The U.S. Is About to Do Something Big on Hong Kong

[Cthulhu]

The U.S. Is About to Do Something Big on Hong Kong

Protests there have demonstrated the enduring appeal of American values and power. But can Washington live up to that promise?

URI FRIEDMAN AND TIMOTHY MCLAUGHLIN SEP 15, 2019

Protesters in Hong Kong march to the U.S. Consulate.ANUSHREE FADNAVIS / REUTERS)

Hong Kong’s pro-democracy protest movement, the David to China’s Goliath, is calling out to the land of the free for help—and help may be on the way. The question is whether it will be substantial enough and fast enough, and have the support of the president of the United States.


For months now, a small but zealous contingent of American flag-waving protesters has been a fixture of the huge demonstrations in Hong Kong, including today, when dozens of people again carried the U.S. flag during a rally held in defiance of a police ban. As the struggle to resist China’s tightening grip on the semiautonomous region has intensified, protesters have appealed to the United States in larger numbers and with greater urgency. Last weekend, tens of thousands of protesters marched near the U.S. consulate in the territory, singing “The Star-Spangled Banner” and carrying signs that urged President Donald Trump to “liberate Hong Kong.” Perhaps more realistically, they also issued a practical plea: for Congress to pass the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, which would grant the United States further means to defend the territory’s freedoms and autonomy.


Faced with Trump’s scattershot approach to the ferment in Hong Kong, which doesn’t rank as a high-priority issue for his administration, activists are placing their faith in legislation that ultimately will only be as effective as the executive branch’s willingness to implement it.

Nevertheless, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, one of the sponsors of the bill in the Senate, is optimistic that the U.S. government will deliver on its promise. That scene near the consulate a week ago was a vivid reminder that America is still a potent “symbol of democracy and freedom” around the world, he told The Atlantic. The protesters “see a country where people vehemently disagree on public policy and say horrible things about each other, but no one goes to jail for it,” he noted.

By contrast, this past week, Hong Kong police announced that they’ve arrested nearly 1,400 people between the ages of 12 and 76 since the protests erupted this spring over proposed legislation that would have enabled suspected criminals to be extradited to the lawless judicial jungle of mainland China. Carrie Lam, the Beijing-appointed chief executive of Hong Kong, has since pledged to withdraw the law—an astounding victory for leaderless protesters going up against a powerful authoritarian state, but one that has yet to placate activists.


Read: Hong Kong shows the flaws in China’s zero-sum worldview

Rubio said he expects the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act to easily pass in Congress and be signed into law by the president. The legislation, which has bipartisan support in the Senate and the House of Representatives, has emerged as the primary vehicle through which the U.S. government is hoping to deter China from carrying out a Tiananmen Square–like crackdown against peaceful protesters and pressure it into upholding the city’s special status within China. (So far Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, whose wife’s family has extensive business dealings in China, hasn’t specifically endorsed the legislation, even as he’s advocated for legislative measures to preserve Hong Kong’s autonomy. A spokesperson for Rubio, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss deliberations in the Senate, said the senator’s office did not view McConnell’s failure to reference the act in a recent op-ed on Hong Kong as a slight.)


Among other things, the bill would require the secretary of state to annually certify to Congress that Hong Kong, which operates its own immigration system, judiciary, and currency, is sufficiently autonomous to maintain the favorable treatment on trade and commerce that it receives from the United States. (Hong Kong, for example, isn’t subject to Trump’s tariffs on the rest of China.) It would also empower the U.S. government to impose sanctions on Chinese or Hong Kong officials deemed to be undermining that autonomy or committing human-rights abuses.

In theory, this would equip the United States with plenty of economic and diplomatic leverage to influence Chinese behavior, but in practice it would be difficult to execute. For one thing, America’s legislative machinery moves at a slower pace than the Hong Kong protests, which threaten to come to a head in a few weeks when China marks the 70th anniversary of its founding. Rubio said he could envision the Senate passing the act, perhaps by unanimous consent, in mid-October when it returns from a break, and the House passing its version in short order as well. That’s fast by congressional standards, but the Chinese and Hong Kong authorities could in the meantime take any number of actions—including measures short of a large-scale military clampdown, such as declaring a state of emergency. It’s unclear how the U.S. would respond if that were to happen.

There’s also the distinct chance that the campaign in Washington could go the way of other recent issues, such as punitive measures against Russia and Saudi Arabia, that also had strong bipartisan backing in Congress only to be hollowed out when they reached the executive branch.

Rubio said he has personally spoken with Trump about the bill and has not encountered resistance. “The White House has indicated that they would sign it,” he noted.

Yet as Trump’s former consul general to Hong Kong and Macau has observed, Hong Kong is a “second-tier” matter in the administration relative to, say, trade with China and addressing the nuclear threats from North Korea and Iran. Trump has mostly been silent on Hong Kong. When he has mentioned it, he has explicitly linked the issues of trade and Hong Kong (even as his advisers dismiss any connection), warning the Chinese government that violent suppression of the protests would jeopardize trade talks and arguing that this threat is precisely what has restrained Beijing so far. At times Trump has appeared to take China’s side, such as when he described the demonstrations as “riots.” Occasionally he has said he’s in favor of Hong Kong’s freedom. More often he’s suggested that the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, meet with protesters, an idea Xi hasn’t shown the faintest indication of entertaining.


