The Spy Chronicles - Book Review by Dr Naeem Mushtaq

[Umair Nawaz]

Anyone having the soft copy or the link of this book. Please share.

 

[somebozo]

Balochistan really has more American and israeli presence then RAW's or Irani VEVAK's.....Problem is hum log RAW k kandhy pr bandook rakh k MOSAD or CIA ko cover krty hain....because they r simply too powerful n resourceful. Their target is CPEC hence why china is also present there, it co-ordinates its activities with Pakistan for protection of CPEC in Balochistan

Balochistan is strategic..and the reason why USA is there is to fix the loose state of Pakistan..its either fix our act..or lose the country...

 

[Sine Nomine]

there r plenty of carrier spies both civil n military in ISI

There are no career spies in Army,except in MI. Which they won't lend to ISI,because here again inter services rivalry and one's own performance comes at play.

CI of ISI is very strong , things which doesn't come out in public not means that there is lack of work or collaboration there , IB is more focused on political activities which costs us much more plus many senior IB officials are from police cadre who doesn't want to give space and they are there due to political affiliations.

Our CI and methods are both weak and ancient.
IB has it's own officer cadre,they don't loan people's from Police.There DG level desk is very politicised though.

And amry personals rotate between ISI and MI like 5 years there 5 years here

No sir,it's 3 years and MI never loans there best to ISI.

 

[Tps43]

There are no career spies in Army,except in MI. Which they won't lend to ISI,because here again inter services rivalry and one's own performance comes at play.

Our CI and methods are both weak and ancient.
IB has it's own officer cadre,they don't loan people's from Police.There DG level desk is very politicised though.

No sir,it's 3 years and MI never loans there best to ISI.

And who says MI doesnt loan officers to MI . Mi doest that.
Almost all officers in ISI in SIW or Ops are carrer officers.
I dont know when was last time u got ur info regarding ISI . ZaheerulIslam did a lot damage to working menthod of CI . heck he finished that wing . It was rizwan who retrieved it back and In less then 1 year of revival u got kulbhsan who was Reward for CI.
IB has its own officers but 21 grade and 22nd grade officers are mostly from police cadre .
IB is not what u think about it , IB lost many things during last 10 years and gained very little

There are no career spies in Army,except in MI. Which they won't lend to ISI,because here again inter services rivalry and one's own performance comes at play.

Our CI and methods are both weak and ancient.
IB has it's own officer cadre,they don't loan people's from Police.There DG level desk is very politicised though.

No sir,it's 3 years and MI never loans there best to ISI.

There is no much difference between ISI and MI much even there designations are same

 

[Umair Nawaz]

CI of ISI is very strong , things which doesn't come out in public not means that there is lack of work or collaboration there , IB is more focused on political activities which costs us much more plus many senior IB officials are from police cadre who doesn't want to give space and they are there due to political affiliations.




CMI = corp of mill intellegnce is proper branch of army who are specialized
And amry personals rotate between ISI and MI like 5 years there 5 years here.
As far as PAF and PN is concerned in ISI there participation lacks but somehow PN have better ratio then Paf . Paf lacks there the most actually the thing is ISI have no say in promotion of these 2 services so people avoid it . I have seen many brillant operators and officers but alas they giveup ISI because for them its like running without a cause.


No , there biggest influence is in punjab . U will be suprised to read this

if so among whom?

 

[Tps43]

if so among whom?

Shia sunni doesnt matter . They have alot of influence in all kind of politicians hailing from south and north punjab.

Interior and foreign ministries as well.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

CI of ISI is very strong , things which doesn't come out in public not means that there is lack of work or collaboration there , IB is more focused on political activities which costs us much more plus many senior IB officials are from police cadre who doesn't want to give space and they are there due to political affiliations.




CMI = corp of mill intellegnce is proper branch of army who are specialized
And amry personals rotate between ISI and MI like 5 years there 5 years here.
As far as PAF and PN is concerned in ISI there participation lacks but somehow PN have better ratio then Paf . Paf lacks there the most actually the thing is ISI have no say in promotion of these 2 services so people avoid it . I have seen many brillant operators and officers but alas they giveup ISI because for them its like running without a cause.


No , there biggest influence is in punjab . U will be suprised to read this

What we actually need is a new proper civilian military mix external intelligence agency much like RAW, CIA........This inter services intelligence concept is outdated and has passed its life and worthiness.
To combat modern changes and challenges of 4/5th gen warfare, we need full civilian military grip specially through street smart individuals like this Dulat. Who can shape narratives n r bold as well....we need to have ability to fully micromanage media as well as to whats being reported there n how it should be reported......Army or armed forces officers/jawans lack big brains and above all street smartness. We need people like Syed Saleem Abbas, he was intelligent yes but also was very alert n street smart....And what i know about him is that he was a Civilian. Even i lack this street smartness.

