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The Price Of India's UN Vote On Ukraine Will Be Paid In Washington

The Price Of India's UN Vote On Ukraine Will Be Paid In Washington
The Modi government chose to abstain on the UN Security Council condemnation of the Russian invasion, but it underestimates how much India will be condemned on the wrong side of history in the minds of American leaders for years to come.

March 01, 2022

Sushil Aaron


NEW DELHI — President Barack Obama once described India-US ties as one of the defining partnerships of the 21st century. That relationship unexpectedly got into choppy waters last week after India got a couple of reminders from the United States on its position about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and how it should vote on the draft UN Security Council resolution – which India ultimately abstained on, along with China and the UAE.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken tweeted that he had spoken to external affairs minister S. Jaishankar – and indicated the “importance of a strong collective response to Russian aggression.” Blinken effectively drafted lines that the Ministry of External Affairs was struggling to compose suggesting that “Russia’s attack on Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity is a clear violation of the rules-based international order."

President Joe Biden mentioned in a press conference that the issue of being fully in sync with India on the issue wasn’t resolved completely. Then US Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield said this while introducing the resolution: “vote yes if you believe in upholding the UN Charter … Vote no or abstain if you do not uphold the Charter.”

India has drawn closer to the West in recent decades, but has its own compulsions when it comes to Russia. Thousands of Indian students are stranded in Ukraine who need Russian help to get out, Russia is India’s biggest weapon supplier and Moscow provides cover for the country at the UN should Pakistan or China raise Kashmir there.

Modi expectations

There are other reasons driving India’s policy. One is the belief that there is no real price to pay for sitting on the fence on Russia – the West, after all, needs India in many respects. Global corporations want to sell products and services in India, it is a big market for weapons manufacturers and India ticks a lot of boxes for the Pentagon looking for international partners to contain China. The Narendra Modi government expects elites in Washington to understand Delhi’s calculus and the tradeoffs it is confronted with.

There’s also the hypocrisy argument; analysts argue that the US has not been the paragon of consistency in implementing democratic values abroad – as it has backed coups and invaded countries like Iraq. Jaishankar himself made this case whilst answering a question at the Munich Security Conference. When asked why India was abstaining on Ukraine when it was so outspoken on Chinese incursions in India, he first said both situations are not the same – and pointed out that the European powers had not taken sharp positions on the Indo-Pacific after 2009 and at another point said that if Europe was serious about practicing principles they would have practiced those in Asia and Afghanistan.

This conflict is different.

Analytically, all this makes sense. Everyone, Blinken included, understands that states look out for their own interests and usually it’s soon business as usual for diplomats. Except that this conflict is different; the juncture in world politics is different, as are American motivations and anxieties. The decision to abstain is a misjudgment of context, even as it makes sense as a matter of interest.

The Indian government has perhaps not appreciated that the U.S., particularly the Democrats and the Biden administration, don’t see Russia merely as an adversary pursuing narrowly-defined security interests in Europe but as a power keen on undermining Western democracies – and it is this perception that will not take kindly to India’s fence-sitting.

Accusations of hypocrisy


Russia has loomed large in the American political imagination since the election of Donald Trump in 2016, following allegations of interference through disinformation campaigns and email hacking of the Democratic National Committee. The Robert Mueller report did not establish a conspiracy between Moscow and the Trump campaign but said that the Putin regime worked to secure a Trump victory – and stated in its opening that “the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion”. Fiona Hill, the Russia scholar, has written that the idea that Moscow determined the election “is overstated;” she underlined that Putin merely exploited the US’s deep polarisation.

That said, the events of January 6, the role that disinformation played in fomenting it, the ongoing Republican measures to suppress the African-American vote and the chaos that may follow the 2024 election if Trump were to claim victory again – all these make Democrats and the Biden administration particularly wary of what Putin will attempt in 2024.

US analysts are dreading what the interregnum between the 2024 Election Day and Inauguration Day 2025 would bring, and wonder what the next Jan. 6 insurrection would look like. In a recent conversation with historian Timothy Snyder, David Remnick, the editor of the The New Yorker, spoke of the possibility that Putin would like to see the U.S. experience its own December 25, 1991 – the day the Soviet Union ended – sometime between November 2024 and January 2025.

The result of all this is that the Biden administration cannot at this moment separate American state interests from its own domestic survival as a political formation while it contends with Russia in this crisis.
There is a reason why Biden has characterized the current state of world politics as a battle between democracy and authoritarianism – because that battle has a vivid impress on the U.S.’s own future.

