The Turkish Navy Superior To The Russian Black Sea Fleet ?

[damm1t]

We shall see what happens in 100 years. These days, without technology, you cannot win war. Afghanistan cannot manufacture its own high tech military hardware. Russia can. In 100 years when Russian soldiers wear bullet proof body armor, Afghan soldiers would not have such protection. How would you fight an enemy you cannot hurt with your weapon?

in 70s russians had better army tech than afghans, and in 90s they were better than chechens, you dont need google here I assume you can figure out that much right since you comment around like a google digger smartass.. they (afg/che) were lacking attack helos, missiles, warplanes and ALL other hardwares russians have STILL they hurted and scared your mighty uranium smeller cocky bear... tech is a key but not all ...one more thing clarky kent, we are no like afghans, we produce pretty much we need and developing, keep that in your mind

 

[Superboy]

in 70s russians had better army tech than afghans, and in 90s they were better than chechens, you dont need google here I assume you can figure out that much right since you comment around like a google digger smartass.. they (afg/che) were lacking attack helos, missiles, warplanes and ALL other hardwares russians have STILL they hurted and scared your mighty uranium smeller cocky bear... tech is a key but not all ...one more thing clarky kent, we are no like afghans, we produce pretty much we need and still developing, keep that in your mind

Not really. During the Afghan War the insurgents used AK rifles, pretty much the same as USSR soldiers did, albeit older models and had limited ammo. These days Russian soldiers have kevlar armor and are pretty much invulnerable to rifle fire, whereas insurgents do not have kevlar armor and are no match for Russian soldiers.

 

[damm1t]

Not really. During the Afghan War the insurgents used AK rifles, pretty much the same as USSR soldiers did, albeit older models and had limited ammo. These days Russian soldiers have kevlar armor and are pretty much invulnerable to rifle fire, while insurgents do not have kevlar armor and are no match for Russian soldiers.

And yes all russians used were ak47s... no tank no helo no equipment no hg no missile rocket etc....nothing else than damn fcking ak47s

 

[Superboy]

And yes all russians used were ak47s... no tank no helo no equipment no hg no missile rocket etc....nothing else than damn fcking ak47s

USSR soldiers used AK-74 back then. These days Russian soldiers use AK-12. Even though insurgent won in the end, insurgent casualty was over 4 times that of USSR casualty. If Afghan War happens now between Russia and mujahedeens, mujahedeen casualty would be over 100 times that of Russian casualty.

Soviet war in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[-SINAN-]

I can't understand where this Turkey vs Russia thing comes from.

We had $50 Billion bilateral trade with Russia in 2012. Turkish companies invested over $20 Billion in Russia. Over 10 million Russian tourists visits Turkey annually. Russia supplies %40 of the natural gas consumption in Turkey. They are also building our first Nuclear plant and around 800 Turkish students are being educated in nuclear science in Russian Universities....

I think all of the poster here should be realistic and rational. There is no way Russian-Turkish relations is going to sour.

 

[damm1t]

USSR soldiers used AK-74 back then. These days Russian soldiers use AK-12. Even though insurgent won in the end, insurgent casualty was over 4 times that of USSR casualty. If Afghan War happens now between Russia and mujahedeens, mujahedeen casualty would be over 100 times that of Russian casualty

The men nearly fought with sticks and forced your equipped head to toe bear to withdraw... that was the vietnam of soviets... thats what I call real balls

 

[Superboy]

The men nearly fought with sticks and forced your equipped head to toe bear to withdraw... that was the vietnam of soviets... thats what I call real balls

USSR withdraw was not due to mujahedden. It was due to economic problems. Likewise, US withdraw from Afghanistan is not due to mujahedeen. It is due to economic problems. 1 Russian was KIA in the 2014 Crimean War, compared to 220,000 Russian KIA in the 1850s Crimean War. If Russia fights mujahedeen now, Russian casualty be about 1% of USSR casualty in the 1980s.

