The Road to Raiwind!

[VCheng]

For me that dharna was one of the biggest blunder in the history of Pakistan. PTI had waged and war against the entire state of Pakistan due to unbearable quench for power and did everything right and mostly wrong in order to fulfil their lust before time. I am not sure how many votes it gained but it definitely lost many supporters including myself who couldn't see the entire system being hijacked by few gangsters who did everything to incite violence but the people didn't listen to it and treated the entire dharna as music show or source of entertainment during night time

It would be pertinent to take to task all those who participated in over-hyping all that BS, just like what is being attempted again with CPEC now.

 

[Norwegian]

It would be pertinent to take to task all those who participated in over-hyping all that BS, just like what is being attempted again with CPEC now.

Even if Pakistan was developed like Japan, these corruption charges are going nowhere. PM has no moral authority to rule when he cannot come clean on his finances.

For me that dharna was one of the biggest blunder in the history of Pakistan. PTI had waged and war against the entire state of Pakistan due to unbearable quench for power and did everything right and mostly wrong in order to fulfil their lust before time. I am not sure how many votes it gained but it definitely lost many supporters including myself who couldn't see the entire system being hijacked by few gangsters who did everything to incite violence but the people didn't listen to it and treated the entire dharna as music show or source of entertainment during night time

If the supporters like you lost PTI after a single dharna blunder then they were never supporters to begin with. They were just riding the tidelwave and when the wave was gone they came back to regular parties. Such supporters are not ideologically motivated but motivated by the given opportunity.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

If you believe in Patterns and recurrences, we are stuck in a perpetual loop

A cycle of cynicism from which we cannot wake up from and we seek a MESSIAH

This "IDEAL" of savior has always forced us to look at the recurring events taking in our national politics

The BIG picture really is that all people in the image got used by the SYSTEM called DEMOCRACY

The bubble of perception around them constantly is controlled and changes by the Media around us and the folks who are not even Pakistanis

PANAMA leaks is just one such entity , which tries to make us see the same leader from "a different view point"

The leader has not change but the perception has changed due to PANAMA leaks , and OUTSIDE INFLUENCE and attack on Pakistan's Sovereignty

Ignoring the fact that Nawaz Sharif & his whole family was kicked out in 1999 from Pakistan
And later all folks were forgiven due to NRO

CLEAN SLATE 2007 by Musharaf

 

[Norwegian]

cynicism from which we cannot wake up from and we seek a MESSIAH

Every progressive nation on the planet has had Messianic leaders that led the revival of their respected nations. Pakistan has unluckily got none since the death of Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Unfortunately the truth is otherwise , all the folks in their own minds thought they were best thing given to Pakistan
Only for them to be either "Kicked out of Pakistan" or put to rest once their purpose was done

I agree with how China / Russia dealt with the Leaks , NATIONAL interest over Tabloid politics

While I do support Imran Khan's moral debate but unfortunately he just have to wait for next election , this DHARNA bazi is very anti STATE and I don't support it specially in this case when nation is facing dangers, growing dangers


It is right of Nawaz's son as adult to open a company offshore or inshore, if their father was kicked out of Pakistan of course they will open company offshore


This is not a way to treat head of state , who have 0% reason to come back to Pakistan if he loved money he would have retired happily in some Island , sunshine and lovely life

• There is 0% reason why Musharraf is out of Pakistan he should retired man after serving nation thru a difficult period
• Similarly 0% reason why Nawaz Sharif should be out of Pakistan for tabloid allegation not considering under what circumstances his family moved out in 1999

 

[Norwegian]

While I do support Imran Khan's moral debate but unfortunately he just have to wait for next election , this DHARNA is very anti STATE and I don't support it specially in this case when nation is facing dangers

When is this nation not facing dangers?

It is right of Nawaz's son as adult to open a company offshore or inshore, if their father was kicked out of Pakistan of course they will open company offshore

Bro was NS kicked out in 1993? His first offshore company dates back to that date.

This is not a way to treat head of state , who have 0% reason to come back to Pakistan if he loved money he would have retired happily in some Island , sunshine and lovely life

Are you a closet PMLN? Under NS the Pakistani debt has increased 10 fold. It's exactly how nawaz sharif became rich. Took huge debts from National banks and then defaulted on them. Then came to power and received clean slate from the same banks now under his administration. He is doing the same again but this time lending from International financial institutions. Who is gonna payback the debt when Pakistan defaults?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Lets compare things with China

"BUSINESS AS USUAL , country is making $$$ moving forward , they calculated time wasting on Tabloid is waste of time"

Lets compare Russia

"Business as USUAL , country is focused on national policies overlooking a shitty country like PANAMA ' and its report"

Nothing DRASTIC or majestic in report every one knows Sharif Family Left Pakistan in 1999 due to forceful removal from power

In Pakistan what we have ?????

We have these Journalist running "TALK SHOWS" taking stuff out of context and formulating a opinion - who is financing these guys???

Who is paying these Journalist high salaries ??

50-90% of government is busy with allegation repelling and now focus is off economy

 

[Norwegian]

Lets compare things with China

"BUSINESS AS USUAL , country is making $$$ moving forward , they calculated time wasting on Tabloid is waste of time"

Lets compare Russia

"Business as USUAL , country is focused on national policies overlooking a shitty country like PANAMA ' and its report"

Nothing DRASTIC or majestic in report every one knows Sharif Family Left Pakistan in 1999 due to forceful removal from power

Only in Pakistan it's business as usual for the sharif family business empire. A member of this forum from lahore told us few days back how these overhyped projects are given to companies connected with NS business interests. If zardari was Mr ten percent then sharifs are Mr 90 percent or more.