A country like India can thus offer all sound state-related reasons for refusing to condemn Russia, but it will not be able to mollify the Democratic party and administration that feels threatened because of Moscow’s alleged campaigns. Washington’s elites will feel that it’s one thing to accuse the U.S. of hypocrisy when it is domestically secure and another to be siding with Russia when the latter is exploiting vulnerabilities in Western democracies.

A chilling in the air

India’s vote on Ukraine thus becomes a sensibility-shifting moment for Washington and European allies, at least during Biden’s term. Indian leaders have in the last two decades spoken of democracy as a uniting value in India-US ties, but this abstention will have demonstrated to Western policymakers that India will be agnostic on these matters when push comes to shove.

How this will play out in substantive terms remains to be seen, but there will likely be a chilling of personal equations and an adjustment among partners on what to expect from India in the future even despite shared perspectives on China.

This is not a great moment for Modi given his already flagging reputation. Western leaders can now juxtapose his well-known illiberal governance at home with the refusal to name Russia, let alone condemn it. They will instinctively sense that Modi will be at ease in a world run by Trump, Putin and even Xi Jinping (should the border issue be solved).

Alienating the US, Europe and Western allies with this vote and keeping the company of China and the UAE, when there is a surge of feeling for democracy and freedom the world over, is not a good look for India.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...iran-in-iaea/articleshow/5276220.cms?from=mdr

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national//article60630495.ece

It seems India has Guts to support America only against weak countries.
Voted against Iran twice, whilst pretending to be best friend of Iran.

INDIA IRAN bhai bhai :rofl:
 
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The Price Of India's UN Vote On Ukraine Will Be Paid In Washington
The Modi government chose to abstain on the UN Security Council condemnation of the Russian invasion, but it underestimates how much India will be condemned on the wrong side of history in the minds of American leaders for years to come.

March 01, 2022

Sushil Aaron


NEW DELHI — President Barack Obama once described India-US ties as one of the defining partnerships of the 21st century. That relationship unexpectedly got into choppy waters last week after India got a couple of reminders from the United States on its position about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and how it should vote on the draft UN Security Council resolution – which India ultimately abstained on, along with China and the UAE.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken tweeted that he had spoken to external affairs minister S. Jaishankar – and indicated the “importance of a strong collective response to Russian aggression.” Blinken effectively drafted lines that the Ministry of External Affairs was struggling to compose suggesting that “Russia’s attack on Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity is a clear violation of the rules-based international order."

President Joe Biden mentioned in a press conference that the issue of being fully in sync with India on the issue wasn’t resolved completely. Then US Ambassador to the UN Linda Thomas-Greenfield said this while introducing the resolution: “vote yes if you believe in upholding the UN Charter … Vote no or abstain if you do not uphold the Charter.”

India has drawn closer to the West in recent decades, but has its own compulsions when it comes to Russia. Thousands of Indian students are stranded in Ukraine who need Russian help to get out, Russia is India’s biggest weapon supplier and Moscow provides cover for the country at the UN should Pakistan or China raise Kashmir there.

Modi expectations

There are other reasons driving India’s policy. One is the belief that there is no real price to pay for sitting on the fence on Russia – the West, after all, needs India in many respects. Global corporations want to sell products and services in India, it is a big market for weapons manufacturers and India ticks a lot of boxes for the Pentagon looking for international partners to contain China. The Narendra Modi government expects elites in Washington to understand Delhi’s calculus and the tradeoffs it is confronted with.

There’s also the hypocrisy argument; analysts argue that the US has not been the paragon of consistency in implementing democratic values abroad – as it has backed coups and invaded countries like Iraq. Jaishankar himself made this case whilst answering a question at the Munich Security Conference. When asked why India was abstaining on Ukraine when it was so outspoken on Chinese incursions in India, he first said both situations are not the same – and pointed out that the European powers had not taken sharp positions on the Indo-Pacific after 2009 and at another point said that if Europe was serious about practicing principles they would have practiced those in Asia and Afghanistan.

This conflict is different.

Analytically, all this makes sense. Everyone, Blinken included, understands that states look out for their own interests and usually it’s soon business as usual for diplomats. Except that this conflict is different; the juncture in world politics is different, as are American motivations and anxieties. The decision to abstain is a misjudgment of context, even as it makes sense as a matter of interest.

The Indian government has perhaps not appreciated that the U.S., particularly the Democrats and the Biden administration, don’t see Russia merely as an adversary pursuing narrowly-defined security interests in Europe but as a power keen on undermining Western democracies – and it is this perception that will not take kindly to India’s fence-sitting.