Rubio said he didn’t believe Trump would veto the legislation to placate the Chinese as trade talks resume, noting that he thinks the bill will pass with a veto-proof majority. (The Trump administration has made such moves in the past, such as when it reportedly postponed a tough speech on China by Vice President Mike Pence ahead of trade talks between Trump and Xi at the G20 summit in June.)

“I think the bigger concern is in its implementation,” Rubio said. “You can pass the bill, but it still requires the administration to implement it. It still requires them to conduct the annual review and it still requires them to impose sanctions on individuals, for example, police officials responsible for repression. They could theoretically sign the bill—them or a future administration —and yet not implement it.”

Rubio added that he has made the argument to Trump “that if the Chinese are prepared to break the commitments they made on Hong Kong [as part of a 1984 agreement with Britain on transferring control of the territory to China], how could we trust them to keep any commitments they make on trade or any other matter?”


Read: Hong Kong’s protests have cemented its identity

In Hong Kong, meanwhile, the bill is being championed by pro-democracy lawmakers and activists who have recently made trips to Washington to lobby for its passage, angering both pro-establishment figures in the territory and officials in Beijing.

China’s oversight of Hong Kong has taken a “serious deviation from the original intent of ‘one country, two systems,’” Dennis Kwok, a member of the city’s Legislative Council, told The Atlantic, referring to the framework under which Hong Kong has operated since 1997, when the territory was handed back to China. In August, Kwok and other Hong Kong lawmakers traveled to meet with U.S. counterparts in Montana, where the nonprofit that organized the delegation has an office.

The Chinese government, Kwok charged, wants to have it “both ways,” exerting ever-increasing control over Hong Kong while still benefiting economically from the unique status afforded to the city by the United States under a 1992 law known as the Hong Kong Policy Act. While Hong Kongers don’t want the act to be scrapped at the moment, if “suppression of human rights and democracy is a persistent factor, then why should people treat Hong Kong differently?” he asked.


Kwok said he understood that the American legislative process is “far from simple,” but was heartened by what he heard during his U.S. tour, which included meetings with officials from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s office in New York and an address to the Oregon Republican Party convention in the small city of Pendleton. Across this eclectic set of interactions, Kwok said, there was a uniform message that people want to see Hong Kong “continue to be an open, successful, prosperous, international city, but they are worried about the stuff that is going on here.”

Another pro-democracy lawmaker, James To, went to Washington in May. His schedule freed up unexpectedly, he joked, because he was ousted by a pro-Beijing faction from his position overseeing the Legislative Council’s bill committee. He met with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and returned to the United States last month with Kwok. The message he hoped to convey to U.S. officials is blunt: The “Hong Kong people are in a very dangerous situation,” he told The Atlantic. (Rubio said his office speaks with Hong Kong activists “all the time” to hear “what they think we can do to be most impactful and effective at supporting them.” He might meet with the prominent activist Joshua Wong during Wong’s upcoming trip to the United States.)

The stream of visitors to Washington and the way they’ve been received has irked Hong Kong’s pro-Beijing camp. Regina Ip, a pro-Beijing lawmaker and a member of Lam’s cabinet who also made the recent trip to Montana, was frustrated with what she saw as a new tactic by government critics to draw on overseas support. “This time there is really high-profile involvement of U.S. officials,” she said in an interview before Lam withdrew the extradition bill. “I won’t use the word interference because I don’t have hard evidence, but definitely the pressure on us is much greater.”

Read: A defining moment for Trump’s foreign policy

The domestic and international push for passage of the Human Rights and Democracy Act has only deepened this sentiment. Lam has said that the U.S. Congress should not be allowed to become "a stakeholder” in Hong Kong’s affairs and warned people not to lobby for the legislation. Officials in Beijing have spoken with even more force and a conspiratorial tone about covert U.S. meddling, demanding that the United States withdraw its “black hands” from Hong Kong while blaming U.S. politicians for pushing protesters to be “reckless” and “beautifying the violent criminal offenses as [a] fight for human rights and freedom.”

Kwok, the pro-democracy lawmaker, dismissed Lam’s comments as “standard communist rhetoric.” Lam must understand that “Hong Kong works because it is an international city ... That means everyone, especially Western nations, have a stake in Hong Kong,” he said.

As Rubio sees it, the stakes are towering. The Chinese Communist Party considers Hong Kong “the front line of its battle against Western liberal democracies,” he said, and the United States needs to confront the authoritarian model China is promoting if it wishes to avoid becoming “an island surrounded by nations that have left the democratic order.” He acknowledged that the Chinese government may so value Hong Kong that it is prepared to assert authority over it at great expense, but argued that it’s still incumbent upon the United States to clarify what those costs will be. “The fact that we can’t ultimately control the outcome [in Hong Kong] entirely should not prevent us from doing something,” he maintained.

