The next Indo-Pak war: Opportunity for opportunists

[Gufi]

India initiates a cold start or whatever, but a large scale push into Pakistan and they are forced or in deliberation use the nukes either tactical on on the advancing forces killing thousand troops or conventional nukes on any of our cities ( I hope initially it will be on one or max to cities) and India never retaliate with nukes instead stick with conventional fighting methods.

breaking a main battle line is not easy near cities... look at the Syrian and Iraqi example currently to see how hard it is for an army with total air dominance to attack large cities and move forward there.
Large scale push into Pakistan will be in the desert area trying to cut cities off... just like the war mongering statement by a delusional leader in India about Sindh... that is the perfect area for a tactical nuclear attack after protocols are followed.

Now what will happen to Pakistan, will their all weather friend(s) be able to save Pakistan from the wrath of international community.

actually yes, they will. China can not have Pakistan sanctioned after investing heavily in CPEC. Russia has a first use policy and will not push hard on any side, the US will hate us but that is what is going to happen as it is. Now look at the inverse when India goes to war, it loses its GDP, FDI, and comes under similar sanctions as Pakistan will. And it loses a lot of troops.

on a side note see a psychiatrist if u can talk about killing your own soldiers like it is a game, you need professional help. Nuc our troops etc etc...

 

[Chichago_bulls]

breaking a main battle line is not easy near cities... look at the Syrian and Iraqi example currently to see how hard it is for an army with total air dominance to attack large cities and move forward there.
Large scale push into Pakistan will be in the desert area trying to cut cities off... just like the war mongering statement by a delusional leader in India about Sindh... that is the perfect area for a tactical nuclear attack after protocols are followed.

actually yes, they will. China can not have Pakistan sanctioned after investing heavily in CPEC. Russia has a first use policy and will not push hard on any side, the US will hate us but that is what is going to happen as it is. Now look at the inverse when India goes to war, it loses its GDP, FDI, and comes under similar sanctions as Pakistan will. And it loses a lot of troops.

on a side note see a psychiatrist if u can talk about killing your own soldiers like it is a game, you need professional help. Nuc our troops etc etc...

Whatever keeps your boat afloat.

 

[Gufi]

Bro we need to calm down ... lets acknowledge the fact currently on diplomatic front we are on loosing end ... do you want to be north korea who has done nothing but still has one of the worst perception or you want to be israel who is one of the worst but still manages its percption ...

We can not excel in the diplomatic front currently with the world economy how it is India seems like a market which can prop up the world from a recession for some time because of the growth opportunity there. In time, with the current policy that is being pursued, we as a nation have to just shut up, stay quiet and work on our internal issues and screw the world for some time. In ten years India will be a place of greater class barriers, worse poverty, and fractures on many lines. We just need to let them implode, and with more measures like the demonetisation fiasco, we just need to wait and bide our time.

 

[Soumitra]

The question is are Indians prepared to get obliterated by nukes. Is there hate for Pakistan strong enough to motivate them to put their lives, cities and economy on the line? India thinks if they engage in a conventional war with Pakistan, Pakistan would do the same. They are mistaken, this point has to hit home.

The question is are Pakistanis prepared to get obliterated by nukes. Is there hate for India strong enough to motivate them to put their lives, cities and economy on the line? Pakistan thinks if they engage in a proxy war with India, and use Tactical/Strategic nukes when India retaliates, India would do nothing. They are mistaken, this point has to hit home.

top Indian civil and military leaders are regularly voicing threatening messages. We have every right and reason to be discussing the topic at hand.

1 None of the Civilian or Military Leaders threaten to Nuke Pakistan. The Nuking threats come from the other side

2 All threatening messages are preceded by a caveat - If Pakistan continues to support terrorism and separatists then only we will take action.

 

[Centurion2016]

We just need to let them implode, and with more measures like the demonetisation fiasco, we just need to wait and bide our time.

