The PAF's quest for a hi-tech platform

[All-Green]

Pakistan's current western platform acquisition (BLK-52) is a stop gap measure, to have a minimum required number of hi tech platforms till our transition to Chinese hi tech platforms, FC-20 and eventually a 5th generation fighter (very much a reality considering our ties and cooperation level with China).

We can easily shop for western avionics to be fitted in JF-17, so it shall be the focus of heavy modifications by PAF and will be high tech enough to make PAF a truly modern Air force.

China is doing a lot of R&D and spending heavily, so it logically is really beneficial for Pakistan to enter Chinese projects not only to get excellent platforms but also to enhance its technological capabilities.

Not practical to go to Russia since we cannot expect same level of cooperation from them and Chinese have already got a lot of information on Russian designs.

 

[chirag.s]

hi all-green

what do you mean by stop-gap measure till you have chinese planes
if f-16 blk 50/52 is a stop-gap measure then those chinese planes you are getting must be must be better than f-16 blk 50/52. please enlighten me

thank you

 

[spurdozer]

chirag.s FC20 aka j-10B and JXX would be very much better than F-16 blk-52. Isn't it simple!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[hj786]

hi all-green
what do you mean by stop-gap measure till you have chinese planes
if f-16 blk 50/52 is a stop-gap measure then those chinese planes you are getting must be must be better than f-16 blk 50/52. please enlighten me
thank you

According to the PAF Air Chief, the FC-20 (an upgraded J-10 also called J-10B) will be even more advanced than block 52 F-16 and in the same league as Rafale and even Typhoon! He also said it will have PESA radar and TVC.
We are not sure if this is true yet, but according to some American forums, the Chinese must have block 52 technology otherwise America would have been too scared to sell block 52 F-16 to PAF.
Also, people on the Chinese forums are saying there has been some kind of new aircraft being tested recently, it MIGHT be the J-10B (FC-20).

So yes, we think PAF's new J-10s (they will be delivered at end of this year or early next year according to inside sources) should be better than block 52 and after the JF-17 is upgraded over the next few years, it is supposed to be better than block 52 as well.
But we are not 100% sure yet!

Spurdozer no need to be like that to the new member, he doesn't know much about Chinese aircraft that is all.

 

[All-Green]

hi all-green

what do you mean by stop-gap measure till you have chinese planes
if f-16 blk 50/52 is a stop-gap measure then those chinese planes you are getting must be must be better than f-16 blk 50/52. please enlighten me

thank you

Hello chirag.s,

F-16 blk 52 is a versatile and lethal fighter by all means and with good piloting it can hold its own against the best.
My suggestion of its procurement being a stop gap measure is due to the reason that USA as a supplier for PAF has not been reliable and this shall not change.
PAF has realized this and is more interested in Chinese ventures by which we can reduce cost, increase our in house capabilities and get weapon systems which are much superior to our current fleet of aircraft.
If the FC-20 delivered to Pakistan in first batch is not superior to blk 52, it shall be close enough (as per indications by many experts) to be a major improvement in PAF.

Rest assured---with the rapid development of Chinese technology, the Pak Chinese ventures shall have much more room for improvement/enhancement and that to me is a very big bonus to have.

 

[chirag.s]

hi all-green

good to know that, one more question where exactly are your planes built for example in nasik HAL builds su-30s and upgrades migs there and in bangalore HAL is testing and building ALH ,LCA .geographically where is it built after tot.

 

[duhastmish]

sir chirag

Pakistan's Pakistan Aeronautical Complex is where they service, assemble and manufacture aircraft which is located Kamra, Punjab, Pakistan. which is suppose to be world's third largest assembly plant.they also produce almost 40 % of aircraft requirements of Pakistan.

Thank you

 

[Super Falcon]

i dont think so J 10 be comparable to SU 35 and F 22 and F 35 but it will be comparable to SU 30 MKK of chaina and SU 30MKI of india

 

[PAFAce]

Pakistan, in the past, has seriously considered buying Russian tech. For the most part, their defence industry has no problems with selling to Pakistan. Their politicians, however, are a different story. When we were looking at the Su-27 as a possible hi-tech solution, the Russian leaders were apprehensive, and the Indians quickly signed the agreement for the order of Su-30s.

When you think about it. The Russians for us will be exactly like the Americans. American defence firms have no issues with selling to Pakistan. It is their politicians that are the issue. The Russians will be no different.

Therefore, we must stick with the Chinese and other neutral sources (ex. Swedes for the Grippen) for our requirements. An increased focus on self-reliance is always good. In m opinion, we are still heavily reliant on the West for avionics, radars and other modern electronic equipment. After the success of the JF-17, Pakistan must seriously consider avionics development. I am specialising in Controls and Energy Systems, so I have a good idea as to how much R&D goes into developing these systems. However, I also know tha the fruits of the resources spent on control development are immense.

As for the hi-tech issue, I agree with most of you when it comes to the FC-20s and Block 52s. I think that, for the first time in a long time, the PAF will finally have a front-line force that we desire.

 

[spurdozer]

sir super falcon, your knowledge is much more than mine but what I have read on many forums and articles is that Su-35 is actually a russian copy of the su-30 MKI. So how could FC-20 be better than SU-30 MKI but not better than SU-35.
Another question in my mind is sir, that FC-20 from what I have gathered would be a J-10B upgraded with western technology, now the question in my mind is would FC-20 be able to carry only chinese missiles or they can carry other western missiles. I would be grateful to you or any of the other senior members for answering this?

 

[spurdozer]

sorry chirag.s I was a little too harsh on you. Sorry again.

 

[Manticore]

i've heard 2 rumours.. kindly ellaborate them..

1] pakistan might be working with china on jxx

2]pakistan is thinking of cooperating with turkey and some other countries on some 5th gen design?

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what are the basis of these rumours?any ideas?

 

[Super Falcon]

my dear friend SU 30 and SU 35 and SU 37 are very much different to each other SU 35 have more speed more range more agile and its cockpit is very much different to SU 30 please read my thread which i opened recently with the name of SU 35 you can get the different between SU 30 and SU 35 and yes i think J 10 will be able to carry different types of missiles which will be chinese made copies of russian R 27 etc and some frencf missiles too be installed in it and also antiradiation missiles which we will get from brazil

 

[Super Falcon]

my dear friend SU 30 and SU 35 and SU 37 are very much different to each other SU 35 have more speed more range more agile and its cockpit is very much different to SU 30 please read my thread which i opened recently with the name of SU 35 you can get the different between SU 30 and SU 35 and yes i think J 10 will be able to carry different types of missiles which will be chinese made copies of russian R 27 etc and some frencf missiles too be installed in it and also antiradiation missiles which we will get from brazil

 

[mean_bird]

According to the PAF Air Chief, the FC-20 (an upgraded J-10 also called J-10B) will be even more advanced than block 52 F-16 and in the same league as Rafale and even Typhoon! He also said it will have PESA radar and TVC.

sir chirag

Pakistan's Pakistan Aeronautical Complex is where they service, assemble and manufacture aircraft which is located Kamra, Punjab, Pakistan. which is suppose to be world's third largest assembly plant.they also produce almost 40 % of aircraft requirements of Pakistan.

Thank you

Those are some tall claims and you guys are stating them as facts not rumors. Would be very much interested in some proof of those.

thanks.