The Tejas fighter’s role in war

[Kurama]

Time for high school.

Why don't you arrange a dogfight with your best fighter to tejas after foc, you will come to know.

 

[IND151]

If the LCA is so good does the IAF still need the Rafale?

Hmmm.....because Rafael is medium weight fighter and Tejas is light weight Fighter?

 

[Manticore]

hey buddy, let me tell u an instance when we sent an aircraft in pakistani airspace, PAf was waiting 4 us but couldnt do shit when it encountered the IAF aircraft, here it goes
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In May 1997, an Indian Air Force Mikoyan MiG-25RB reconnaissance aircraft created a furor when the pilot flew faster than Mach 2 over Pakistani territory following a reconnaissance mission into Pakistan airspace.[51] The MiG-25 broke the sound barrier while flying at an altitude of around 65,000 feet, otherwise the mission would have remained covert, at least to the general public. The Pakistan Government considered the breaking of the sound barrier was deliberate to make the point that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had no aircraft in its inventory which can come close to the MiG-25's cruising altitude (up to 74,000 feet). India denied the incident but Pakistan's Foreign Minister, Gohar Ayub Khan, believed that the Foxbat photographed strategic installations near the capital, Islamabad.
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now u are again saying that u will wait


were pakistanis happy when we inducted agni 5, k-15, INS Arihant, INS Vikrant and INS Vikramaditya into our arsenal?

please dont derail the thread-- members can start these kinds of videos to counter you -- neither thoses videos nor your mig25 are on topic

 

[SrNair]

Time for high school.

@sreekumar

Its good industrial experiance for India. After FOC it still would need time to mature. I'm just amused at the 'overblown' capability analysis by Indian folks.

You still have a small a/c with one of the world's most powerful/gas guzzler engine. Even with IFR it would have to carry EFTs, compromising its performance.

Just an example .Arjun mki take about 15 years of development due to sabotage of corrupt officials and technical problems.But Arjun mk2 too k onlt 2 years and prototype is ready.
Sorry for offtopic.
Same goes to LCA Tejas.Our base design is complete upgrading is not that tough because we master in basic systems.Develop a 4..5 generation aircraft indeed a challenge.
But no one use this much of composite material in a smaller class aircraft.That indeed an advantage.
It is purely our design and way different than other delta wing design.You are right after FOC it will take time.But at the time of FOC it become absolutely a 4.5 generation fighter a.Unlike JF-17 it uses quadraplex digital FBW system.It indeed is perfect.It is developed locally.

We dont want to go anywhere.We just take the opinion of ACM of IAF in 2011 and ACM in 2013.
Our AF satisfied so it is better aircraft and remember about quality SU-30mki is better than its base version.
EFT effects will nullify buy usage of powerful radar.But

 

[IND151]

I smelled methane from the brain... and yes it was exactly that. Not only is Shukla as usual on his self fellatio of which most of his article consists of(thank god he isnt an actual professional).. he also has written NOTHING of value on the Role the Tejas might take.

The Tejas is the light component in India's arsenal.. but it does not mean it wont undertake critical missions. Specifically it will be well suited to provide embedded escort for Jaguar DARINs whilst taking up the crucial local CAP role away from the more offensive oriented fighters such as the MKIs and Rafales. Its smaller size also may give it quicker turnaround time for FLOT(forward line of troops) CAS sorties. A secondary role that the Tejas might take is that of holding the fort on the eastern border. There is nothing on the eastern border of India that the Tejas cannot handle effectively and it is well suited as an asset there.

MRCA will be posted there first, I think.

Tejas fighters will first replace MiG 21s and MiG 27s (120+ Total) and then I think they will deploy on eastern border.

 

[Kompromat]

Why don't you arrange a dogfight with your best fighter to tejas after foc, you will come to know.

Thats why i said, send em up we'll wait. Delta wings bleed enormous energy during High G ACM. JF-17s conventional design bleeds less energy, sustains Gs better and has a higher AOA. Its calculated 360o turn time is identical to the F-16s.

It can fly a lot longer than the Tejas without refueling, which means that Tejas would have to disengage to refuel or eject.

 

[Srinivas]

Time for high school.

@sreekumar

Its good industrial experiance for India. After FOC it still would need time to mature. I'm just amused at the 'overblown' capability analysis by Indian folks.

You still have a small a/c with one of the world's most powerful/gas guzzler engine. Even with IFR it would have to carry EFTs, compromising its performance.

Tejas can carry fuel in its delta wings which can accommodate more fuel.

 

[Kurama]

Thats why i said, send em up we'll wait. Delta wings bleed enormous energy during High G ACM. JF-17s conventional design bleeds less energy, sustains Gs better and has a higher AOA. Its calculated 360o turn time is identical to the F-16s.