Rubio said that a red line for Congress would be a violent crackdown by Chinese forces on the protests or a loss of Hong Kong’s autonomy, which he described as already “tenuous.”

Asked whether he has a sense of the White House’s red line on Hong Kong, he responded, “No, I don’t.”


Submit a letter to the editor or write to letters@theatlantic.com.



URI FRIEDMAN is a staff writer at The Atlantic, covering national security and global affairs.
TIMOTHY MCLAUGHLIN is a journalist based in Hong Kong.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/09/americas-role-hong-kong/597976/

 

[Nasr]

Uri Friedman .... that is all that I needed to read to know that reading this article is a waste of time. Nothing more than Zionist barking!!

China ought to learn and read more about the Parasitic-Cancer which is Zionism. America is the host body to that Parasite (Zionism).

 

[Cthulhu]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1173637354436870144

https://twitter.com/x/status/1174061008727552001

https://twitter.com/x/status/1174103237571547136

 

[macnurv]

The U.S. Is About to Do Something Big on Hong Kong

Protests there have demonstrated the enduring appeal of American values and power. But can Washington live up to that promise?

URI FRIEDMAN AND TIMOTHY MCLAUGHLIN SEP 15, 2019

Protesters in Hong Kong march to the U.S. Consulate.ANUSHREE FADNAVIS / REUTERS)

Hong Kong’s pro-democracy protest movement, the David to China’s Goliath, is calling out to the land of the free for help—and help may be on the way. The question is whether it will be substantial enough and fast enough, and have the support of the president of the United States.


For months now, a small but zealous contingent of American flag-waving protesters has been a fixture of the huge demonstrations in Hong Kong, including today, when dozens of people again carried the U.S. flag during a rally held in defiance of a police ban. As the struggle to resist China’s tightening grip on the semiautonomous region has intensified, protesters have appealed to the United States in larger numbers and with greater urgency. Last weekend, tens of thousands of protesters marched near the U.S. consulate in the territory, singing “The Star-Spangled Banner” and carrying signs that urged President Donald Trump to “liberate Hong Kong.” Perhaps more realistically, they also issued a practical plea: for Congress to pass the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, which would grant the United States further means to defend the territory’s freedoms and autonomy.


Faced with Trump’s scattershot approach to the ferment in Hong Kong, which doesn’t rank as a high-priority issue for his administration, activists are placing their faith in legislation that ultimately will only be as effective as the executive branch’s willingness to implement it.

Nevertheless, Republican Senator Marco Rubio, one of the sponsors of the bill in the Senate, is optimistic that the U.S. government will deliver on its promise. That scene near the consulate a week ago was a vivid reminder that America is still a potent “symbol of democracy and freedom” around the world, he told The Atlantic. The protesters “see a country where people vehemently disagree on public policy and say horrible things about each other, but no one goes to jail for it,” he noted.

By contrast, this past week, Hong Kong police announced that they’ve arrested nearly 1,400 people between the ages of 12 and 76 since the protests erupted this spring over proposed legislation that would have enabled suspected criminals to be extradited to the lawless judicial jungle of mainland China. Carrie Lam, the Beijing-appointed chief executive of Hong Kong, has since pledged to withdraw the law—an astounding victory for leaderless protesters going up against a powerful authoritarian state, but one that has yet to placate activists.


Read: Hong Kong shows the flaws in China’s zero-sum worldview

Rubio said he expects the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act to easily pass in Congress and be signed into law by the president. The legislation, which has bipartisan support in the Senate and the House of Representatives, has emerged as the primary vehicle through which the U.S. government is hoping to deter China from carrying out a Tiananmen Square–like crackdown against peaceful protesters and pressure it into upholding the city’s special status within China. (So far Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, whose wife’s family has extensive business dealings in China, hasn’t specifically endorsed the legislation, even as he’s advocated for legislative measures to preserve Hong Kong’s autonomy. A spokesperson for Rubio, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss deliberations in the Senate, said the senator’s office did not view McConnell’s failure to reference the act in a recent op-ed on Hong Kong as a slight.)


Among other things, the bill would require the secretary of state to annually certify to Congress that Hong Kong, which operates its own immigration system, judiciary, and currency, is sufficiently autonomous to maintain the favorable treatment on trade and commerce that it receives from the United States. (Hong Kong, for example, isn’t subject to Trump’s tariffs on the rest of China.) It would also empower the U.S. government to impose sanctions on Chinese or Hong Kong officials deemed to be undermining that autonomy or committing human-rights abuses.

In theory, this would equip the United States with plenty of economic and diplomatic leverage to influence Chinese behavior, but in practice it would be difficult to execute. For one thing, America’s legislative machinery moves at a slower pace than the Hong Kong protests, which threaten to come to a head in a few weeks when China marks the 70th anniversary of its founding. Rubio said he could envision the Senate passing the act, perhaps by unanimous consent, in mid-October when it returns from a break, and the House passing its version in short order as well. That’s fast by congressional standards, but the Chinese and Hong Kong authorities could in the meantime take any number of actions—including measures short of a large-scale military clampdown, such as declaring a state of emergency. It’s unclear how the U.S. would respond if that were to happen.