 

[Brainsucker]

Do you know the real meaning of "Casus Belli"?? Keep in mind, this is not Call of Duty 4

What is Call of Duty 4? Is it a movie or something? Sorry, I never watch it. I haven't goes to cinema for sometimes now. And you know? Well, maybe you know. Just thinking. Your Navy is superior to the Russian Black Sea Fleet; check; according to your fellow posters. Your 250 F-16 is soooo superior that even Mig 29 and Su-27 is like a joke; check. So..., overall, you are stronger than Russia, and you should be numbered as number two as the strongest country in this world today; not them. So you should be able to replace the big brother US who is now have an ankle Sprain after conduct a long term exercise in Afghanistan and Iraq.

So go Turkey, don't be a coward. Show your true power. Crush Russia, free Crimea, free Tatar, and free the people of Syria from that Bashir Al Assad. Well, unless you are not that soo powerful just like what you people said in this thread.

 

[Desert Fox]

The men nearly fought with sticks and forced your equipped head to toe bear to withdraw... that was the vietnam of soviets... thats what I call real balls

The Soviets withdrew not due to defeat at the hands of the Afghan resistance, though they did face considerable resistance and losses at the hands of the Mujahideen in certain key battles but the Socialist Afghan regime the Soviets left behind was considerably powerful compared to the current Karzai regime propped by the Americans and even after the Soviets Withdrew the Communist Afghan regime continued to hold its own against the rebels but when the Soviet Union collapsed (due to economic problems from arms race with the West) the new Russian state cut all support to the Communist Afghan regime which led it to collapse.

 

[Azeri440]

USSR soldiers used AK-74 back then. These days Russian soldiers use AK-12. Even though insurgent won in the end, insurgent casualty was over 4 times that of USSR casualty. If Afghan War happens now between Russia and mujahedeens, mujahedeen casualty would be over 100 times that of Russian casualty.

Soviet war in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

no they don't , they use AK-74M

special forces use AKs with after market parts

 

[atatwolf]

Russia so stronkkkk !!!!11

Hahaha

If it was Soviet times. I would say maybe but still no... Today hell no.

Only reason why Russia won was because it didn't care about his population and threw million into the German meat grinder. Germans didn't expect they would be so noncaring about their population. If Hitler prepared backup plan Russia wouldn't exist. Also central Asians played a huge part in Russian defence.

Today central Asians are on our side. Russia can't force to fight their wars anymore. Russia just wants to hold on their southern position and they have to dance along like a circus bear if they want to keep it

 

[BronzePlaque]

What is Call of Duty 4? Is it a movie or something?

Its a game..

Your Navy is superior to the Russian Black Sea Fleet; check; according to your fellow posters.

Not according to posters..According to facts..Instead of trying to be a smartass why dont you make a research? Its very simple, just google Russian Black Sea Fleet, and then Turkish Navy...See? Not so difficult, even for you.. (May be you are incapable, so i tell in advance, no one here is claiming Turkish Navy is stronger than Russian Navy, but only Russian Black Sea Fleet)

Your 250 F-16 is soooo superior that even Mig 29 and Su-27 is like a joke; check.

Noone said such thing..You are lying

So..., overall, you are stronger than Russia, and you should be numbered as number two as the strongest country in this world today; not them. So you should be able to replace the big brother US who is now have an ankle Sprain after conduct a long term exercise in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Again, you are talking nonsense here

The rest of your post is not worth a reply.. And you still didnt respond my question, what is "Casus Belli" according to you? You claimed Turkey has "Casus Belli" on Russia..Explain

 

[Brainsucker]

@BronzePlaque :

This is the post of your fellow Turkish in this forum. You can search it yourself in another thread around here. It's still hot out there, so you can find it very easily.

You have the thickest skull I've ever encountered so far "downgraded" F16s? all of our F16 fleet has reached to Block50+ level after CCIP modernisation. I can't believe I'm losing time with these retards.


We have all sorts of anti-radiation missiles to take care of S400s Harms, Harpies, whatever, and we have every bit of equipment that is necessary to keep the air-superiority from russians. B737 AWACS' KC135 Stratotankers, everything. What russians have are some extra maneuverable aircraft, that doesn't mean shit against JHMCS mounted F16s.

