The top 20 Navies - in your opinions?

[timetravel]

Key point: only indigenous tech count.


If no, Saudi or Ethiopia or Solomon Islands would become #2 if it buys a CV, Aegis destroyers, and some N-subs from the US.

Or for another example who has the most powerful racing-cars, Ferrari or I? I surely, if i buy several top line Ferrari from Ferrari to pitch against the average Ferrari from Ferrari then? Even if My Ferrari lose to Ferrari, i am still more powerful than Nissan, Renault, WV, Ford then? clearly as anyone can see that this is not rational as imported tech should not count.

So it's critical for any ranking that all key and turnkey technolgies and sub-systems such as radars, missiles & other major weapon systems, n-reactres, other power-systems, ship-borne planes, AWACs, HELOs, etc, etc, MUST be indigenous.

This, seperates the true naval powers and the wannabes.

USA - Audi
France - Porsche
Russia - BMW
UK - Jaguar

But China is just Geely (means an infant, no not even that, but just toddler in front of USA/France/Russia/UK/Germany/korea/Japan)

and India is Audi/Porshe/BMW/Tata combined

and when 1000 Gely fight it out with 100 Audi/Porshe/BMW/Tata car in a race the the 1000 Gely get ranks from 101 to 1100.
The first 100 Ranks go to Audi/Porshe/BMW.

and actually of the 1000, 700-800 Gely do not even finish the race and breakdown halfway..

That's the actual outcome of the RACE when Audi/Porsche/BMW and Gelies race. any doubts!!

So remember Gely (China) cant win any race against Audi/Porsche/BMW/Tata (India) anyone.

Infact Gely should not even be allowed to compete with Audi/Porsche/BMW. its just not fair to the crowd I mean.

now you get the idea where China stands in front of India.

 

[RIMPAC]

Key point: only indigenous tech count.


If no, Saudi or Ethiopia or Solomon Islands would become #2 if it buys a CV, Aegis destroyers, and some N-subs from the US.

Or for another example who has the most powerful racing-cars, Ferrari or I? I surely, if i buy several top line Ferrari from Ferrari to pitch against the average Ferrari from Ferrari then? Even if My Ferrari lose to Ferrari, i am still more powerful than Nissan, Renault, WV, Ford then? clearly as anyone can see that this is not rational as imported tech should not count.

So it's critical for any ranking that all key and turnkey technolgies and sub-systems such as radars, missiles & other major weapon systems, n-reactres, other power-systems, ship-borne planes, AWACs, HELOs, etc, etc, MUST be indigenous.

This, seperates the true naval powers and the wannabes.


Then we have:


1. US


2. Russia & China & UK & France & Japan - roughly in the same league currently with Russia in the lead.

- Russia: the quality and the quantity of Russia N-subs renders it the leader of this group, even though its surface fleet is less advanced than the rest.


- China: the quality and size of advanced Aegis-equivalent surface fleet are fastly catching up, with the biggest growth momentum in this group.

- UK / France: about the same level on N-subs (UK's missiles are imported from the US though, same with ship-borne warplanes F-35 and possible AWACs)... UK better at destroyers while FR has a CV.

- Japan : current Aegis surface fleet, the largest within the group, is even better than Russia and China(some areas of key tech such as Aegis radar, missiles, etc. depending on the US though)...coventional subs are amongst teh top of the world and with decent quantity, but lacking critical N-subs and CV capabilities due to restrictions.

Within 5-10 years,however, China would likely become #1 in this group due to sheer incease of numbers of Aegis-equivalent destroyers and CVs(tranditional and/or n-powered). its N-subs, despite of improvement, may be still behind Russia/UK during the said time frame, though.


The rest are jokes : either too small to compare, or with >90% key tech imported, I mean "indigenous" in case of India, from above countries.

Quoted for truth.

 

[sarthak]

1) Bangladesh Navy
2) Bangladesh Coast guard
3) Bangladesh Hilsa Fish catchers
4) Bangladesh flood rescue force
The rest don't matter.

 

[RIMPAC]

Which is blue navy which is blue blue deep purple navy? It’s all blah blah. Show what you have!

It depends on what weight one puts on N-subs in the full picture though. I rate n-subs highly that’s why putting Russia ahead. Russia is definitely behind China on surface ships, quality-wise, and its increasingly becoming apparent in the next several years.

Taking n-subs out, one can get entirely different ranking like

1. US.
2. France & Japan
4. China & UK
6. Russia

btw, what Indian navy is indigenously good at ? At French sonar? Or Israeli radar? Or Russian missiles? Or Italian fire control? Or British BAE torpedoes, steel or maingun? Or American engines? Or DRDO’s press conference?

Oh, almost forgot, Or “the courage in Somalia”?