There’s also the distinct chance that the campaign in Washington could go the way of other recent issues, such as punitive measures against Russia and Saudi Arabia, that also had strong bipartisan backing in Congress only to be hollowed out when they reached the executive branch.

Rubio said he has personally spoken with Trump about the bill and has not encountered resistance. “The White House has indicated that they would sign it,” he noted.

Yet as Trump’s former consul general to Hong Kong and Macau has observed, Hong Kong is a “second-tier” matter in the administration relative to, say, trade with China and addressing the nuclear threats from North Korea and Iran. Trump has mostly been silent on Hong Kong. When he has mentioned it, he has explicitly linked the issues of trade and Hong Kong (even as his advisers dismiss any connection), warning the Chinese government that violent suppression of the protests would jeopardize trade talks and arguing that this threat is precisely what has restrained Beijing so far. At times Trump has appeared to take China’s side, such as when he described the demonstrations as “riots.” Occasionally he has said he’s in favor of Hong Kong’s freedom. More often he’s suggested that the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, meet with protesters, an idea Xi hasn’t shown the faintest indication of entertaining.


Rubio said he didn’t believe Trump would veto the legislation to placate the Chinese as trade talks resume, noting that he thinks the bill will pass with a veto-proof majority. (The Trump administration has made such moves in the past, such as when it reportedly postponed a tough speech on China by Vice President Mike Pence ahead of trade talks between Trump and Xi at the G20 summit in June.)

“I think the bigger concern is in its implementation,” Rubio said. “You can pass the bill, but it still requires the administration to implement it. It still requires them to conduct the annual review and it still requires them to impose sanctions on individuals, for example, police officials responsible for repression. They could theoretically sign the bill—them or a future administration —and yet not implement it.”

Rubio added that he has made the argument to Trump “that if the Chinese are prepared to break the commitments they made on Hong Kong [as part of a 1984 agreement with Britain on transferring control of the territory to China], how could we trust them to keep any commitments they make on trade or any other matter?”


Read: Hong Kong’s protests have cemented its identity

In Hong Kong, meanwhile, the bill is being championed by pro-democracy lawmakers and activists who have recently made trips to Washington to lobby for its passage, angering both pro-establishment figures in the territory and officials in Beijing.

China’s oversight of Hong Kong has taken a “serious deviation from the original intent of ‘one country, two systems,’” Dennis Kwok, a member of the city’s Legislative Council, told The Atlantic, referring to the framework under which Hong Kong has operated since 1997, when the territory was handed back to China. In August, Kwok and other Hong Kong lawmakers traveled to meet with U.S. counterparts in Montana, where the nonprofit that organized the delegation has an office.

The Chinese government, Kwok charged, wants to have it “both ways,” exerting ever-increasing control over Hong Kong while still benefiting economically from the unique status afforded to the city by the United States under a 1992 law known as the Hong Kong Policy Act. While Hong Kongers don’t want the act to be scrapped at the moment, if “suppression of human rights and democracy is a persistent factor, then why should people treat Hong Kong differently?” he asked.


Kwok said he understood that the American legislative process is “far from simple,” but was heartened by what he heard during his U.S. tour, which included meetings with officials from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s office in New York and an address to the Oregon Republican Party convention in the small city of Pendleton. Across this eclectic set of interactions, Kwok said, there was a uniform message that people want to see Hong Kong “continue to be an open, successful, prosperous, international city, but they are worried about the stuff that is going on here.”

Another pro-democracy lawmaker, James To, went to Washington in May. His schedule freed up unexpectedly, he joked, because he was ousted by a pro-Beijing faction from his position overseeing the Legislative Council’s bill committee. He met with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and returned to the United States last month with Kwok. The message he hoped to convey to U.S. officials is blunt: The “Hong Kong people are in a very dangerous situation,” he told The Atlantic. (Rubio said his office speaks with Hong Kong activists “all the time” to hear “what they think we can do to be most impactful and effective at supporting them.” He might meet with the prominent activist Joshua Wong during Wong’s upcoming trip to the United States.)

The stream of visitors to Washington and the way they’ve been received has irked Hong Kong’s pro-Beijing camp. Regina Ip, a pro-Beijing lawmaker and a member of Lam’s cabinet who also made the recent trip to Montana, was frustrated with what she saw as a new tactic by government critics to draw on overseas support. “This time there is really high-profile involvement of U.S. officials,” she said in an interview before Lam withdrew the extradition bill. “I won’t use the word interference because I don’t have hard evidence, but definitely the pressure on us is much greater.”