It can fly a lot longer than the Tejas without refueling, which means that Tejas would have to disengage to refuel or eject.

Yes it will bleed more but it has unstable delta wing that means it is has super maneuverability compared to traditional fighter. Plus tejas has very low signature and has one of very best radar system. it will track JF 17 from long distance and after it is capable of firing Python and derby. It will shoot down Jf 17 like a piece of cake. It will easy get back of JF 17 and shoot it down .It can also take 360 turn and is comparable to MKI's. and it's AOA will increase to 28 degrees.
don't worry.

 

[IND151]

Thats why i said, send em up we'll wait. Delta wings bleed enormous energy during High G ACM. JF-17s conventional design bleeds less energy, sustains Gs better and has a higher AOA. Its calculated 360o turn time is identical to the F-16s.

It can fly a lot longer than the Tejas without refueling, which means that Tejas would have to disengage to refuel or eject.

But it has less powerful engine while being heavier than Tejas.

Both MK 1 and MK 2 has more powerful engines (8,800 KG and 9983 KG). Add to that the fact that RD-93 faces issue related to Afterburner which means it will not be able to use afterburner for long time.

Tejas has better Thrust to weight ratio (0.95 vs 1.07).

Till FOC its AoA will be increased (its 28 degree as of now).

 

[Manticore]

But it has less powerful engine while being heavier than Tejas.

Both MK 1 and MK 2 has more powerful engines (8,800 KG and 9983 KG). Add to that the fact that RD-93 faces issue related to Afterburner which means it will not be able to use afterburner for long time.

Tejas has better Thrust to weight ratio (0.95 vs 1.07).

Till FOC its AoA will be increased (its 28 degree as of now).

Delta design faces greater drag hence the requirement of greater thrust -- to what extent, I dont know

As of now the AoA is 28??

 

[IND151]

Delta design faces greater drag hence the requirement of greater thrust -- to what extent, I dont know

Thanks.

BTW old avatar was better.

(Are you ANTIBODY?)

 

[Manticore]

Thanks.

BTW old avatar was better.

(Are you ANTIBODY?)

yes I am AB

pink floyd is evergreen, man

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Delta design faces greater drag hence the requirement of greater thrust -- to what extent, I dont know

As of now the AoA is 28??

Delta design faces very less drag compared to the conventional design. The reason for bleeding energy is because of the larger surface area of the wings.

The Delta has superior climb performance compared to the conventional design and hence the Delta wing planeform fighters usually try to fight in the vertical doing slashing attacks. You yourself have posted about the different ACM of different aircrafts and it has been clearly said in that.

The Delta has a very high ITR compared to the STR and this is caused because of the increased airflow on the wings and because the delta has a larger surface area it is simple friction that slows it down. This is offsetted by adding extra control surfaces like the canards and levcons to take advantage of the vortices and extra surface area to maintain energy.

Energy is life in aircombat. The one who loses energy is the one who will be shot first. Fighter aircrafts are like sharks..they need to swim forward to stay alive...that is how it works.

 

[Last Samuri]

Most of the modern better 4th generation fighters are all DELTA designed.

be it Typhoon Rafale Gripen or J10. and INDEED indians very own Tejas.

Delta fighters HAVE PROVEN TO BE better aero dynamically especially at high altitude then those designed with smaller wings like JF17 MIG21 F7 & F16..

Aeronaut i doubt the europeans and chinease & indians all made a mistake in going delta on their designs.

its the reverse DELTA is more capable...

When you couple thje delta design with the tejas FCS you have incredible agility...

far more than the alloy small winged thunder and stable design airframe which is dated and a cost saving excercise on the part of the thunder programme

 

[Archie]

If the LCA is so good does the IAF still need the Rafale?

Read the Article again
IAF has 254 Mig 21 fighters ie 12 Sqds currently in service as per AK Antony Indian Defence Minister
Now these fighters will be replaced by 74 Su30MKI and 40+83 Tejas , thats 10 Sqds
Indian Air force also happens to operate 90 Mig27 and 120+29 Jaguars(IS and IN), Thats another 12 Sqds of basically ground attack aircrafts
India will induct 40 Tejas N to replace Jaguar INs
while 126 Rafales are expected to replace all 5 Mig 27 Sqds and 2 Jaguar IS Sqds
The option for 63 more Rafales is in case of any delay with FGFA

If you do the maths you will see that over the next 10-12 yrs IAF will retire 446 Fighters( 47 Jaguars inducted between 2001-2008 will be retired in 2030+) These will be replaced by 363 Fighters(163 LCA, 74 Su30mki, 126 Rafales) The remaining Gap of 80+ Fighters is supposed to be filled by FGFA , 144 of which are planned to be inducted by 2030