Pakistan is far more likely to implode than india

in ten years time as a Pakistani you will not be too happy with what india may achieve economically and politically especially with a forward thinking nationalistic leader like modi

 

[The Accountant]

We can not excel in the diplomatic front currently with the world economy how it is India seems like a market which can prop up the world from a recession for some time because of the growth opportunity there. In time, with the current policy that is being pursued, we as a nation have to just shut up, stay quiet and work on our internal issues and screw the world for some time. In ten years India will be a place of greater class barriers, worse poverty, and fractures on many lines. We just need to let them implode, and with more measures like the demonetisation fiasco, we just need to wait and bide our time.

Sir rightly said ... This could be one of the option but still we need to tackle it ... I dont think we can disappear from the world forum coz of afghanistan, cpec and middle east crisis ... World will not let us to be neutral .. And even if we somehiw manage than it would mean that we are allowing others to take side with india ...

Still your suggestion also worth a debate and deep thinking and i cannot simply reject it ...

 

[Gufi]

Pakistan is far more likely to implode than india

no the trend in Pakistan has moved away from the mindset that was letting the nation be exploited by a few. While India is taking steps in the wrong direction for them.

 

[Kyoto]

Pakistan is far more likely to implode than india

in ten years time as a Pakistani you will not be too happy with what india may achieve economically and politically especially with a forward thinking nationalistic leader like modi

Modi is a good leader (for most of India) although I'm sure he will not live up to his full promises. Pakistan needs a Modi without the complicity in progroms and I'm sure it would be a major economy by 2050. But even with the post 9/11 chaos Pakistan is still ahead of India in many development indicators, imagine if they had a non-corrupt honest one. Also there is no serious risk of Pakistan collapsing contrary to the propaganda from Pakistan-obsessed Indians.

 

[Jamwal's]

Conventional war might be out of question but there is a scope of limited conflict especially in North.


A limited conflicted which is more intense than events occurred post sep 2016

 

[Cherokee]

What most of the people on this thread are missing is there is never gonna be another full scale war between India and Pakistan (after '71) . India is gonna wail and moan about about terrorism and Pakistan is gonna beat its rib cage over Kashmir .

 

[The Accountant]

Pakistan is far more likely to implode than india

in ten years time as a Pakistani you will not be too happy with what india may achieve economically and politically especially with a forward thinking nationalistic leader like modi

Yyou are still living in dream world created by your media ...

 

[Gufi]

Sir rightly said ... This could be one of the option but still we need to tackle it ... I dont think we can disappear from the world forum coz of afghanistan, cpec and middle east crisis ... World will not let us to be neutral .. And even if we somehiw manage than it would mean that we are allowing others to take side with india ...

We have nothing to give the world at the moment, when we did we traded it for a few jets and paltry short term gains. Anyway the situation will improve, the Middle East, the SCS, and America itself will be in the headlines. Unless there is some extraordinary event, most probably a limited war, marital law, etc, we can easily remain in the shadows but that needs dedicated leadership not begging for money and exploiting the situation towards that end

Yyou are still living in dream world created by your media ...

please let it be, it suits us better.

 

[My-Analogous]

Everyone fears Pak nukes.

They fear because they want to attack us and they know we can use these baby on them. If they are friendly to us then why they are fearing?

 

[The Accountant]

We have nothing to give the world at the moment, when we did we traded it for a few jets and paltry short term gains. Anyway the situation will improve, the Middle East, the SCS, and America itself will be in the headlines. Unless there is some extraordinary event, most probably a limited war, marital law, etc, we can easily remain in the shadows but that needs dedicated leadership not begging for money and exploiting the situation towards that end


please let it be, it suits us better.

I pray that what you are saying comes true ... thanks ...

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Everyone fears Pak nukes.

Its good, they should all fear. Deterrence achieved with open and hidden enemies. But on the paper, its your existence which is in danger, not the so called world.