Some pilots have resigned in protest after a few political events such as the Ergenekon case I'm sure there are others with different reasons. But we still put in thousands of flight hours, We're actually above NATO average and certainly in a better shape than Russia. You should watch SoloTürk and Turkish stars videos

Russian pilots are mostly old guys, especially good ones. Like their planes, they are from soviet-era.

Lastly, what @usernameless said applies, in case of mobilization, those men working with international airline companies will return to their duty.

Some pilots have resigned in protest after a few political events such as the Ergenekon case I'm sure there are others with different reasons. But we still put in thousands of flight hours, We're actually above NATO average and certainly in a better shape than Russia. You should watch SoloTürk and Turkish stars videos

Russian pilots are mostly old guys, especially good ones. Like their planes, they are from soviet-era.

Lastly, what @usernameless said applies, in case of mobilization, those men working with international airline companies will return to their duty.

@Span, what kind of modernisation did the Mig29 go through exactly?


We have 240 F16s either went through CCIP modernisation and became block50+ or directly procured block 50+ We have their source codes and we pretty much produce every part of the plane at TAI... I don't think we have brought anything from america in the last batch of 30 F16s...


I think we can keep producing F16s in a prolonged conflict but it won't be necessary as F35s will enter inventory in a couple of years. I'd like to see Ibris-Es trying to get a lock on our planes then. But even with the current inventory I'm sure that in a small skirmish they'll lose a hell of a lot more planes than we will.


I know F4E 2020 Terminators' airframes are really old but I'm still confident they can and will outpreform planes like Su25 in ground attack and SEAD/DEAD roles.

Yeah, but how many Su35s they have? very few, bulk of their fleet consists of mostly outdated planes like Mi29s, Mig31s while even our F4 2020 Terminators went through serious modernisation. I don't know how are we going to part with these babies once F35s are introduced

So... you have 240 (maybe not 250) a super duper F-16 block +50 that can trample Russian SU-27 and Mig-29. Well, according to your people's posts at least. Maybe he didn't said SU-27 but Mig-31, but otherwise, it is the same. Turkey's F-16 is soooo superior.

Being a former servicemen, I can assure you that Northern Sea Area Command can neutralize Russian Black Sea Fleet within 72 hours. That was the subject.

And this is according to your "expert", you can trample Russian Black Sea Fleet within 72 hours. Wow, Amazing capability!

and now you said that it is according to the facts. Well, then so what are you waiting for? And what do you think that your casus belli to strike them? I have explained in previous my post. It is enough. So what are you waiting for?

 

[Tsilihin]

Sinan said:
I can't understand where this Turkey vs Russia thing comes from.
We had $50 Billion bilateral trade with Russia in 2012. Turkish companies invested over $20 Billion in Russia. Over 10 million Russian tourists visits Turkey annually.
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I think in the next few years, trade between Turkey and Russia will constantly be on the rise.
It annoys some people who lost their market because things are changing rapidly and the strategy which was good before 10 years starting to fall apart.

 

[LegionnairE]

@Tsilihin They are constantly poking the status between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Helping Armenia just enough that they can maintain a stalemate. This is damaging stability and making it impossible for the Karabağ issue to be solved.

We need a stable causcaus so we can connect with the Turkic states. If you think we have good trade with Russia, wait until we establish a trade corridor with middle asia.

@BronzePlaque
So... you have 240 (maybe not 250) a super duper F-16 block +50 that can trample Russian SU-27 and Mig-29. Well, according to your people's posts at least. Maybe he didn't said SU-27 but Mig-31, but otherwise, it is the same. Turkey's F-16 is soooo superior.

Don't twist my words, I've already said in my posts Su27s will be a problem. They are actually good planes. But my opinon of Mig29s and Mig31s haven't changed, I'm behind my words.

And this is according to your "expert", you can trample Russian Black Sea Fleet within 72 hours. Wow, Amazing capability!

it is, I am proud of our submarine fleet. Even with most of Ukraine's navy absorbed Russian black sea fleet is still a junkyard of 1970s, 1980s ships.

and now you said that it is according to the facts. Well, then so what are you waiting for? And what do you think that your casus belli to strike them? I have explained in previous my post. It is enough. So what are you waiting for?

Never go full retard.