The Muslim country that dislikes Iran almost as much as Israel

[FaujHistorian]

With all due respect, did you understand yourself what you just tried to say?

--- Do you know why during GW-1 so many emotional Pakistanis made HUGE billboards of Saddam Hussain and installed them forcefully in many major cities? even at the cost of severe ramifications for Pakistan?

--- Do you know Gaddafi is still a hero (a sports stadium still named after him) even when Libyans beat the same Gaddafi with shoes and shot him? Clearly us being out of sync with ordinary Libyans.


When I share with you why specific Pakistanis behave the way they do towards Iran, Please take it seriously.

If tomorrow, Iranian youth topples Iranian ayatullah regime, believe you me, many among us will continue the same Ayatullahs as our heroes (even at the cost of good relations with iranian people).

Thank you.

 

[Spring Onion]

Actually we the Pakistanis are horribly sectarian.

There is support for Iran, n not because of them being Shia
It is because Ayatullahs and their chants.

Pakistani people are totally unaware that ordinary Iranian is pro-West to the core.

Youth in Iran grew up long after the 79 revolution. So they do not share the world view of Ayatuallahs.

So the picture is more complicated than what is shown in the survey.

peace

how many in Pakistan know about Ayatullahs?

anyway i feel it is because of Iranian macho sounding stance against US

 

[FaujHistorian]

Sire had the average Abdul been secterian we would not have had shia heads of state,COAS's etc...

The truth is that the average Abdul don't give a sh-t abt sects unless you don't finger his beliefs ... Half of my family is shia ...


In my univ -- dorm/hostel we were 4 ppl (illegals roommates included).. 2 Sunnis,1 (me) and another shia ... We never had any "conflict" over beliefs... All of us praye at the same mosque (in our hostel - univ).... Even the sajdagah (soil from Karbala) is placed with the Holy Quran in our room...

Look bhai jaan,

I just got back from Iftari from a childhood friend who just happens to be Shia. We said prayer together, him with Karbala clay on his sajda and me without one. I opened my roza few minutes late, so that we all follow Shia method and timing.

But that doesn't mean we as a nation are not sectarian.

Our laws related to religion, our implementation of fiqh all that is clearly Sunni sectarian.


So please, I respect you, and so I urge you to accept the reality.

thank you.

how many in Pakistan know about Ayatullahs?

anyway i feel it is because of Iranian macho sounding stance against US

Thank you.

You said it.

We as a nation do not understand Ayatullahs.

But we are with them due to a stupid macho stance in the world.

Thank you.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Serpentine How does Iran juxtapose India's 'tight hug' of Isreal? Is this indicative of very good Indian balancing act of keeping a "friend and foe" balanced out or is there something I have not taken into account?
We also see US/India now almost Siames twins. The US+Isreal-Iran+India+Isreal+US equation seems rather odd. Is this pragmatic realpolitic on part of Iran or incredible Indian diplomatic skills?

 

[RAMPAGE]

we dont have anything to complain about iran. they never invaded us, which is a positive.

LOLWAAA

 

[K M Cariappa]

@Serpentine How does Iran juxtapose India's 'tight hug' of Isreal? Is this indicative of very good Indian balancing act of keeping a "friend and foe" balanced out or is there something I have not taken into account?
We also see US/India now almost Siames twins. The US+Isreal-Iran+India+Isreal+US equation seems rather odd. Is this pragmatic realpolitic on part of Iran or incredible Indian diplomatic skills?

Though I have not been invited to comment upon, I would still like to give my two cents for the same:
I consider the diplomatic balance of India viz a viz Iran and Israel to be an extension of the nations Non-aligned mentality/policy... On one hand maintaining relationship with Iran even after Western pressure India seeks to show that it will not severe its relationship with other nation just for someone else's pleasure or as some commentator said " To show that India is not Britain".

Now as for Israel my best guess is the political class in India came to realization that so far they have been unsuccessful in changing the view of the Arab world when in came to the Kashmir issue who have supported Pakistan wholeheartedly. So rather then barking up the wrong tree "again", they decided to try something else.( Just my guess)

Now from IRAN's POV having relations with a nation who has relationship with the nation which they consider to be their enemy is realpolitik. In fact this India-Iran-Israel conundrum of relationship should be the definition of realpolitik. Both Iran and Israel turn a blind when India does relationship with anyone of them because they realize having relationship based upon ideological notions or moral ethics is not the common norm in the Geo-political scenario....