Accusations of hypocrisy


Russia has loomed large in the American political imagination since the election of Donald Trump in 2016, following allegations of interference through disinformation campaigns and email hacking of the Democratic National Committee. The Robert Mueller report did not establish a conspiracy between Moscow and the Trump campaign but said that the Putin regime worked to secure a Trump victory – and stated in its opening that “the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion”. Fiona Hill, the Russia scholar, has written that the idea that Moscow determined the election “is overstated;” she underlined that Putin merely exploited the US’s deep polarisation.

That said, the events of January 6, the role that disinformation played in fomenting it, the ongoing Republican measures to suppress the African-American vote and the chaos that may follow the 2024 election if Trump were to claim victory again – all these make Democrats and the Biden administration particularly wary of what Putin will attempt in 2024.

US analysts are dreading what the interregnum between the 2024 Election Day and Inauguration Day 2025 would bring, and wonder what the next Jan. 6 insurrection would look like. In a recent conversation with historian Timothy Snyder, David Remnick, the editor of the The New Yorker, spoke of the possibility that Putin would like to see the U.S. experience its own December 25, 1991 – the day the Soviet Union ended – sometime between November 2024 and January 2025.

The result of all this is that the Biden administration cannot at this moment separate American state interests from its own domestic survival as a political formation while it contends with Russia in this crisis.
There is a reason why Biden has characterized the current state of world politics as a battle between democracy and authoritarianism – because that battle has a vivid impress on the U.S.’s own future.

A country like India can thus offer all sound state-related reasons for refusing to condemn Russia, but it will not be able to mollify the Democratic party and administration that feels threatened because of Moscow’s alleged campaigns. Washington’s elites will feel that it’s one thing to accuse the U.S. of hypocrisy when it is domestically secure and another to be siding with Russia when the latter is exploiting vulnerabilities in Western democracies.

A chilling in the air

India’s vote on Ukraine thus becomes a sensibility-shifting moment for Washington and European allies, at least during Biden’s term. Indian leaders have in the last two decades spoken of democracy as a uniting value in India-US ties, but this abstention will have demonstrated to Western policymakers that India will be agnostic on these matters when push comes to shove.

How this will play out in substantive terms remains to be seen, but there will likely be a chilling of personal equations and an adjustment among partners on what to expect from India in the future even despite shared perspectives on China.

This is not a great moment for Modi given his already flagging reputation. Western leaders can now juxtapose his well-known illiberal governance at home with the refusal to name Russia, let alone condemn it. They will instinctively sense that Modi will be at ease in a world run by Trump, Putin and even Xi Jinping (should the border issue be solved).

Alienating the US, Europe and Western allies with this vote and keeping the company of China and the UAE, when there is a surge of feeling for democracy and freedom the world over, is not a good look for India.

Then I laugh at George w Bush and Barack Obama trying to prop up India against China. lol.

Then its like every country works for its national interests. lol.
 
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https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...iran-in-iaea/articleshow/5276220.cms?from=mdr

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national//article60630495.ece

It seems India has Guts to support America only against weak countries.
Voted against Iran twice, whilst pretending to be best friend of Iran.

INDIA IRAN bhai bhai :rofl:
Yet surprisingly, the Iranians believe Hindu Extremist Indians are better friends than Pakistanis. That's despite Pakistan has left it's border pretty much open to Iran rather than militarising it just so Iranians don't feel threatened by Pakistan.
 
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Yet surprisingly, the Iranians believe Hindu Extremist Indians are better friends than Pakistanis. That's despite Pakistan has left it's border pretty much open to Iran rather than militarising it just so Iranians don't feel threatened by Pakistan.

Time to look after ourselves, bar none.

The present government is taking tough decisions, but decisions based on supreme national interest, It is a good start.
 
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China:calm down ,stay at my back
Surprising to see how few countries chose to remain neutral & actually call for cessation of hostilities.

Yet surprisingly, the Iranians believe Hindu Extremist Indians are better friends than Pakistanis. That's despite Pakistan has left it's border pretty much open to Iran rather than militarising it just so Iranians don't feel threatened by Pakistan.
National interests trumps interventionism.

Iran and Saudi are both religious countries with no room for other faiths but both have very cordial ties with our current and all previous administrations. This will continue.

Likewise, you and many other Pakistanis have this weird misconception that we are democracy's poster-boys. We have positive ties with Myanmar that's a junta, and also Vietnam that is a communist single-party state. India is also one of the few countries in the world that hosts a North Korean embassy as well because they have not done anything against us.

