan.

The US is paying in full coin. Mistrust against the US among Pakistanis from all ranks is extreme to say the least. The US has no friend in Pakistan anymore. This is irreversible. Pakistan sacrificied tens of thousands of lives and in return it got American accusations. The US deep state was always focused on exploiting and disposing Pakistan. Pakistan cannot be disposed. It is geographically and politically an important player.

The US Pakistan relations are going to be lukewarm and transactional at best. We will only reach out to each other at critical moments. That too when Pakistan believes its interests are not being undermined. The US has already made up its mind. It will ally with Hindustan to counter China. Pakistan will make sure that its relationship with China continues to flourish to new heights.

The few criticisers like you are a very fringe minority. You like to believe and impose your views. There is no respect for the US in the world today. You are wrongfully and consciously trying to peddle a lie.

 

[Cherub786]

You are obviously wrong and you have an agenda. The vast majority of ordinary Pakistanis fully back China. There is no two ways about it.

China never backstabbed Pakistan. The day the US chose India over Pakistan it became clear that the US had devious intentions.

The US had made many blunders against Pakistan, but the two that stand out and are irreparable are Salala and the intent to turn Pakistan into an Indian colony.

The US is paying in full coin. It has no friend in Pakistan anymore. This is irreversible.

With all due respect, I strongly disagree because I was recently in Pakistan, Rawalpindi to be exact. Once I was strolling through town and I came across a Chinese merchant selling jewelry on the side the street. People were looking at him very suspiciously, and I even recall one gentleman whispering into his friend's ear وہ دیکھو، یہ لوگ یہاں بھی پہنچ گۓ
So what has made ordinary Pakistanis suspicious of the Chinese entry into our country is the knowledge of how the Chinese exploited Africa and are indebting poor and weak nations, trapping them in their web of lies and deceit. So many CPEC projects and how China is controlling everything is beyond government review and supervision. It's all hush hush, because the Chinese don't want any oversight. Their ultimate aim is to transform Pakistan into a satellite state where they will be the sole kingmaker and dictate Pakistan's foreign as well as domestic policy. A very frightening prospect indeed.

 

[Dalit]

With all due respect, I strongly disagree because I was recently in Pakistan, Rawalpindi to be exact. Once I was strolling through town and I came across a Chinese merchant selling jewelry on the side the street. People were looking at him very suspiciously, and I even recall one gentleman whispering into his friend's ear وہ دیکھو، یہ لوگ یہاں بھی پہنچ گۓ
So what has made ordinary Pakistanis suspicious of the Chinese entry into our country is the knowledge of how the Chinese exploited Africa and are indebting poor and weak nations, trapping them in their web of lies and deceit. So many CPEC projects and how China is controlling everything is beyond government review and supervision. It's all hush hush, because the Chinese don't want any oversight. Their ultimate aim is to transform Pakistan into a satellite state where they will be the sole kingmaker and dictate Pakistan's foreign as well as domestic policy. A very frightening prospect indeed.

You have Canadian flags. You are not even a Pakistani expat. You know nothing about Pakistan. Just because you visited Pakistan once in your life doesn't make you a Pakistan expert. Just because one guy whispered in your ear doesn't mean that 200 million Pakistanis are opposed to China.

China Pakistan relations are in the best shape possible. The people of Pakistan massively approve of this relationship. China came in with a win win strategy. China wants to reap benefits and also share prosperity with its neighbors. The US and its Western lackeys want to exploit the developing world like they have always been doing. The harder you try to convince the developing world to ditch China the more humiliation you are going to face. You should learn from UN votes where the world stands today.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

It does not really matters as China will marches towards its goal fulfilling its national dream minus USA, the disrupter, the unreliable trade partner and the double talker.
USA will regrets its move today. It is very shortsighted and lacks wisdom or vision.
USA is an open society with a closed mind while China is a closed society with an open mind.
China has absolutely nothing to lose.
Chinese works very hard to manufacture those proproducts which they exchanged with USA with its fiat US dollar currency printed out of nothing. Time for the world to wake up.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Respectfully, I strongly disagree with this analysis. The great United States has the moral backing and support of the vast majority of humanity. I am a Pakistani Muslim. My ancestral country has made the blunder of becoming a close ally of Beijing. But the ordinary people of Pakistan are highly suspicious of China, and their very DNA makes them contemptuous of Chinese culture and motives. They will surely resist any attempt by China to enforce its toxic culture and its impractical language on Pakistan. More than this, the people of Pakistan are beginning to wake up to China's ambition of political and economic colonization of their country, through cunning schemes like CPEC. Pakistan's middle class and business community in particular is more or less aware of the threat posed by China.
The whole world's attitude has been consolidated against China with this Covid-19 outbreak that originated in China due to contemptuous Chinese dietary habits. Thus, the great United States has the considerable advantage of moral support and sympathy from the vast majority of humanity in this new Cold War. Additionally, the United States has consolidated its militarily and economically powerful allies in the Pacific, and has managed to consolidate a new, crucial ally in India too. China is nearly surrounded and doesn't stand a chance if actual war breaks out. And rather than learning from their mistakes and engaging in damage control, the arrogant Communist government and the pompous fool Xi Jinping continue to antagonize Hong Kong and the Uighurs. China doesn't realize that in this new Cold War they will meet the same fate as the Soviets before them. Authoritarianism and censorship can never overcome the spirit of freedom that America represents and inspires in the rest of the world.

What's your Indian troll# in the RAW roster?

 

[Dalit]

What's your Indian troll# in the RAW roster?

LOL he is most likely an Indian. The begging is sweet though.

LOL at Pakistanis don't trust China.

 

[Dalit]

It is against forum rules to accuse this stuff so openly against a mod...and to extend the assertion further as Anti-Pakistan even.

I would suggest mod team keep an eye on this, this brazen behaviour does not come out of thin air.

@waz @SQ8 @AgNoStiC MuSliM

It is against the forum rules to pretend that you are a Canadian when in reality you are something else.

 

[doorstar]

It is against forum rules to accuse this stuff so openly against a mod...and to extend the assertion further as Anti-Pakistan even.

I would suggest mod team keep an eye on this, this brazen behaviour does not come out of thin air.

@waz @SQ8 @AgNoStiC MuSliM

shall I recount the number of times you have denigrated/disparaged PDF, its members and staff? admittedly not so directly and honestly but in long convoluted diatribes in joe ungraij style that not everyone can understand or bother to read

 

[Nilgiri]

shall I recount the number of times you have denigrated/disparaged PDF, its members and staff? admittedly not so directly and honestly but in long convoluted diatribes in joe ungraij style that not everyone can understand or bother to read

That can be done for just about any member of note here....including yourself.

You are free to take it to GHQ if you have a problem where you will be shown the same answer as before.

I am referring to direct reply to the mod in this open direct way...it is a clear rule violation.