 

[Tps43]

What we actually need is a new proper civilian military mix external intelligence agency much like RAW, CIA........This inter services intelligence concept is outdated and ha passed its life and worthiness.
To combat modern changes and challenges of 4/5th gen warfare, we need full civilian military grip specially through street smart individuals like this Dulat. Who can shape narratives n r bold as well....we need to have ability to fully micromanage media as well as to whats being reported there n how it should be reported......Army or armed forces officers/jawans back brains and above all street smartness. We need people like Syed Saleem Abbas, he was intelligent yes but also was very alert n street smart....And what i know about him is that he was a Civilian. Even i lack this street smartness.

So is ISI they have more than 40% civlians and rest are from armed forces the civilians are federal gov employees . Concept is adopted but we need to review some structural changes which are long under due.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Balochistan is strategic..and the reason why USA is there is to fix the loose state of Pakistan..its either fix our act..or lose the country...

post CPEC that col ralph peters strategy is in back burner as of now. China's rise is more important for them, thats why Donald Trump type figures and left wing/radical segments of their societies r emerging......Basically Chinese rise has ensured that the global financial inflow into America gets checked.

So is ISI they have more than 40% civlians and rest are from armed forces the civilians are federal gov employees . Concept is adopted but we need to review some structural changes which are long under due.

ISI lets just say, is not up to the task.....their military background and military discipline limits them way way too much. It was basically a military agency made by an ex mi6 operative for combating the times, era and challenges of Cold war period. It lacks unity/ ability/capability to fight the modern day challenges aggressively, where they anticipate what enemy is about to do correctly & above all broadly......Also the scope n manifesto of this intel agency is very limited. It mostly acts like an agency of an institution rather then entire Pakistan's.

Now after this Gen Asad's saga it severely needs reorganization and reforms big time in itself let go of her being able to do a bigger broader job with proper Pakistan specific manifesto. Its proved that professionalism or institutional loyalty is no longer the only way to ensure unity/loyalty and for good of Pakistan rather its a very limited way of looking at the statecraft and spycraft itself. A mere intel agency or agencies which r still militaristic in nature simply r not upto the task for this. Thats why most of what they do, they end up looking like an idiot themselves because they r simply not smart enough because of this military centrist nature and military code of conduct they r bound under. We need a bigger n broader external intel agency, which we dont have and never actually made in the past 70 years to begin with...which is answerable to no one by Allah himself not even the COAS.

We need something who isnt bound by military discipline/environment......The one who doesnt carry any name nor exists officially or unofficially but have full 100% fikri wahdat among its high command/operatives in both hearts n minds. Just like Syed Saleem Abbas used to say ''Hum mumlikat e Pakistan kay wafadar hain kisi political party ya politician kay nahi''......now let me add to this or kisi institution or kisi COAS kay b nahi. sirf orr sirf pakistan kay he not even of its armed forces.

 

[Tps43]

post CPEC that col ralph peters strategy is in back burner as of now. China's rise is more important for them, thats why Donald Trump type figures and left wing/radical segments of their societies r emerging......Basically Chinese rise has ensured that the global financial inflow into America gets checked.


ISI lets just say, is not up to the task.....their military background and military discipline limits them way way too much. It was basically a military agency make by an ex mi6 operative for combating the times, era and challenges of Cold war period. It lacks unity/ ability/capability to fight the modern day challenges aggressively, where they anticipate what enemy is about to do correctly broadly......Also the scope n manifesto of this intel agency is very limited. It mostly acts like an agency of an institution rather then entire Pakistan's.

Now after this Gen Asad's saga it severely needs reorganization and reforms big time itself. Its prove that professionalism or institutional loyalty is no longer the only way to ensure unity/loyalty and for good of Pakistan.

We really do need a new external agency is a much much broader/bigger manifesto and who isnt bound by military discipline/environment......The one who doesnt carry any name but have a full 100% fikri wahdat among its high command/operatives in both hearts n minds.

Yes u are right we need to separate internal and external wings into diff agencies like BND and MI5 , MI6

 

[Umair Nawaz]

There are no career spies in Army,except in MI. Which they won't lend to ISI,because here again inter services rivalry and one's own performance comes at play.