Read: A defining moment for Trump’s foreign policy

The domestic and international push for passage of the Human Rights and Democracy Act has only deepened this sentiment. Lam has said that the U.S. Congress should not be allowed to become "a stakeholder” in Hong Kong’s affairs and warned people not to lobby for the legislation. Officials in Beijing have spoken with even more force and a conspiratorial tone about covert U.S. meddling, demanding that the United States withdraw its “black hands” from Hong Kong while blaming U.S. politicians for pushing protesters to be “reckless” and “beautifying the violent criminal offenses as [a] fight for human rights and freedom.”

Kwok, the pro-democracy lawmaker, dismissed Lam’s comments as “standard communist rhetoric.” Lam must understand that “Hong Kong works because it is an international city ... That means everyone, especially Western nations, have a stake in Hong Kong,” he said.

As Rubio sees it, the stakes are towering. The Chinese Communist Party considers Hong Kong “the front line of its battle against Western liberal democracies,” he said, and the United States needs to confront the authoritarian model China is promoting if it wishes to avoid becoming “an island surrounded by nations that have left the democratic order.” He acknowledged that the Chinese government may so value Hong Kong that it is prepared to assert authority over it at great expense, but argued that it’s still incumbent upon the United States to clarify what those costs will be. “The fact that we can’t ultimately control the outcome [in Hong Kong] entirely should not prevent us from doing something,” he maintained.

Rubio said that a red line for Congress would be a violent crackdown by Chinese forces on the protests or a loss of Hong Kong’s autonomy, which he described as already “tenuous.”

Asked whether he has a sense of the White House’s red line on Hong Kong, he responded, “No, I don’t.”


Submit a letter to the editor or write to letters@theatlantic.com.



URI FRIEDMAN is a staff writer at The Atlantic, covering national security and global affairs.
TIMOTHY MCLAUGHLIN is a journalist based in Hong Kong.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/09/americas-role-hong-kong/597976/

Mr. Uri again talking more nonsense, I usually avoid his writings at Atlantic. US is already covertly involved in HK protests, its highly unlikely they will be doing something openly such as blockade or moving towards a military confrontation. So Uri is talking about his wishes and dreams here.

 

[S10]

What are they gonna do? Put on tariffs, deny student visas, label China a currency manipulator without merit and try to make life hard for Chinese companies?

Maybe they shouldn't have fired all their bullets in the past 12 months.

 

[khansaheeb]

China's response seems to be in stark contrast to India's brutalisation of Kashmir. Let's see how silent the world remains if China shuts down Hong Kong and starts shooting, maiming, raping and torturing the civilians there like the Indians have done to Kashmiris.

 

[rott]

China's response seems to be in stark contrast to India's brutalisation of Kashmir. Let's see how silent the world remains if China shuts down Hong Kong and starts shooting, maiming, raping and torturing the civilians there like the Indians have done to Kashmiris.

The US turns a blind eye on Kashmir. I wonder why.....

 

[Trango Towers]

Uri Friedman .... that is all that I needed to read to know that reading this article is a waste of time. Nothing more than Zionist barking!!

China ought to learn and read more about the Parasitic-Cancer which is Zionism. America is the host body to that Parasite (Zionism).

I did the same read the authors name and didn't bother to read the article looool

China .. when it decides to take out these ruoters it wont look at the world opinion. It will just do it

 

[kankan326]

China's response seems to be in stark contrast to India's brutalisation of Kashmir. Let's see how silent the world remains if China shuts down Hong Kong and starts shooting, maiming, raping and torturing the civilians there like the Indians have done to Kashmiris.

Probably the HK riot stimulated Modi to change the India "One country, two systems" policy in Kashmir. Hongkong made a very bad example. I wonder why some Pakistanis support HK riot.

 

[Dungeness]

Probably the HK riot stimulated Modi to change the India "One country, two systems" policy in Kashmir. Hongkong made a very bad example. I wonder why some Pakistanis support HK riot.

Deep down, they are as racist as those in the West if not more, but they would call you "Brother" when they need you. Supporting HK thugs would give them a taste of moral/racial superiority, for free.

 

[Zulfiqar]

Probably the HK riot stimulated Modi to change the India "One country, two systems" policy in Kashmir. Hongkong made a very bad example. I wonder why some Pakistanis support HK riot.

I believe he was being sarcastic and wanted to point out double standards of US.

Pakistan was facing similar "color revolution" supported by yanks and endia some months ago in form of PTM in our north west KPK province.

Our establishment is trying to systematically dismantle it. PTM is hopefully near its death now.


HK is one of several gateways to china. Reorient resources from HK to shenzen and other areas and HK will lose much of its importance. HK snobs can then go ahead and protest all they want.

 

[Brainsucker]

What are they gonna do? Put on tariffs, deny student visas, label China a currency manipulator without merit and try to make life hard for Chinese companies?

Maybe they shouldn't have fired all their bullets in the past 12 months.

They will do something with 1992 Hongkong special financial status. But that will be backfire to Hongkong. The one who will hate Joshua Wong won't CCP Government, but Hongkong people themselves.

 

[S10]

They will do something with 1992 Hongkong special financial status. But that will be backfire to Hongkong. The one who will hate Joshua Wong won't CCP Government, but Hongkong people themselves.

