The truth is Muslims are guilty!

[kingkobra]

the word infidel is derogatory... it is filled with hatred. It is my wish whether I believe in Ram or Jesus or Guru Nanak and for that i consider myself a believer. So a Muslim to come to me and call me Infidel is equivalent to saying to me that your faith is fake.

its a word of intolerance and preaches that other faith people are non religious and non believers - non believers in the right god (Allah) which as a corollary means their god is fake. That's intolerance and derogatory to other faiths.

Muslims should not use this word for Non Muslims. You following Allah doesnt make others Non Beleivers, as others believe in other faiths and religions. The others are NOT INFIDELS. and Allah is not the only true religion, all religions are equally true.

I hope Muslims scholars preach that infidel is a wrong word and that all faiths are equal and that you are infidel only when you do not beleive in any faith.

I am not a infidel as I beleive in my God. The fact that I beleive, then how can someone call me Non Beleiver?

It is not limited to Islam but all the abrahmic cults.

 

[Zabaniyah]

I can see it now: up next, The Courage of Pakistanis, 1971. Only this time, the movie will be made in Dhaka.

Gee...I don't know how this is related to the topic

Ever seen the quality of Bangladeshi films?

Buurrrr...

Although, there was one notable film about 1971 - Amar Bondhu Rashed (My friend Rashed).
Amar Bondhu Rashed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But it doesn't demonize Pakistan or anything. Nor is there any need.

We are 'good' Muslims

The US Embassy in Baridhara, Dhaka is as eerily desolate now as always. Hell, I even drive past it everyday But boy, is it one BIG, red and heavily guarded building (always is).....

Okay, I'm done with my bragging...

 

[Luftwaffe]

the word infidel is derogatory... it is filled with hatred.

Are you kidding us..

INFIDEL...Meaning (defined by western dictionaries):
A person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own.

How is it filled with hate and derogatory.

 

[timetravel]

It is not limited to Islam but all the abrahmic cults.

yes this line, my religion is true and my god is the only god is root of intolerance. This thinking should be thrown in the garbage bin.

Are you kidding us..

INFIDEL...Meaning (defined by western dictionaries):
A person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own.

How is it filled with hate and derogatory.

Infidel (literally "one without faith")

Infidel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

people indoctrinated in this belief of Infidel and Believers resonate themselves with the above definition and not what you said.

 

[HeinzG]

Muslim need to learn respect other religion if they want other to respect them...they need to learn tolerance...and should learn to ignore what other say or do about Islam...

That won't happen mate.....

 

[Zabaniyah]

Zabaniya...Take Ambassador's death as part of damage that takes place during a conflict/war this is the American standard psyche when civilians are bombed to death the reasoning and reply is we try best to avoid civilian casualties but can't avoid it completely this is what has happened to Ambassador poor man got caught in a Terrible situation sad and regretful. The matter should now be closed there is no need to inflate and open stupid threads targeting or finger pointing at every muslim being guilty for one soul. Millions of afghan-iraqis and many thousand Pakistanis died non open Thread after Thread that CHRISTIANS-JEWS are responsible.

I agree, Mr. Stevens was there at the wrong place at the wrong time.

But this rioting against US Consulates, along with other Western consulates is just....wrong....hell....it's ****ing stupid.

Although, I couldn't help but notice that the countries in which this is happening (hardcore rioting) suffer from high unemployment and very unstable.

America had its role in 1971. And yet, we never participated in any anti-American activities whatsoever.

I don't know....

Maybe America has done (logically) something very wrong in the Middle East? May be more then one wrong? And no, it's not just the Israeli-Palestinian issue. It's way more. Way more......Maybe the Americans are stupid or ignorant? Maybe both? Who knows?

Ah well, people ultimately become victims of their own malice. And we shouldn't make that mistake. Also, some of those Middle Easterners REALLY need to learn to be.....you know....less extreme?

America is a very dangerous country. And attracts a lot of attention wherever it goes. So much so, enough to have some serious security issues in itself any beyond.

We simply can't afford to have that kind of attention. It's bad enough for us already.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Infidel (literally "one without faith") wikipedia

people indoctrinated in this belief of Infidel and Believers resonate themselves with the above definition and not what you said.

Haha you are education us by posting wikipedia links the one even you and I can update with our version of meaning. Try Oxford or Merriam Webster.

ps. bad try on your part.

 

[karan.1970]

Every country has some bad people. So let me get this straight, is it okay to generalize as big as 'all muslims are guilty'??

Just like people are blaming all Americans for the movie made by 1. And do read the text and understand what the OP is calling Muslims guilty of...

Are you kidding us..

INFIDEL...Meaning (defined by western dictionaries):
A person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own.

How is it filled with hate and derogatory.

Its the usage issue.. else P aki is also a correct terminology for residents of Pakistan.. But since its been globally used in a derogatory manner, its considered a racial slur and is banned here..

 

[Leviza]

Just like people are blaming all Americans for the movie made by 1. And do read the text and understand what the OP is calling Muslims guilty of...

its the same fate Americans are getting back, what they said about Muslims and Islam that all are terrorist.

Americans are now known as non-friendly, killers, anti-Islam and barbaric people.

 

[Luftwaffe]

I agree, Mr. Stevens was there at the wrong place at the wrong time.

