The Real Reason of Germany's defeat in the Second World War

[SarthakGanguly]

Crimes of Germany does not excuse the ones of the USSR.

What is the Red Terror? Stop reading brochures of Goebbels and the Americans ones wrote during the Cold War. Terror in the Soviet Union was no more than in U.S..
The USSR restored Poland after World War II and cut a huge chunk of the German lands to compensate the Ukrainian and Belarusian land, which belonged to the Soviet Union. Aggressors do not compensate for the loss of their victims.
The Americans have left behind the ruins in Iraq, Vietnam, Libya, Afghanistan and others - that the behavior of the aggressors. They do not build factories, universities and hospitals.

The list is too huge - crimes against humanity.
There was a very genuine reason that even the future premiers (after Stalin) were forced to acknowledge many 'mistakes'. Let's not get into that. As for the source of the information - we are not living n the Cold War. I almost never did. The only info I got is from the memoirs of Soviet generals, bureaucrats, declassified Soviet archives etc.

 

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Hitler tried to make sure that he is not considered a pawn, and the equal of the West.
Do you know how things were at first months of the war? Google "phony war." No one wanted to fight him for real. And on the Western Front had not been such battles as on the Eastern Front.
Hitler was very popular in the West until 1939. Very popular.
By the way, according to the plans of the West Poland was to attack the Soviet Union with Germany. And when Hitler ceased to carry out the orders of England, Poland did not cease to do so.

Naval blockade was very serious and war in France and Britain was not phoney at all.

Fact remains: when Hitler attacked Poland Britain declared war on him while Stalin helped him. Rest is just conspiracy speculations.

Also Britain could easily make a separate peace with Hitler and then USSR would be busted. It had not chance t stand alone.

 

[vostok]

Crimes of Germany does not excuse the ones of the USSR.

The list is too huge - crimes against humanity.
There was a very genuine reason that even the future premiers (after Stalin) were forced to acknowledge many 'mistakes'. Let's not get into that. As for the source of the information - we are not living n the Cold War. I almost never did. The only info I got is from the memoirs of Soviet generals, bureaucrats, declassified Soviet archives etc.

USSR committed a crime , but they are nothing compared to the crimes of the West - the total destruction of the Indians, Negroes trade , the colonization, the destruction of nations and states who disagree with the policies of the West.
Hundreds of millions of victims . Hundreds of millions.
The Soviet Union liberated the people after centuries of colonialism. China, India , Vietnam , Indonesia, Pakistan , Africa - you'll never see freedom if USST did not defeated West during the Second World War.
Never .
So think with your own head not propagadists of the West.
The fact that the Americans or Goebbels wrote about Stalin and the Soviet Union almost 100% of lie.
Stalin - the worst enemy of the West. He showed the world that the West is not all-powerful and that they could win. That's why they hate it, and write "memoirs" and other crap, pour dirt on his name.

 

[vostok]

Naval blockade was very serious and war in France and Britain was not phoney at all.

Fact remains: when Hitler attacked Poland Britain declared war on him while Stalin helped him. Rest is just conspiracy speculations.

Also Britain could easily make a separate peace with Hitler and then USSR would be busted. It had not chance t stand alone.

Once again I say - google " phony war ." It is in Wikipedia/
If Hitler was planning a war with Britain , he would built a fleet , and he did not. You can not fight wiht Britain if you do not possess a fleet capable to cover the landing of millions soldiers on the island .
Hitler let the British army run from Dunkirk - although he could destroy it without any difficulty.
West surrendered to Hitler Ruhr - is the foundation of the industry of the Third Reich. West surrendered to Hitler Austria and the Czech Republic - very industrial developed states.
Without these lands Hitler would not can fight at all.
Only the Soviet Union was opposed to the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia. And England and France , who had agreements with Czechoslovakia on defense - did not do anything . And forbidden to Poland and Romania to miss Soviet troops to help Czechoslovakia.
Stalin suggested England and France many times to form an alliance and destroy Hitler until 1939. Why did Britain and France did not agree? Because they have grown up Hitler only to crush the Soviet Union. Just for that, they gave him half of Europe without firing a shot. When Hitler occupied the Ruhr area - he almoust had no army at all . France could destroy him wiht one division .

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And then Russia entered Poland in 17th September 1939 to 'protect the West Russians and Ukrainians in the erstwhile State of Poland, to maintain law and order...'. Liberator indeed. Just before that they gobbled up Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. In 1940, they attacked Finland and suffered a bloody nose but secured a 'victory'. Then they demanded and got Bessabaria from Romania. All these before Operation Barbarossa started. But like I said - no use, you want to believe Stalin was an angel or just as bad as say Roosevelt...please go ahead. But most of the people won't buy it.

