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The reason Western jets, especially American, must be bought by Pakistan

MrConcerned

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Tech is far from everything. It can be the tipping point but just as important are:

Doctrine
Training
Traditions

In this regard, Pakistan has everything to learn and interact with NATO and nothing with everyone else. This is fact.

For example, ask the Russians why their equipment suck in wartime. They will always say, the user countries are incompetent or badly trained. Which only brings us to the question:

how come there is no sustained and concrete campaign to bring user countries up to speed (as far as possible)?

NATO is the supreme military organization in the world today by far and Pakistan will benefit endlessly from interacting with it. Now, this is not to say that countries who do not cannot fight well. But learning from the cutting edge will blow away a lot of illusions, speed you up the learning curve and improve the many intangible things in the military, like professionalism, quality of NCO corps etc.

Furthermore, Pakistan is aided by India's still hidebound reluctance to open up to new and modern doctrines of fighting war. It has suspended military interactions with the US up to March 2007. It has delayed excercises due to cost (but more likely for political reasons). Only last year did it hold its first ever "AirLand Battle" type exercise.

There is no matter time for Pakistan to step in and improve its military this way. Training exclusively with a power that has no record of modern air warfare and no NATO-capable or NATO-compatible arms, exercises and outlook will give Pakistan a sharp rude shock during the next conflict, may it never happen.

Why would the PAF, which has a history of excellence in pilots and doctrine, take a step backwards?

Doing otherwise will provide a qualitative edge that may well prove decisive. This is why the F-16 is crucial, crucial.

International Pilots Train to Fly U.S. Fighter PlaneBy Priscilla Huff
Tucson, Arizona
31 July 2006


The U.S. military's F-16 Fighting Falcon is one of the most popular fighter jets ever. About 4,500 have been sold all over the world. But pilots must be trained by Americans -- and that means traveling far from home and learning an entirely different way to fly. VOA's Priscilla Huff has the story from the desert of the American Southwest.

he F-16 Fighting Falcon is one of most popular fighter planes in the worldPilots who want to fly the F-16 fighter jet must come here, to the desert near Tucson, Arizona. One of the instructors is Lieutenant Colonel Mike High. "Our mission is to train students from all over the world -- whoever flies F-16s and whoever wants the training -- to train them to fly the F-16."

The 162nd Fighter Wing of the International Guard hosts the U.S. military's program to train pilots from allied nations. But before they arrive, they have to master one skill -- speaking English. This is critical, says squadron commander Lieutenant Colonel Will Johnson.

Lieutenant Colonel Will Johnson"It's the language. Every country comes in and they understand English but sometimes, they don't understand our gang signs or our slang, so that is confusing. But once they figure us out and we figure them out, it's no problem."

It is about more than just the language. The F-16 training program also involves learning the American approach to flying the $30 million aircraft. Lessons start with a lot of classroom time.

Lt. Col. Ross Stepaniuk, Polish Air ForceThe American training emphasizes more independent thinking during a mission. Pilot Ross Stepaniuk of the Polish Air Force must learn a different leadership style. "Most of us need to get accustomed to the procedures here. The way of doing things that we are used to in our Air Force, they are totally different here. It is a huge transition for pilots from our system of flying to where, first of all, there is a lot of traffic in the air, second, you fly a lot, and finally, you have to meet very, very high expectations." Lt. Col. Mike High

It will take Stepaniuk and the rest of the Polish Air Force several years to completely make the transition from the Russian MiG to the F-16. Lieutenant Colonel Mike High explains, "I would say there is a very big difference between what he's been doing, and what he's learning how to do now. Which means it may be more of a challenge than it may appear to the casual observer. The F-16 is much, much more advanced than the MiG; much more advanced – it’s 21st century technology, whereas the MiG was 1950s technology. Really, I mean, it has been upgraded, but it is a very, very old aircraft."

A pilot on an F-16 training missionThe F-16 was first built in 1976. The planes are now assembled under a consortium deal managed by NATO. Parts come from several nations. Once a purchase contract is signed with the U.S. military, the preparation process begins, as ground crews and officers learn how to care for the jets.