Our CI and methods are both weak and ancient.
IB has it's own officer cadre,they don't loan people's from Police.There DG level desk is very politicised though.

No sir,it's 3 years and MI never loans there best to ISI.

yes u brought up a very good point abt interservices rivalry n same way they have inter agency rivalries too. Thats why i say we need a new proper mature external agency not merely a military agency/agencies. This vacuum is in Pakistan for the past 70 years. India filled it in 1967 by creating RAW a proper civ/mil mixture, where people within the agency regardless of civilian/military can become its head without any kind of discrimination and who most importantly have fikri wahdat both in their fikr n phalsafa in their hearts n minds.

ISI being a military intelligence in its true nature is very very limiting in the sense as to what she can and cant do. They simply lack street smartness like Syed Saleem Abbas. The officer/operatives of ISI or other intel agencies of Pakistan are not even 1% of him in street smartness, alertness and dedication/commitment. And above all in his Iman and faith in Allah actually Yakeen e Kamil.

Kood jao aag k samandar main, Allah tumhari hifazat/madad karty ga! as is written by him in Janbaaz.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Read From Indus to Oxus by Zaid Hamid. He wrote a very interesting second last chapter in the book in which he penned a quoted conversation between himself and Gen Durrani when he was DG ISI. The conversation is about Pakistan's refusal to help Ahmad Shah Masood in 1991-92 (Pre Northern Alliance Period) despite the fact that he was about to capture Kabul from North. At that time ISI was trying to push Hikmat yar into Kabul from South. The author claimed that he had visited Ahmad Shah Masood along with MM Alam in Takhaar in Punjsher valley and have seen his preparations to capture Kabul in next year. This information was given to Durrani in person and it was advised to him not letting Ahmad Shah Masood slipped from Pakistan's grip but Gen Durrani didn't bother and Pakistan continued to support Hikmatyar instead. Rest is history.

So, to me, Gen Durrani is really an incompetent chap. He lost Ahmed Shah Masood to India which led to the formation of Northern Alliance, He brought Nawaz Sharif in power by distributing money to politicians, and now when Sharif is in the thick, he has come out with this book. Hopefully, today on Youm e Takbir, GHQ will ask him some really interesting questions.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Read From Indus to Oxus by Zaid Hamid. He wrote a very interesting second last chapter in the book in which he penned a quoted conversation between himself and Gen Durrani when he was DG ISI. The conversation is about Pakistan's refusal to help Ahmad Shah Masood in 1991-92 (Pre Northern Alliance Period) despite the fact that he was about to capture Kabul from North. At that time ISI was trying to push Hikmat yar into Kabul from South. The author claimed that he had visited Ahmad Shah Masood along with MM Alam in Takhaar in Punjsher valley and have seen his preparations to capture Kabul in next year. This information was given to Durrani in person and it was advised to him not letting Ahmad Shah Masood slipped from Pakistan's grip but Gen Durrani didn't bother and Pakistan continued to support Hikmatyar instead. Rest is history.

So, to me, Gen Durrani is really an incompetent chap. He lost Ahmed Shah Masood to India which led to the formation of Northern Alliance, He brought Nawaz Sharif in power by distributing money to politicians, and now when Sharif is in the thick, he has come out with this book. Hopefully, today on Youm e Takbir, GHQ will ask him some really interesting questions.

it isnt just abt NS...its mostly abt Kashmir in this book....according to Dulat Pakistan is now micromanaging in Pakistan since 2016.

 

[Sine Nomine]

There is no much difference between ISI and MI much even there designations are same

What makes you think that?
Both are different agencies with different tasking.

And who says MI doesnt loan officers to MI . Mi doest that.
Almost all officers in ISI in SIW or Ops are carrer officers.
I dont know when was last time u got ur info regarding ISI . ZaheerulIslam did a lot damage to working menthod of CI . heck he finished that wing . It was rizwan who retrieved it back and In less then 1 year of revival u got kulbhsan who was Reward for CI.

Sir,that part is enough to make me run away from here,kulbushan was caught due to work of OI not CI.

 

[somebozo]

post CPEC that col ralph peters strategy is in back burner as of now. China's rise is more important for them, thats why Donald Trump type figures and left wing/radical segments of their societies r emerging......Basically Chinese rise has ensured that the global financial inflow into America gets checked.

Again poor assessment driven by Pak-Cheen dosti clout...not only China has delivered North Korea on a platter to USA but China also agreed to open up its economy and increase trade with USA..which means the money inflow into USA is now even more..thanks to China!