The problem is some idiots in HK will blame China no matter what. Even if they tripped on a rock and fell, they will likely form conspiracy theory about Beijing sending an assassin rock. When you try to point out the non-sensical nature and the ridiculousness of it all, they'll start calling your brainwashed or 50 cent army.

 

[Nasr]

Both Pakistan and China need to learn, recognize and study about Zionists. Know that the illusion of America as an independent country, is what prevents states from tackling the plague of U.S hegemony.

These Zionists control the American, British and European economies. They also control and own their governments. U.S hegemony is essentially Zionist hegemony. They are a vicious, savage people, rotten at the core and have no morals, no humanity or dignity in them. They will fight you, ruthlessly and carve you up with zero remorse. The Zionists have no allegiance to any one country, any race or any religion. Their God is "power & money" which makes them incapable of being human decency. They are depraved by nature and their savagery knows no bounds.

China and Pakistan, remember the most dangerous enemy is one whom you cannot see and that enemy's most powerful weapon is "deception." China, Pakistan and Russia need to recognize that Zionists have empowered America (economically & militarily) in order remove all challenger nations because such "Peer Power Nations" will inevitably and ultimately challenge American supremacy. And American Supremacy is meant to fulfill their ultimate objective which is two pronged;

1. To weaken, dismember or render challenger nations incapable of putting up any fight which may wobble American supremacy. In the absence of Peer Power Nations, Zionist hegemony would spread across the planet, whereby they carry out their brutality upon Middle East and weaken and Balkanize the region.

2. To create by means of encroachment, deception, manipulation of global economy (by monopolizing it) and by wars of genocide, the (illegal, illegitimate, criminal, fascist) state of Israel. This illegal state's borders would stretch from the River Nile to the River Euphrates. This illegal state's capital shall be Jerusalem (in it's entirety) and Palestinians shall be systematically exterminated from existence.

In order to achieve this, they (Zionist-Parasites) will bring about the third instalment of their global hegemony, in other words bring about World War Three. Make no mistake, they (Zionists) are very much capable of accomplishing this and will carry out their objectives.

Now the natural instincts of any country is fight. Germany did it, with a systematic extermination of Jews. The Germans were ruthlessly destroyed, their nation invaded from both sides. The Zionist-Americans/British from the West and the Zionist-Soviets from the East. I say Zionists, because America, Britain and the French are Zionist owned/controlled. The Soviets, while they existed, were Bolsheviks and Bolsheviks are 99% Ashkenazis (White Jews). Germany failed on a multitude of fronts, the main front where they comprehensively failed was to study who Zionists are, what their objectives are and their main strengths and weaknesses. Zionists hijacked Judaism when their Khazar race (off-shoot of Western Turkic Khaghanate) Kaghan (King) embraced Judaism and his kingdom followed suit in one fell sweep. Zionists come from the 6th Century race of Khazars, a pale white skinned people who fled their homeland nestled between the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea (East to West), and the Caucus Mountain Range to the banks of Rivers Donn and Volga (South to North). The Khazars fled their homeland because they suffered humiliating defeats at the hands of the "Arab Avalanche" back when their Imaan was indestructible, and then by the Rus people who hammered the Khazars westward into Europe. Khazars became Jews out of "political expediency" their lust for power and greed for wealth was and is insatiable. They chose Judaism because the major Superpowers of the world at the time, were the Arabs (Islam) and Byzantine (Orthodox Christianity) and Judaism was a religion older than Islam and Christianity, yet had no empire or kingdom. The fact that both Islam and Christianity acknowledge Judaism as their predecessor, was the political motive for the Khazars to adopt Judaism as their religion.

This is where the Germans failed miserably. And their failure to recognize this blaring reality, costed them their destruction.

Russians, Chinese, Pakistanis, Turks, Arabs and Iranians MUST recognize this. And the reason why these nations must do so, is because the Zionists are playing all of you nations like a bunch of buffoons. Today Zionists own all the technology, wield power of the largest military nation (America) in the world. And to compound things to the "N"th degree, they (Zionists) control the global financial system, all thanks to globalization.

In order to defeat your (common) enemy, and your enemy is Zionism, you must study the enemy's strengths and weaknesses. But most of all, you (Russia, China, Pakistan, Arabia, Iran, Turkey) must study and learn how the enemy thinks. Do that, you will inflict a devastating blow to the Parasitic-Cancer which is Zionism.

Sadly, nations that are host bodies to the Zionist Parasitic Cancer, namely America, Britain, Canada, France, Australia, Netherlands and etc, are irreversibly infected with Zionism. They have no escape, they are doomed to horrifying end. But you (Russia, China, Pakistan, Arabia, Turkey and Iran) have the freedom to fight against the Zionist disease.

Fight smart, fight ruthlessly, but most importantly beware of the enemy's deception, it is masterful in it's ways of deception.

China ... you know the architect of Trade War is that Zionist-Swine, Mnuchin. The Hong Kong riots are proof that these Zionist-Swines don't play fair and they would to any extent to reach their objectives. Remember, you're fighting an enemy which smoke. Fight based on your strengths and the enemy's weaknesses, and yes the enemy has weaknesses.