Once again I say - google " phony war ." It is in Wikipedia/
If Hitler was planning a war with Britain , he would built a fleet , and he did not. You can not fight wiht Britain if you do not possess a fleet capable to cover the landing of millions soldiers on the island .
Hitler let the British army run from Dunkirk - although he could destroy it without any difficulty.
West surrendered to Hitler Ruhr - is the foundation of the industry of the Third Reich. West surrendered to Hitler Austria and the Czech Republic - very industrial developed states.
Without these lands Hitler would not can fight at all.
Only the Soviet Union was opposed to the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia. And England and France , who had agreements with Czechoslovakia on defense - did not do anything . And forbidden to Poland and Romania to miss Soviet troops to help Czechoslovakia.
Stalin suggested England and France many times to form an alliance and destroy Hitler until 1939. Why did Britain and France did not agree? Because they have grown up Hitler only to crush the Soviet Union. Just for that, they gave him half of Europe without firing a shot. When Hitler occupied the Ruhr area - he almoust had no army at all . France could destroy him wiht one division .

 

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The production capability was crucial factor.

Soviet Union was by 1940s world's second biggest economy, next only to USA and had greater production capacity than Germany.

For every single tank produced by Germany, USSR produce several ones.


Type Production
(June 1941 –
May 1945)[36]
Light tanks14,508
T-3435,119
T-34-8529,430
KV and KV-854,581
IS3,854
SU-7612,671
SU-852,050
SU-1001,675
SU-1221,148
SU-1524,779

Total 1,09,815

In 1943, T-34 production had reached an average of 1,300 per month.

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Pre-war1939194019411942194319441945WartimeTotal
Panzer I1,893--------1,893
Panzer II1,2231599265848803151-2,1813,404
Panzer 38(t)781533676786521,0082,3561,3356,5496,627
Panzer III981571,0542,2132,9583,3794,7521,13615,64915,747
Panzer IV211453684679943,8226,6251,09013,31113,522
Panzer V Panther-----1,8494,0037056,5576,557
Panzer VI H Tiger I----78649641-1,3681,368
Panzer VI B Tiger II-----1428140569569
Elefant-----90--9090
Total3,5033701,8883,6235,53011,60118,9564,40646,27449,777

Total 1,45,938

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As we can see in this and post number 53, USSR alone outproduced Germany in military production.

In addition US supplied huge amount of boots, fuel, trucks etc to USSR during war.

Stalingrad also became turning point. Germany lost its best army in stalingrad; Defeat at Kursk resulted in Red Army gaining initiative on eastern front.

 

[vostok]

Stalin was not an angel . He was a politician , a hell of a good politician . He turned the ruined , war-ravaged country into a superpower . He cared about his country and about the people who inhabit it . He united the lands of Western Ukraine and Belarus, which were detached from Russia in the 14th century - though the population of these states see themselves as Russian , not Polish.
Finland became proposed exchange of territories - a small strip of beach near Leningrad in the vast territory of Karelia. Finland refused . Stalin would invade Finland, but did not. He took exactly as much land as required .
Lithuania , Latvia and Estonia were incorporated in compliance with international law, and not occupied. It's a huge difference.

And then Russia entered Poland in 17th September 1939 to 'protect the West Russians and Ukrainians in the erstwhile State of Poland, to maintain law and order...'. Liberator indeed. Just before that they gobbled up Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania. In 1940, they attacked Finland and suffered a bloody nose but secured a 'victory'. Then they demanded and got Bessabaria from Romania. All these before Operation Barbarossa started. But like I said - no use, you want to believe Stalin was an angel or just as bad as say Roosevelt...please go ahead. But most of the people won't buy it.

 

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Country Total tanks and self-propelled guns Tanks and self-propelled guns [1] Artillery [2] Mortars [3] Machineguns [4] Military trucks

Soviet Union 105,251 92,595 516,648 200,300 1,477,400 197,100
United States 102,410 71,067 257,390 105,055 2,679,840 2,382,311
United Kingdom 27,896 124,877 102,950 297,336 480,943
Canada 5,678 2,150 43,552 251,925 815,729
Other Commonwealth 5,215 46,014 37,983
Germany 67,429 43,920 159,147 73,484 674,280 345,914
Japan 2,515 13,350 380,000 165,945
Italy 2,473 7,200 83,000
Hungary 500 447 4,583

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[AUSTERLITZ]

Stalin was an independent figure - he had no obligations to the West. And Hitler - a creature of England. Despite the fact that, at some point, he came out of the submission and tried to play his own piece - he still forced to attack the Soviet Union. And this is - suicide.
Stalin - the greatest politician in the history of mankind, and Hitler - just a pawn in the big game.