And, of course, the pilots need to learn how to fly the planes, which can reach speeds of Mach 2: 2400 kilometers per hour.

Ross Stepaniuk is one of the first seven Polish pilots to graduate from the program after nearly two years of hard work.

olonel Stepaniuk at his graduation ceremonyBut his training is not complete. Stepaniuk must remain in Tucson to earn his wings as an instructor pilot for the Polish Air Force.

"It's a wonderful aircraft. It feels very good, maybe it's too good,” he says. “But, it's still difficult because the more experience you have, the higher the expectations go. You have to know more and more about this plane we all fly, so you have to have tremendous experience in so many areas."

Pilots from Singapore, Sweden and the United Arab Emirates also are being trained in Tucson. And the next F-16 training program is in the works for Pakistan.


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MrConcerned said:
For example, ask the Russians why their equipment suck in wartime. They will always say, the user countries are incompetent or badly trained. Which only brings us to the question:

Training itself needs resources. Many third world countries who are only able to afford Russian equipment lack funds for properly traning. Interacting with NATO forces is not suddenly going to change the capability of forces.

What is needed is more resources for training which can only come with economic growth.
 
F-16s structure is also 30 years old. as old as mig29(can travel at speeds of up to 2,400km/h at high altitudes and produce 16,600kg of thrust.). I agreed that best training is always a symbol of NATO but now a days, F16 is not a creaditable threat against Russian Hi-Tech like su30. specially MKI.
also, the mig 21 technology is of 50s', unlike mig 29 OVT .
MKI(which uses israeli avionics and uses TVC) is superior to F16 lock 50/52 and it will be deadly when backed by phalcon AWAC.
 
Owais said:
F-16s structure is also 30 years old. as old as mig29(can travel at speeds of up to 2,400km/h at high altitudes and produce 16,600kg of thrust.). I agreed that best training is always a symbol of NATO but now a days, F16 is not a creaditable threat against Russian Hi-Tech like su30. specially MKI.
also, the mig 21 technology is of 50s', unlike mig 29 OVT .
MKI(which uses israeli avionics and uses TVC) is superior to F16 lock 50/52 and it will be deadly when backed by phalcon AWAC.

F-16 structural design is 30 yrs old,structure is brand new built.

You have to understand theat MKI is a threat not due to its russian
ancestorship but due to the western avionics in it.

F-16 with an aesa radar is a very potent weapon and even F-16 blk 50-2 cannot be written of so lightly.
 
Attacking into defended airspace is a different ballgame from being one of the defenders. Even if Pakistan had advanced jets like Rafale, they would be in such limited numbers they would probably rely on missiles to attack Indian airfields, command posts etc, so it's not that big a deal.

F-16 would still be very sweet as a multi-purpose plane and defender. Even the USAF would be using them for at least a decade yet and would support them for another two. The latest Blk-52+ is a very very nice jet and I'm sure Pakistan will make some additions themselves.

I don't see how America has been unfair? The latest blocks with conformal fuel tanks, AMRAAMs C-5s, JDAMS, JSOWs, APG-68v9, all the latest stuff that it gives to allies, except a little EW equipment is missing.

Greece just bought 30 new ones and there are rumours Turkey is also going to!

With the price of jets today (a) proven is gold (b) every plane is flown until 20/30 years (c) maintainenance cost and flying costs are crucial (Taiwan has benched its M-2000 and kept its F-16s flying for this reason).
 
Airpower was decicive in 1965, at Lahore and at Chawinda, and it reduced the losses in 1971 as well, Barapind.
 
Bull said:
F-16 structural design is 30 yrs old,structure is brand new built.

You have to understand theat MKI is a threat not due to its russian
ancestorship but due to the western avionics in it.

F-16 blk 50-2 cannot be written of so lightly.

F-16 block 52 is best for defensive A to A role but it is not suitable for deep penetration strike in enemy airspace.
 
Owais said:
F-16 block 52 is best for defensive A to A role but it is not suitable for deep penetration strike in enemy airspace.

The Rafale should be seriously considered for that role...especially for the Strategic Nuclear Strike Wing.
 

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