The bold part is so true. India don't have ANY 'indigenous' weapons. It's all imported subcomponents put together.
India still don't have the capability to reverse engineer. That's how backward the indian defence industry is. Reverse engineering is complex, not everyone can do it. Even Iran can do it.

 

[Alphacharlie]

The bold part is so true. India don't have ANY 'indigenous' weapons. It's all imported subcomponents put together.
India still don't have the capability to reverse engineer. That's how backward the indian defence industry is. Reverse engineering is complex, not everyone can do it. Even Iran can do it.

China is Best with All Copied or Infrengment of Copy Rights..........way to Go China

 

[RIMPAC]

China is Best with All Copied or Infrengment of Copy Rights..........way to Go China

China reverse engineered decade ago, now all subcomponents are build in China by our own defence industry.

 

[Alphacharlie]

China reverse engineered decade ago, now all subcomponents are build in China by our own defence industry.

One more Bullshit article, Net is flooded with Chinese Copying starting from Su 27 to Stealing Blue Prints of F35....
China cliams to have made J20 indegenously - DAM Engine is From Russia Still.. DONT give me Gloryfied srubbish on WS13.

You have even started Copying Kilos...still the Yuan Class is sitting in HAT...

No Western Country Wants to Sell a Dam Missile to China - Rationale it will be copied and sold.

Mr Han There is A Saying Bullshit Walks..Fits Best on your Incomrehensive Comments....

 

[kurup]

what courage? you mean insisting curry breakfast being hostages?

Fetus eaters shouldn't be mocking about other's eating habits ..........

 

[SajeevJino]

Somewhere I found.

The current, ten most power ful navies in the world are:
1. U.S. 4th Fleet.
2. U.S. 2nd Fleet
3. U.S. 7th Fleet
4. U.S. 3rd Fleet
5. U.S. 6th Fleet
6. U.S. 3rd Fleet
7. U.K. Royal Fleet
6. Japan
7. South Korea
8. Taiwan
9. India
10. Italy

where is Russian Fleet

 

[Indrajith]

The bold part is so true. India don't have ANY 'indigenous' weapons. It's all imported subcomponents put together.
India still don't have the capability to reverse engineer. That's how backward the indian defence industry is. Reverse engineering is complex, not everyone can do it. Even Iran can do it.

Being a socialist & communist I always adored China, but seeing this type of lunatics i feel pitty on that Great country --- Tell me any descent country who is buying chinees defense products ( dont tell me cash strapped Pakistan or African countries )

Just read the following

The problem that the Chinese face with aircraft platforms is that most of their stuff isn’t that spectacular,” said Richard Bitinger, a former CIA analyst. “It’s functional and, I suppose, relatively cheap, but the market is awash in reasonably priced competitors — used F-16s and the Gripen, for example. Also, most countries will refuse to buy Chinese fighters because they can probably afford something better, and those who cannot afford to buy better are unlikely to buy anything rather than buy Chinese fighters.”

It is like chinees toys every body can afford but nobody wants it

 

[Neptune]

1- US NAVY
2- US Pacific Fleet
3- US NAVEUR
4- RUSSIAN NAVY
5- ROYAL NAVY
6- PLA NAVY
7- INDIAN NAVY
8- JAPANESSE NAVY
9- FRENCH NAVY
10- ROYAL KOREAN NAVY
11- TURKISH NAVY
12- SPANISH NAVY
13- ITALIAN NAVY
14- BRAZILIAN NAVY
15- ROYAL DUTCH NAVY
16- ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVY
17- ?
18- ?
19- US Coast Guard
20- Somalian Pirates

P.S that's the list. Please quote your opinions, thoughts and fixures. Thx.

 

[kawaraj]

what a joke, Indian navy ahead of Japanese navy? OMG....

 

[Hack-Hook]

Somewhere I found.

The current, ten most power ful navies in the world are:
1. U.S. 4th Fleet.
2. U.S. 2nd Fleet
3. U.S. 7th Fleet
4. U.S. 3rd Fleet
5. U.S. 6th Fleet
6. U.S. 3rd Fleet
7. U.K. Royal Fleet
6. Japan
7. South Korea
8. Taiwan
9. India
10. Italy

well I think U.S. 7th Fleet is stronger than U.S. 4th Fleet

 

[Raphael]

Disturbingly high levels of Indian asshurt in this thread

1) US
2) Russia
3) UK
4) France
5) Japan
6) China
7) South Korea
8) Italy
9) India
10) Brazil

This is probably the most accurate list. Emphasis on the big gap between 1-2 and 6-7.

 

[Neptune]

what a joke, Indian navy ahead of Japanese navy? OMG....

yes. In terms of technology Japan wins. But India isn't bad in tech too. Also it overhelms Japan when it comes to numbers. But like you my personal view is like yours.