Stalin's blunders and crushing purges almost cost the russian people their country,don't know how u defend him.He completly handicapped the red army.On top of that massacred more russian civilians than any invader in history.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Correct, but that is mainly because the Luftwaffe didn't make the most of the French airfields to bomb England. Had they been tasked with focusing all their energies on the destruction of the UK, Luftwaffe was more than capable of delivering that. Again, it was Hitler's stupid logic which made him think that UK was somehow close to him and they could have been allies against the USSR.

Actually the luftwaffe admitted defeat over england.But therw as a very easy way hitler could have ended the war with england.Take gibraltar and march to suez with whole german army,take the middle easta nd then india.Britain finished.
If rommel with a handful of divisions could do what he did,do u think the british would stand any chance vs the whole wehrmacht?None.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Actually the luftwaffe admitted defeat over england.But therw as a very easy way hitler could have ended the war with england.Take gibraltar and march to suez with whole german army,take the middle easta nd then india.Britain finished.
If rommel with a handful of divisions could do what he did,do u think the british would stand any chance vs the whole wehrmacht?None.

But taking Gibralter without Franco was not possible. Hitler even said that he would rather have his tooth uprooted than sit with him again(they did try to bring Franco into the Axis). Forcing Spain (by threat or use of force) would have shaken the jittery allies of Germany. But yes, theoretically if Gibralter had fallen, England would be practically forced out of the war.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

But taking Gibralter without Franco was not possible. Hitler even said that he would rather have his tooth uprooted than sit with him again(they did try to bring Franco into the Axis). Forcing Spain (by threat or use of force) would have shaken the jittery allies of Germany. But yes, theoretically if Gibralter had fallen, England would be practically forced out of the war.

The german generals and especially admirals had plans reday to smash spain,and it would have been a quick blitz.

 

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Once again I say - google " phony war ." It is in Wikipedia/

Once again: the naval blockade had very serious impact on German economy.

If Hitler was planning a war with Britain , he would built a fleet , and he did not. You can not fight wiht Britain if you do not possess a fleet capable to cover the landing of millions soldiers on the island .

Building navy takes too much time and resources, thats why he used asymmetrical warfare building 1000 submarines (!!!!).

Each submarine costs like 40 tanks at least. That means Hitler could build 2 times more tanks.

Hitler let the British army run from Dunkirk - although he could destroy it without any difficulty.

Destroying such a huge force without any difficulty? LOL you are funny. Ever heard about Kurland Kessel? Google it.

West surrendered to Hitler Ruhr - is the foundation of the industry of the Third Reich. West surrendered to Hitler Austria and the Czech Republic - very industrial developed states.

West did not want to start a war. Its not an easy thing u know. But eventually when they saw that Hitler is not stopping they started. On the other hand Stalin HELPED Hitler.

As I said, UK could easily make a separate peace with Hitler like Stalin did. And then USSR would fight alone against Germany + Japan.

 

[vostok]

Stalin's blunders and crushing purges almost cost the russian people their country,don't know how u defend him.He completly handicapped the red army.On top of that massacred more russian civilians than any invader in history.

Do you know who were Trotskyites ? These were the guys who were going to have a world revolution . And the war oin going to the last Russian soldier. Cleaning the army of these people do not obey the leadership of the country, and foreign sponsors of Trotsky - the primary task before the war. Of course , there were excesses - but it is the fault not of Stalin and his aides.
Stalin destroyed billion Russian people?
False. For 30 years, from 1923 to 1953 were executed and died in the camps 3.6 million. During the Revolution and the Civil War murdered and died from hunger and disease around 14 million. That is Lenin in 3 years has destroyed 14 million Russian - why is no one screaming that Lenin bloody maniac ?
Because Lenin worked with Western intelligence agencies . Through them he came to power.
Stalin did not cooperate with them. Stalin did not accept the dollar system of the post-war world. Stalin built a superpower . Stalin defeated Hitler , destroying years of work the west.
So about Stalin constantly compose fables .

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Do you know who were Trotskyites ? These were the guys who were going to have a world revolution . And the war oin going to the last Russian soldier. Cleaning the army of these people do not obey the leadership of the country, and foreign sponsors of Trotsky - the primary task before the war. Of course , there were excesses - but it is the fault not of Stalin and his aides.
Stalin destroyed billion Russian people?
False. For 30 years, from 1923 to 1953 were executed and died in the camps 3.6 million. During the Revolution and the Civil War murdered and died from hunger and disease around 14 million. That is Lenin in 3 years has destroyed 14 million Russian - why is no one screaming that Lenin bloody maniac ?
Because Lenin worked with Western intelligence agencies . Through them he came to power.
Stalin did not cooperate with them. Stalin did not accept the dollar system of the post-war world. Stalin built a superpower . Stalin defeated Hitler , destroying years of work the west.
So about Stalin constantly compose fables .