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MiG 29K crash followed 8 years of engine troubles & frustration about performance
MANU PUBBY 3 January, 2018

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Fire fighter try to douse a crashed MiG-29 K fighter | PTI Photo
The crash occurred at the Goa airbase after a pilot aborted take-off during a training sortie. The pilot managed to exit the cockpit.

New Delhi: The troubled MiG 29K fleet of the Indian Navy saw its first accident Wednesday, eight years after the fighter was inducted into service as India’s first supersonic carrier-borne combat aircraft. The crash occurred at the Goa airbase after a pilot aborted take-off during a training sortie.

When the pilot tried to bring the accelerating fighter to a halt due to a suspected technical fault, the jet veered off the runway and caught fire. A major incident was averted, with Navy fire-fighters managing to douse the flames before the 6.5 tonnes on fuel on board the aircraft exploded.

Sources said the pilot managed to exit the cockpit after the fighter came to a halt after veering off the runway, and the aircraft is likely to be dragged back to a hanger within a day or two to carry out detailed damage assessment. Contrary to earlier reports, the pilot did not use the ejection seat to exit the aircraft, and was able to exit on his own by jettisoning the canopy.

Previous problems
The MiG 29K fleet was commissioned in 2010 and has a slightly better air safety record than the last Russian fighters to be inducted, the Sukhoi Su-30 MKI. The first Sukhoi loss occurred after seven years of service in 2009.

However, the Indian MiG 29K has been marred by a series of problems since induction, prompting the Navy to look for alternate fighters in the short-term future. In fact, the Navy is expected to issue tenders to procure 57 new fighter aircraft by the middle of this year for operations from existing and future aircraft carriers.

Designed specifically for Indian requirements, the MiG 29K has suffered from several engine failures since its induction, with the Navy repeatedly raising the matter during interaction with the Russian government. In the latest top-level meeting between the two sides last month too, the dismal state of the fighter fleet was discussed.

In the past, there have been at least ten cases in which engine failures have occurred during flight, resulting in a landing with just one functional engine. A recent audit report revealed that out of the 65 engines that India received from Russia for the fleet, at least 40 had to be rejected or withdrawn from service due to technical problems.

Deficiencies have also been seen in the airframe and fly-by wire system of the aircraft. The key parameter that the fleet has failed is the availability rate – the percentage of total aircraft that are ready for operations at any given time.

For the fleet, this availability rate was pegged at a record low of 15.9 per cent to 37.6 per cent between 2010 and 2014, perhaps the lowest for any fighter jet in the Indian inventory.
A frustrated Navy had suggested design improvements and modifications for the fighter almost on a sortie to sortie basis, leading to long periods in which the aircraft did not fly.

Of late, however, the fleet availability had seen some improvement, with senior officers commending its performance during the Malabar exercise with US and Japan in July last year.
 
According to Indians their Migs are superior than Russian Su 33
 
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Indian will claim its China fault for their MiG-29K crashed. The mig-29K is so superior that can only be fault by Chinese voodoo and sabotage. :enjoy:

It will not be longed a MiG-29K crashes onboard their INS vickey mouse carrier.
 
MiG 29K crash followed 8 years of engine troubles & frustration about performance
MANU PUBBY 3 January, 2018

2018_1img03_Jan_2018_PTI1_3_2018_000146B-696x435.jpg

Fire fighter try to douse a crashed MiG-29 K fighter | PTI Photo
The crash occurred at the Goa airbase after a pilot aborted take-off during a training sortie. The pilot managed to exit the cockpit.

New Delhi: The troubled MiG 29K fleet of the Indian Navy saw its first accident Wednesday, eight years after the fighter was inducted into service as India’s first supersonic carrier-borne combat aircraft. The crash occurred at the Goa airbase after a pilot aborted take-off during a training sortie.

When the pilot tried to bring the accelerating fighter to a halt due to a suspected technical fault, the jet veered off the runway and caught fire. A major incident was averted, with Navy fire-fighters managing to douse the flames before the 6.5 tonnes on fuel on board the aircraft exploded.

Sources said the pilot managed to exit the cockpit after the fighter came to a halt after veering off the runway, and the aircraft is likely to be dragged back to a hanger within a day or two to carry out detailed damage assessment. Contrary to earlier reports, the pilot did not use the ejection seat to exit the aircraft, and was able to exit on his own by jettisoning the canopy.

Previous problems
The MiG 29K fleet was commissioned in 2010 and has a slightly better air safety record than the last Russian fighters to be inducted, the Sukhoi Su-30 MKI. The first Sukhoi loss occurred after seven years of service in 2009.

However, the Indian MiG 29K has been marred by a series of problems since induction, prompting the Navy to look for alternate fighters in the short-term future. In fact, the Navy is expected to issue tenders to procure 57 new fighter aircraft by the middle of this year for operations from existing and future aircraft carriers.

Designed specifically for Indian requirements, the MiG 29K has suffered from several engine failures since its induction, with the Navy repeatedly raising the matter during interaction with the Russian government. In the latest top-level meeting between the two sides last month too, the dismal state of the fighter fleet was discussed.