Russia, beware of contrived circumstances, hatched by Zionists. Those accidents are NOT accidents, they are sabotage attempts. Infiltrations are rife, but they don't have you by the jugular for a reason. It isn't your military alone that gives you an advantage over the enemy, it is your leadership. Do not allow anyone to sabotage the unity between state and faith. There lies your true power, wield it and protect your church.

Arabia, you will liberate yourselves from the clutches of the Najdi traitors. Again, as with Rus, your strengths are with your faith. Summon your faith, for it is in the absence of which you find yourselves subjugating to Zionist owned puppets, the Najdi sauds and wahhabis.

Turkey, you are half in half out. The level of infiltration by Zionists in your ranks is unprecedented. Far greater extent than the Arabs. It is your military industrial complex that is most vulnerable. The architects of coup, assassination of Russian ambassador on your soil, the state policy of funding rebellion in Syria, is misguided and devised by the Zionists in your midst.

Iran, your leadership is your weakest point. Because of which you have failed to forge and consolidate on your alliances with powerful nations that challenge the Zionist-West. Your leadership's short sightedness is proof of it's proxy wars. What you must understand is that the enemy is not fighting a zero sum game, rather hybrid warfare. Do not see yourself as the only one fighting the great war, as it would be the cause of your downfall.

And finally, Pakistan .... have you any idea how many times God has saved your skin? Better yet, have you any clue what your destiny is? You have no idea, do you Pakistan? Well at least take some solice, there are those amongst your leadership who have thwarted and challenged the enemy successfully. But you as a nation have been "winging it" for most of your existence. You have no idea that the Zionists fear you, Pakistan the most! That's right, Zionists fear you (Pakistan) more than they fear Iran, or Turkey for that matter. Why? Because you are the only nation, who wouldn't give it a second thought to turning Israel to nuclear ashes. Maybe that is why you as a nation have been behaving so boyishly while your God has been protecting you from one peril to the next. Remember, the enemy fears you the most, because you are the ONLY MUSLIM NUCLEAR power who has the power of will to end Israel in a matter of minutes. So do us all a favor, and wake the heck up, because in all honesty we are all a bit tired of your childish antics. Grow up, you already have a pair ... become what you're destined to be. That is correct, you are the ones who would be the spear that pierces the heart of Zionists. So get off your @$$e$ and wake the heck up!!!!

 

[khansaheeb]

Deep down, they are as racist as those in the West if not more, but they would call you "Brother" when they need you. Supporting HK thugs would give them a taste of moral/racial superiority, for free.

It's more likely hindjew trolls , we have plenty of them in the forum.

Both Pakistan and China need to learn, recognize and study about Zionists. Know that the illusion of America as an independent country, is what prevents states from tackling the plague of U.S hegemony.

These Zionists control the American, British and European economies. They also control and own their governments. U.S hegemony is essentially Zionist hegemony. They are a vicious, savage people, rotten at the core and have no morals, no humanity or dignity in them. They will fight you, ruthlessly and carve you up with zero remorse. The Zionists have no allegiance to any one country, any race or any religion. Their God is "power & money" which makes them incapable of being human decency. They are depraved by nature and their savagery knows no bounds.

China and Pakistan, remember the most dangerous enemy is one whom you cannot see and that enemy's most powerful weapon is "deception." China, Pakistan and Russia need to recognize that Zionists have empowered America (economically & militarily) in order remove all challenger nations because such "Peer Power Nations" will inevitably and ultimately challenge American supremacy. And American Supremacy is meant to fulfill their ultimate objective which is two pronged;

1. To weaken, dismember or render challenger nations incapable of putting up any fight which may wobble American supremacy. In the absence of Peer Power Nations, Zionist hegemony would spread across the planet, whereby they carry out their brutality upon Middle East and weaken and Balkanize the region.

2. To create by means of encroachment, deception, manipulation of global economy (by monopolizing it) and by wars of genocide, the (illegal, illegitimate, criminal, fascist) state of Israel. This illegal state's borders would stretch from the River Nile to the River Euphrates. This illegal state's capital shall be Jerusalem (in it's entirety) and Palestinians shall be systematically exterminated from existence.

In order to achieve this, they (Zionist-Parasites) will bring about the third instalment of their global hegemony, in other words bring about World War Three. Make no mistake, they (Zionists) are very much capable of accomplishing this and will carry out their objectives.