 

[Musafir117]

It's because people don't want change. Overseas Pakistanis haven't changed their imported culture one iota when they settled here in the West. I expect noting from the majority but at least there is a minority doing something about it.


Dharna didn't fail. It only proved that election rigging is a way of Pakistani life. If this new dharna fail as well it will prove that having crooks as leaders of Pakistan will never change either.

It's fail and fail again as intentions are based on hypocracy, you didn't bother to reply me even I quoted you specially on thread " Imran Postpone Party Intra elections " remembered I told you he postpone the elections? Fix your house first, corruption is poison in our society you can't finish it with rallies or Dharna, throw them out by democractic ways ( elections )
You know and I know nothing gonna happen to protest in front of Raiwind waste of time energy resources. And we know the intentions Time is running he is getting old and want to be PM.

 

[A.M.]

Let's see if the nation has sobered up to this clown. Or will we continue to follow leaders who are seeking a shortcut to the PM-ship.

 

[VCheng]

Even if Pakistan was developed like Japan, these corruption charges are going nowhere. PM has no moral authority to rule when he cannot come clean on his finances.

Nonetheless, he is the elected PM until the next election, or if Parliament removes him by due process.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The due process can go on in background , under supervision of Supreme Court Judge / Accounting firm / Accountability bureau representative / Prosecutor etc

Companies are under the children's name and they are adult now , government should focus on requesting more information from kid and not the parent

But morally if a Family is kicked out for xyz reason in 1999 , they obviously have to start from scratch. If Kids who grew up overseas , they may have decided to run company overseas since they could not return to their own country etc

And NRO pardoned politicians for acts between 86-99

Would be irresponsible to now put charges on him on old issues

 

[Norwegian]

It's fail and fail again as intentions are based on hypocracy, you didn't bother to reply me even I quoted you specially on thread " Imran Postpone Party Intra elections " remembered I told you he postpone the elections? Fix your house first, corruption is poison in our society you can't finish it with rallies or Dharna, throw them out by democractic ways ( elections )
You know and I know nothing gonna happen to protest in front of Raiwind waste of time energy resources. And we know the intentions Time is running he is getting old and want to be PM.

Is this some another conspiracy theory? Just because elections were going to be held in PTI, someone in Panama released those papers in collusion with imran khan? Some sort of Panama plan?
Talking about intentions. What are the intentions of nawaz sharif holding hidden assets abroad in his family members name? Why address the entire nation on national TV if he has nothing to hide? Is there only one angry pashtun with sinister intentions because he wishes to become pm and the one who has been pm thrice already has no hideous agenda of his own? How dumb you people could be?

the Nonetheless, he is the elected PM until the next election, or if Parliament removes him by due process.

what due process forced the pm of iceland out? Why it's necessary to keep the pm when he is not honest about his and family's finances?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

My point is that its a unknown entity in unknown country, is our system so flawed that based on a unknown entity sitting some place in world they release a tabloid report will we start questioning head of state of Pakistan selected by 180 Million people.

There is a legal mechanism to handle professionally and that is what I feel we are not doing

What next a tabloid news about Pakistani Army , or any other issue

There is such a thing as having Sovereign state rights , to view National Interest in a environment that is for Pakistan

Not to satisfy Panama Leak Tabloid releaser's intention

All the Circus was not needed all of this could have been discussed in Discrete manner in Parliament and closed discussion between Head of state and Opposition

Media has become judge and jury but the truth is they are not "qualified" to discuss such matter of private for someone , with out reasonable "Show of court order" or intent to challenge their statement in court or legal system of Pakistan

Where is

• NAB
• Court
  
• Lawyers
  
• Tax Bureau

Where is the state MACHINERY ?

Is the whole system of Government will be Stopped for allegation from some Tabloid or some entity?

I personally like PTI but I also want to view Nawaz Sharif's side of story , I know he was removed from power in 1999 and then obviously his family and him moved outside of Pakistan
So there is high % chance that he migrated and become NONE-RESIDENT of Pakistan no taxes due on that basis

Also NRO supports him becasue all politicians were forgiven by that accord 2007, legally binding initiative to bring back all politicians back to Pakistan to hold general Elections as a result of that NRO initiative

Any activity done between 1999-2008 does not effect his status any way as NRO paved the way to start fresh (No retaliation policy)

 

[Norwegian]

Would be irresponsible to now put charges on him on old issues

He must come clean on old financial issues. NRO didn't mean all past sins are forgiven. He wants people to invest in Pakistan while holds hidden assets abroad. Heck even treatment for his sickness is done abroad. Why is he even pm of Pakistan?

My point is that its a unknown entity in unknown country, is our system so flawed that based on a unknown entity sitting some place in world they release a tabloid report will we start questioning head of state of Pakistan selected by 180 Million people.

Maybe I should remind you that released papers were genuine with signed signatures of Nawaz Sharifs sons and daughter. It wasn't a tabloid report. The company at the centre of the leaks hasn't denied anything. They admit everything in the leaked papers.

I personally like PTI but I also want to view Nawaz Sharif's side of story , I know he was removed from power in 1999 and then obviously his family and him moved outside of Pakistan
So there is high % chance that he migrated and become NONE-RESIDENT of Pakistan no taxes due on that basis

I think we have already heard his side of the story on his historical address to the nation. Basically he wants another inquiry commission which results in nothing as he runs the show.
Morally he should resign, come clean and then come back with higher moral integrity if found not guilty. His party won't be losing power while he is gone.