But this rioting against US Consulates, along with other Western consulates is just....wrong....hell....it's ****ing stupid.

Although, I couldn't help but notice that the countries in which this is happening (hardcore rioting) suffer from high unemployment and very unstable.

America had its role in 1971. And yet, we never participated in any anti-American activities whatsoever.

I don't know....

Maybe America has done (logically) something very wrong in the Middle East? May be more then one wrong? And no, it's not just the Israeli-Palestinian issue. It's way more. Way more......Maybe the Americans are stupid or ignorant? Maybe both? Who knows?

Ah well, people ultimately become victims of their own malice. And we shouldn't make that mistake. Also, some of those Middle Easterners REALLY need to learn to be.....you know....less extreme?

America is a very dangerous country. And attracts a lot of attention wherever it goes. So much so, enough to have some serious security issues in itself any beyond.

We simply can't afford to have that kind of attention. It's bad enough for us already.

Does it mean US would attack any country it feels threaten and bomb the hell outta it. You cannot educate people like that and you certainly cannot change the trend, had it been easy things would have been normal but you see terry jones he was out there like a mad man with his azzh*** community about Quran burning...did american government stopped him No, the responsibility lies of US as well it needs to stop its people from inciting hate and false information distribution. This is not religious Thread nor allowed but IF you read old testament as well as new it has content that will shock you people...

Ask solomon does not old testament forced Moses to smash people's heads enter 7 cities and kill all is there any thing more shocking that entering cities and killing people children-youth-women-men-old.

Now blame all jews for what Moses did to those cities in old testament does it make sense? No. So why open a stupid Thread by a stupid hell bent person who has nothing but preach and post hate in most Threads.

Moderators where ever you are ban-close this Thread.

 

[timetravel]

Haha you are education us by posting wikipedia links the one even you and I can update with our version of meaning. Try Oxford or Merriam Webster.

ps. bad try on your part.

I am not interested in Oxford dictionary meaning of Infidel. I am interested in meaning of Infidel from Islamic teaching point of view and what kids learn about other faiths when they are told to call other faiths people Infidel

its not about wiki or oxford.. its the common perception. infact how many billions look upto oxford dictionary for theoretical meaning of infidel..

the literal and real meaning of indifel for the people (except for the few oxford graduates) is exactly what I said - non believers

it remains a derogatory word for me even now that you have presented the oxford dictionary language to me.

and why do you want to label non Muslims? you can call your own faith people by any name it pleases you. I don't want you to name call me. When you teach your kids teach them about Islam, why mention anything about other faiths? why tell them other faiths are Infidels? Why being other faiths into Islam teaching?

It is a derogatory word and attempt at downgrading other faiths. Label-ling other faiths is not good. I don't want to Label Muslims and I dont want anyone to label my faith.

Also can you tell me - why the need to call others Infidel when teaching Islam(or any other religion) to Children?.Islam scholars must drop this word from Islamic teachings and teach that all faiths people are believers in God. They should also teach that all gods are equal and that we pray to same God with different names. Anyone who believes in any God is a believer.

and as you say this word is not important, then I believe it has no significance in Islamic teachings and so should be easy to drop.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Just like people are blaming all Americans for the movie made by 1. And do read the text and understand what the OP is calling Muslims guilty of...

Its the usage issue.. else P aki is also a correct terminology for residents of Pakistan.. But since its been globally used in a derogatory manner, its considered a racial slur and is banned here..

Then educate those pak-is, I don't consider hindu-pak-is as racial slurs or derogatory it doesn't hurt me. usage is not the issue i believe people need to educate themselves to understand the meaning first this will solve the problem of usage.

 

[Solomon2]

...is there any thing more shocking that entering cities and killing people children-youth-women-men-old.

Now blame all jews for what Moses did to those cities in old testament does it make sense? No. So why open a stupid Thread by a stupid hell bent person who has nothing but preach and post hate in most Threads.

Because the killing you talk about is from generations past and distant descendants can't be held liable for their acts, yet the violent response of Muslims to inflammatory speech is an evil that can be challenged and fought by you and I, today - and should be our duty to do so, if we care anything about justice.

 

[Windjammer]

Muslim need to learn respect other religion if they want other to respect them...they need to learn tolerance...and should learn to ignore what other say or do about Islam...

Tell me about it......how do Muslims mock other religion or for that matter not respect them. !!

Did Muslim tare down any ancient Mandirs or made controversial movies on any religious head or symbol. ??

And please don't drag those scum Talibans into the argument.

 

[xyxmt]

If a religion teaches to call people of other religion as infidels just because they are not followers of your religion, then that religion is nothing but a cult and it's followers are nothing but fanboys..

you got pissed off because "he" called you infidel, then you start calling "my" religion a cult and "me" a fanboy.
you are teaching tolerance??
this is the problem when it comes down to me and my religion I become protector of my religion and will call others names, but if the others do the same thing I start teaching tolerance....you see the problem here, you are same as those who killed the ambassador.

everyone is same only difference is some of us are at the wrong place at the wrong time, those who didnt kill Ambassador Steven didnt do it because they were good human, but because they were too far away in a different country. all human are animals, just time and palce have to be right, be it a christian killing muslim woman because she was wearing head scarf or hindus raping or killing muslim girl because she is a muslim. Its not the religion its people provided an opportunity exist to show their inner beast.