Now the natural instincts of any country is fight. Germany did it, with a systematic extermination of Jews. The Germans were ruthlessly destroyed, their nation invaded from both sides. The Zionist-Americans/British from the West and the Zionist-Soviets from the East. I say Zionists, because America, Britain and the French are Zionist owned/controlled. The Soviets, while they existed, were Bolsheviks and Bolsheviks are 99% Ashkenazis (White Jews). Germany failed on a multitude of fronts, the main front where they comprehensively failed was to study who Zionists are, what their objectives are and their main strengths and weaknesses. Zionists hijacked Judaism when their Khazar race (off-shoot of Western Turkic Khaghanate) Kaghan (King) embraced Judaism and his kingdom followed suit in one fell sweep. Zionists come from the 6th Century race of Khazars, a pale white skinned people who fled their homeland nestled between the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea (East to West), and the Caucus Mountain Range to the banks of Rivers Donn and Volga (South to North). The Khazars fled their homeland because they suffered humiliating defeats at the hands of the "Arab Avalanche" back when their Imaan was indestructible, and then by the Rus people who hammered the Khazars westward into Europe. Khazars became Jews out of "political expediency" their lust for power and greed for wealth was and is insatiable. They chose Judaism because the major Superpowers of the world at the time, were the Arabs (Islam) and Byzantine (Orthodox Christianity) and Judaism was a religion older than Islam and Christianity, yet had no empire or kingdom. The fact that both Islam and Christianity acknowledge Judaism as their predecessor, was the political motive for the Khazars to adopt Judaism as their religion.

This is where the Germans failed miserably. And their failure to recognize this blaring reality, costed them their destruction.

Russians, Chinese, Pakistanis, Turks, Arabs and Iranians MUST recognize this. And the reason why these nations must do so, is because the Zionists are playing all of you nations like a bunch of buffoons. Today Zionists own all the technology, wield power of the largest military nation (America) in the world. And to compound things to the "N"th degree, they (Zionists) control the global financial system, all thanks to globalization.

In order to defeat your (common) enemy, and your enemy is Zionism, you must study the enemy's strengths and weaknesses. But most of all, you (Russia, China, Pakistan, Arabia, Iran, Turkey) must study and learn how the enemy thinks. Do that, you will inflict a devastating blow to the Parasitic-Cancer which is Zionism.

Sadly, nations that are host bodies to the Zionist Parasitic Cancer, namely America, Britain, Canada, France, Australia, Netherlands and etc, are irreversibly infected with Zionism. They have no escape, they are doomed to horrifying end. But you (Russia, China, Pakistan, Arabia, Turkey and Iran) have the freedom to fight against the Zionist disease.

Fight smart, fight ruthlessly, but most importantly beware of the enemy's deception, it is masterful in it's ways of deception.

China ... you know the architect of Trade War is that Zionist-Swine, Mnuchin. The Hong Kong riots are proof that these Zionist-Swines don't play fair and they would to any extent to reach their objectives. Remember, you're fighting an enemy which smoke. Fight based on your strengths and the enemy's weaknesses, and yes the enemy has weaknesses.

Russia, beware of contrived circumstances, hatched by Zionists. Those accidents are NOT accidents, they are sabotage attempts. Infiltrations are rife, but they don't have you by the jugular for a reason. It isn't your military alone that gives you an advantage over the enemy, it is your leadership. Do not allow anyone to sabotage the unity between state and faith. There lies your true power, wield it and protect your church.

Arabia, you will liberate yourselves from the clutches of the Najdi traitors. Again, as with Rus, your strengths are with your faith. Summon your faith, for it is in the absence of which you find yourselves subjugating to Zionist owned puppets, the Najdi sauds and wahhabis.

Turkey, you are half in half out. The level of infiltration by Zionists in your ranks is unprecedented. Far greater extent than the Arabs. It is your military industrial complex that is most vulnerable. The architects of coup, assassination of Russian ambassador on your soil, the state policy of funding rebellion in Syria, is misguided and devised by the Zionists in your midst.

Iran, your leadership is your weakest point. Because of which you have failed to forge and consolidate on your alliances with powerful nations that challenge the Zionist-West. Your leadership's short sightedness is proof of it's proxy wars. What you must understand is that the enemy is not fighting a zero sum game, rather hybrid warfare. Do not see yourself as the only one fighting the great war, as it would be the cause of your downfall.

And finally, Pakistan .... have you any idea how many times God has saved your skin? Better yet, have you any clue what your destiny is? You have no idea, do you Pakistan? Well at least take some solice, there are those amongst your leadership who have thwarted and challenged the enemy successfully. But you as a nation have been "winging it" for most of your existence. You have no idea that the Zionists fear you, Pakistan the most! That's right, Zionists fear you (Pakistan) more than they fear Iran, or Turkey for that matter. Why? Because you are the only nation, who wouldn't give it a second thought to turning Israel to nuclear ashes. Maybe that is why you as a nation have been behaving so boyishly while your God has been protecting you from one peril to the next. Remember, the enemy fears you the most, because you are the ONLY MUSLIM NUCLEAR power who has the power of will to end Israel in a matter of minutes. So do us all a favor, and wake the heck up, because in all honesty we are all a bit tired of your childish antics. Grow up, you already have a pair ... become what you're destined to be. That is correct, you are the ones who would be the spear that pierces the heart of Zionists. So get off your @$$e$ and wake the heck up!!!!

Who wrote this? The Zion problem has to be resolved by the host people though unified democratic surges and personal sacrifices.