In the past, there have been at least ten cases in which engine failures have occurred during flight, resulting in a landing with just one functional engine. A recent audit report revealed that out of the 65 engines that India received from Russia for the fleet, at least 40 had to be rejected or withdrawn from service due to technical problems.

Deficiencies have also been seen in the airframe and fly-by wire system of the aircraft. The key parameter that the fleet has failed is the availability rate – the percentage of total aircraft that are ready for operations at any given time.

For the fleet, this availability rate was pegged at a record low of 15.9 per cent to 37.6 per cent between 2010 and 2014, perhaps the lowest for any fighter jet in the Indian inventory.
A frustrated Navy had suggested design improvements and modifications for the fighter almost on a sortie to sortie basis, leading to long periods in which the aircraft did not fly.

Of late, however, the fleet availability had seen some improvement, with senior officers commending its performance during the Malabar exercise with US and Japan in July last year.



The Mig-29K is indeed turning out to be a horror story for the Indian Navy. The aircraft is different from its IAF counterpart in a number of ways. The engines were a known problem even in the Russian K models but the fly by wire issue is new to me.

As for the availability, man thats just too low, anything less than 65% is simply not acceptable for a reputable airforce, or naval force.
 
i believe its more of an india problem than a russia problem, malaysia, algeria and eygpt all have the latest variants of the su-30 and/or the mig 29 and have incurred no major problems.
 
India had real problems with russian engines specially those of Mig 21, 27 ,29/29K-KUB & Su30MKI & its tranport fleet and that's why IAF started looking towards wertern platforms cause russian engines are really very very hard to mantain and its even more hard to get spares on time due to irratic indian and russian beurocracy

According to them Tejas is the most modern fighter in present times.
you sir are a miltary professional i thought from a better remark from yu but ok patriotism does takes over pwr senses some times :sarcastic:

for problems with Mig29K series is the main reason why now IN wants two full squads of RafaleM for INS VIKRANT (IAC1)
 
India had real problems with russian engines specially those of Mig 21, 27 ,29/29K-KUB & Su30MKI & its tranport fleet and that's why IAF started looking towards wertern platforms cause russian engines are really very very hard to mantain and its even more hard to get spares on time due to irratic indian and russian beurocracy

We have not encountered such problems with Russian engines on our 100 odd JF17s.
 
We have not encountered such problems with Russian engines on our 100 odd JF17s.
thats what you are told by ISPR ... but OK why should i be least botherred cause unlike PAF an avrage indian fighter is flown 2.5 times more every year as every single jet is used by three to four diffrent pilots to train and each fighter pilot clocks at least 250 flying hours in a fighter jet but ok pakistanies can make fun and get sarcastic fun from indian mig 29K's issue no problem with us :D :tup::sarcastic:
 
thats what you are told by ISPR ... but OK why should i be least botherred cause unlike PAF an avrage indian fighter is flown 2.5 times more every year as every single jet is used by three to four diffrent pilots to train and each fighter pilot clocks at least 250 flying hours in a fighter jet but ok pakistanies can make fun and get sarcastic fun from indian mig 29K's issue no problem with us :D :tup::sarcastic:


I don't need ISPR to tell me. I got my own sources. PAF is satisfied with Russian engines powering our JFs.
 
I don't need ISPR to tell me. I got my own sources. PAF is satisfied with Russian engines powering our JFs.
well no information about pakistani defnce comes out intil ISPR clears it its a hard fact about pakistan bit OK OK you can dream and still belive it as ultimate truth who cares :sarcastic:
 
well no information about pakistani defnce comes out intil ISPR clears it its a hard fact about pakistan bit OK OK you can dream and still belive it as ultimate truth who cares :sarcastic:


How old are you kid? You need ISPR to tell the world if the PAF is satisfied with the Russian engine on JF17? What next?

The FACT is, 100 odd JF17 are flying with Russian engines without any problem. Your original arugment that your airforce experience with Russian engine is because of their low quality is really a non starter. Its your own incompetency, nothing more, nothing less.
 
How old are you kid? You need ISPR to tell the world if the PAF is satisfied with the Russian engine on JF17? What next?

The FACT is, 100 odd JF17 are flying with Russian engines without any problem. Your original arugment that your airforce experience with Russian engine is because of their low quality is really a non starter. Its your own incompetency, nothing more, nothing less.
well you can belive in what you want too i am no judge :haha:

point is there is hell lot if diffrence between a carrier based enigne which has to deal with salt water vapour and other issues which are not a problem on a shore based fighter and avrage Mig29K/KUB clocks more than 2.5 times more flying hours annualy than an avrage JF17 of PAF so more wear and tear but you will not under stand than either :azn:

so instead of bieng holier than thou try to use logic all saughts of fight training and landings & mock combats are by these Mig29Ks and most of them are already on verge of there shelf life cause the plan was to replace them with better jets (read 4.5++ or 5th gen jets as and when they come ) rest keep speculating
 
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