The United States Faces Irreparable Damage in a Cold or Hot Conventional War with China and its Alli

[Cherub786]

No superpower is trustworthy - each care about its own interests and would benefit from creating division among others. Classic Divide and Rule principle.

That goes without staying. I'm not so naive as to think superpowers act solely out of moral compunctions, they primarily act out of self-interest. My point is, the policies and activity of the US on the world stage, though motivated by self-interest, happen to coincide with truth and justice, and the Muslim world should favor the US over its rivals Russia and China. The US has a history of favoring Muslims, as it did in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion, Bosnia and Kosovo during the 1990s, its liberation of Kuwait, its liberation of Iraq in 2003, and both its moral and material support to the Chechens in Russia and now the Uighurs in China. On the other hand, the attitude of rival superpowers Russia and China is one of venomous hostility to Islam and Muslims.
So I would like to draw a parallel between America as a modern-day Cyrus the Great and his Persian empire which overcame its evil rival, the neo-Babylonian empire in the 6th century BCE. And there is another parallel which you might appreciate, America as the Eastern Roman empire which clashed with the evil Persian empire in the early 7th century CE. Even the Quran bears witness to the fact that the Believers preferred one empire over the other, and celebrated the Roman victory over Persia, although both superpowers of the time were motivated purely by self-interest.

The truth is, my friend, we Muslims will always be caught in the middle between rival superpowers. It is my understanding based on history and the holy Quran that we can side with one against the other, obviously we side with that superpower which is overall more favorable and beneficial to our own interests and values. Today, that means we tilt toward the great United States.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

These are developments of the current century.

By the SEATO was the previous one that I was talking about.

 

[LeGenD]

I'm talking about cost of deployments.

Armed forces are allotted budget to do their job.

Same is true in the case of Pakistan.

By the SEATO was the previous one that I was talking about.

China and USA were actually allies of convenience against USSR in the previous COLD WAR.

And you certainly know what happened in Afghanistan when USSR invaded this country.

Alliances deliver under the right circumstances.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

Armed forces are allotted budget to do their job.

Same is true in the case of Pakistan.

They never had to actively deploy on LAC in the last 40 odd years. Khair, I'm not going to further argue about this point. It's clear as day that the deployments in SCS and LAC will cost them more than usual.

 

[LeGenD]

They never had to actively deploy on LAC in the last 40 odd years. Khair, I'm not going to further argue about this point. It's clear as day that the deployments in SCS and LAC will cost them more than usual.

India cannot fight China alone - isn't this obvious?

QUAD on the other hand.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

Armed forces are allotted budget to do their job.

Same is true in the case of Pakistan.


China and USA were actually allies of convenience against USSR in the previous COLD WAR.

And you certainly know what happened in Afghanistan when USSR invaded this country.

Alliances deliver under the right circumstances.

Sir! SEATO was a failure and wasn't the cause of USSR's defeat.

 

[LeGenD]

Sir! SEATO was a failure and wasn't the cause of USSR's defeat.

SEATO delivered in Afghanistan in the 1980s - limited objective it may be.

How USSR fell is another story.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

India cannot fight China alone - isn't this obvious?

QUAD on the other hand.

It will be good for Pakistan if India gets involved in SCS. Let's just see if AUS and Japan deliver for US...

 

[LeGenD]

It will be good for Pakistan if India gets involved in SCS. Let's just see if AUS and Japan deliver for US...

Bro,

Australia and Japan are SOLID allies of USA - do not underestimate their resolve. WE aren't the only ones with courage.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

That goes without staying. I'm not so naive as to think superpowers act solely out of moral compunctions, they primarily act out of self-interest. My point is, the policies and activity of the US on the world stage, though motivated by self-interest, happen to coincide with truth and justice, and the Muslim world should favor the US over its rivals Russia and China. The US has a history of favoring Muslims, as it did in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion, Bosnia and Kosovo during the 1990s, its liberation of Kuwait, its liberation of Iraq in 2003, and both its moral and material support to the Chechens in Russia and now the Uighurs in China. On the other hand, the attitude of rival superpowers Russia and China is one of venomous hostility to Islam and Muslims.
So I would like to draw a parallel between America as a modern-day Cyrus the Great and his Persian empire which overcame its evil rival, the neo-Babylonian empire in the 6th century BCE. And there is another parallel which you might appreciate, America as the Eastern Roman empire which clashed with the evil Persian empire in the early 7th century CE. Even the Quran bears witness to the fact that the Believers preferred one empire over the other, and celebrated the Roman victory over Persia, although both superpowers of the time were motivated purely by self-interest.

The truth is, my friend, we Muslims will always be caught in the middle between rival superpowers. It is my understanding based on history and the holy Quran that we can side with one against the other, obviously we side with that superpower which is overall more favorable and beneficial to our own interests and values. Today, that means we tilt toward the great United States.

Yep the west should continue favoring your kind with drone strikes and wars, discriminating against you, banning your clothes, banning sharia law, looting your gold and shooting up your religious buildings. They really love you!

And you have the audacity to worship them almost as if they were on par with Allah himself.

 

[Pappa Alpha]

Bro,

Australia and Japan are SOLID allies of USA - do not underestimate their resolve. WE aren't the only ones with courage.

By the way S Korea is also considered a very good US ally but recent news suggest that it is now charting an independent China policy.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/korea-watch/south-korea-charting-independent-course-china-165661

Quite interesting

 

[Cherub786]

Yep the west should continue favoring your kind with drone strikes and wars, discriminating against you, banning your clothes, banning sharia law, looting your gold and shooting up your religious buildings. They really love you!

And you have the audacity to worship them almost as if they were on par with Allah himself.

I assume you are a Chinese person, and so I feel you cannot actually be "Fair and Unbiased" despite your pretentious username, especially on this subject.

The truth is, you haven't actually cited any concrete facts apart from vague generalized accusations. I am by no means arguing that the United States is an innocent little Angel, they clearly aren't. But on the grand scheme of things they are quite evidently a zillion times superior to the present Communist, authoritarian regime of China. Keep in mind, my analysis is more or less from a Muslim perspective, because, to be quite honest, my primary concern is for my own community and our interests. China poses a lethal danger to us Muslims, which is why I will naturally ally myself with the great United States.

 

[Rollno21]

Yep the west should continue favoring your kind with drone strikes and wars, discriminating against you, banning your clothes, banning sharia law, looting your gold and shooting up your religious buildings. They really love you!

And you have the audacity to worship them almost as if they were on par with Allah himself.

What he meant was ,there are no reeducation camps for Muslims in the west,or forcing them to not follow their beliefs.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I assume you are a Chinese person, and so I feel you cannot actually be "Fair and Unbiased" despite your pretentious username, especially on this subject.

The truth is, you haven't actually cited any concrete facts apart from vague generalized accusations.

every assertion was backed by a link to news items. thanks. you're in denial.

 

[LeGenD]

By the way S Korea is also considered a very good US ally but recent news suggest that it is now charting an independent China policy.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/korea-watch/south-korea-charting-independent-course-china-165661

Quite interesting

Different countries have different priorities.

Japan and Australia are in QUAD, South Korea is not. Difference is obvious.

QUAD = counter China in the Pacific and Arabian waters, if need be.