All this while having cordial ties with West as well.
 
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Most of Asia and Africa abstained and several in Latin America. Abstaining will not upgrade Indian relations with US and it will not downgrade relations either because it is at a strategic level.

https://www.axios.com/un-security-c...sia-98ff868e-6ee4-412e-b643-36e30061adb1.html
Does not reflect a very independent choice. The blue is almost the same countries that operate as one single entity in the UN (except some south American and African countries). Scary to see how many of them just have to pick a side in this dumb conflict.
 
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Does not reflect a very independent choice. The blue is almost the same countries that operate as one single entity in the UN (except some south American and African countries). Scary to see how many of them just have to pick a side in this dumb conflict.
Several of the blue are Slavic countries, former Soviet satellite states, and Ex Warsaw pact members who want to be part of Free Europe -- free from Russian threat.
 
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I agree with your post. India is rightly merely looking after it's interests. Pakistan, please pay attention and learn.

I disagree with your suggestion that Russia is the aggressor. The West efectively pushed it to take this action.Surprising hoiw long it took for Russia to make a stand.

The other thing at display in this conflict is the sickening rascism on display in the so called free media. Most channels report with the continous referance that -

  • this Europe [so?]
  • these are like us [so?]
  • these are our people [so Black Americans mmm?]
  • this is civilized people [Iraq was birthplace of civilization]
  • referances made that this is not Middle East [barbaric]

People like @QWECXZ should note how these reports make the point that these are not brown skinned savage Middle Easterners where it is expected that they kill each other like animals thus using all sort of missiles on civilian populations is acceptable as opposed to these white Euro Ukranians where it is not expected and a sin.


Listen to the Kenyan ambassador on Ukraine @Indus Pakistan

watch

@khansaheeb

There was a time in history where all the Slavic people were united. Putin is driving the last nail in the coffin of the pan-Slavic movement
 
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The price we paid is :

India gets Nuclear Deal with US and Nuclear Subs from Russia
India gets Billions of Investment from KSA as well as Iran
India gets Missiles from Israel and Oil from Iran
India trades Billions with China and Sells Brahmos to Philippines

The day we invetenetd 'NAM' we decided this fate. And Im glad we did it.
I thought Indian navy returned the leased Russian nuclear sub one year ahead of schedule
 
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China:calm down ,stay at my back
what does the N/A mean? Their opinion doesn't count or they don't have a meaningful gov to take sides?

...after drubbing from AUKUS, I believe that the French have now made the decision to share their nuclear sub tech. with India.
Good idea to make the world a unsafer place.
 
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India will always get a pass because they are holding the world hostage with a billion people in poverty. They make them feel bad for making decisions against them. They understand white people love to feel superior and they feed into this and blackmail them into cooperation.

Kashmir has been treated worse than Ukraine for decades. They can literally get away with murder.
India has been on the wrong side of history vis-a-vis Russia for the last 70 odd years, and each time it escapes negative impact from the West due to it's billions plus market and eagerness to play a toady to the West.
 
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:coffee: USA and EU had to learn this the hard way

  • Pakistan took resolution for Kashmiri people , USA and EU seemed on vacation
  • Pakistan showed video and picture evidence they rewarded India with deals and free goodies

The undisputed love for India backfired, when it was time to vote , they bit the hand like a Snake , to hand which fed it


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USA also imported Indians by bucket loads
  • Nuclear deal

Canada imported 1,000,000 people from India annually since 2010
and majority of US sensitive data some form of it is in Indian hands

  • Banking
  • Employment verification
  • Insurance
  • SSN

What is hilarious is some of the Multi factor authentication also seem to come from Indian phone number most people have not searched the source of that number
 
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Several of the blue are Slavic countries, former Soviet satellite states, and Ex Warsaw pact members who want to be part of Free Europe -- free from Russian threat.
Free from Communism, yes. Soviet administration was insane when it came to suppressing a target group. I can understand the turdstorm that the Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, etc., faced.

But free and independent?

More like:

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...after drubbing from AUKUS, I believe that the French have now made the decision to share their nuclear sub tech. with India.

Modi is a US lackey. West will never share nuclear tech with India. India was not even offered F-35.

Why should we oppose Russia ?

They stood by us during 1971 when US sent their navy in bay of bengal.

Russia shared SSBN, s400 tech which no western country will ever do.

US wants us to support their alliance but won't give strategic tech.

That's not how it works.

Did you check with Modi before posting it?
 
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