I would like to quote Iran's ambassador to India who recently said " If Israel is your friend don't let them chose your enemy", which in essence is what India aims to achieve/maintain when it comes to its diplomatic relationship...

 

[Serpentine]

@Serpentine How does Iran juxtapose India's 'tight hug' of Isreal? Is this indicative of very good Indian balancing act of keeping a "friend and foe" balanced out or is there something I have not taken into account?
We also see US/India now almost Siames twins. The US+Isreal-Iran+India+Isreal+US equation seems rather odd. Is this pragmatic realpolitic on part of Iran or incredible Indian diplomatic skills?

As you know brother, many countries have diplomatic relations with Israel, so we can't tell them to stop it in our favor, not only it's not possible, but also not logical. India tries to maintain a balancing act between Iran-Israel, and I hope at least, it remains the same way. India has economic relations with Iran, and it's not small. So it's in their own interests too to maintain a neutral stance, not only in this case, but also similar cases out of South Asia. The same can be said about Pakistan. Pakistan should never take sides in any conflict that does not directly damage its interests. Decision on Yemen is the most recent one, and of course, a very wise one.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Though I have not been invited to comment upon, I would still like to give my two cents for the same:
I consider the diplomatic balance of India viz a viz Iran and Israel to be an extension of the nations Non-aligned mentality/policy... On one hand maintaining relationship with Iran even after Western pressure India seeks to show that it will not severe its relationship with other nation just for someone else's pleasure or as some commentator said " To show that India is not Britain".

Now as for Israel my best guess is the political class in India came to realization that so far they have been unsuccessful in changing the view of the Arab world when in came to the Kashmir issue who have supported Pakistan wholeheartedly. So rather then barking up the wrong tree "again", they decided to try something else.( Just my guess)

Now from IRAN's POV having relations with a nation who has relationship with the nation which they consider to be their enemy is realpolitik. In fact this India-Iran-Israel conundrum of relationship should be the definition of realpolitik. Both Iran and Israel turn a blind when India does relationship with anyone of them because they realize having rather relationship based upon ideological notions or moral ethics is not the common norm in the Geo-political scenario....

I would like to quote Iran's ambassador to India who recently said " If Israel is your friend don't let them chose your enemy", which in essence is what India aims to achieve/maintain when it comes to its diplomatic relationship...

Of course. I understand why India has done this. I see it as simple Machiavellianism being practiced as a fine art form. I wish only that Pakistan would do the same. You must realize that the smaller you are ( or you don't have some asset like oil to offset size ) your more vulnerable and thus more subject to external powers. Thus Pakistan could never ignore or tolerate US pressure as much as India because of the latter's shear size.

I think Pakistan would have been far better siding with Iran because of our geography. I think what we did in Afghanistan should have been done in partnership with Iran. I also think we should have recognizsed Isreal. That of course is another story altogather.

Instead we did everything to make our life difficult by adding more burden and more obstacles ....

 

[livingdead]

As you know brother, many countries have diplomatic relations with Israel, so we can't tell them to stop it in our favor, not only it's not possible, but also not logical. India tries to maintain a balancing act between Iran-Israel, and I hope at least, it remains the same way. India has economic relations with Iran, and it's not small. So it's in their own interests too to maintain a neutral stance, not only in this case, but also similar cases out of South Asia. The same can be said about Pakistan. Pakistan should never take sides in any conflict that does not directly damage its interests. Decision on Yemen is the most recent one, and of course, a very wise one.

the real balancing act is between Iran and KSA, we cant appear to be closer to one or the other. Both these countries are quite happy if we maintain relation with israel, as long as it does not affect them directly.

 

[bozorgmehr]

@Serpentine How does Iran juxtapose India's 'tight hug' of Isreal? Is this indicative of very good Indian balancing act of keeping a "friend and foe" balanced out or is there something I have not taken into account?
We also see US/India now almost Siames twins. The US+Isreal-Iran+India+Isreal+US equation seems rather odd. Is this pragmatic realpolitic on part of Iran or incredible Indian diplomatic skills?

I personally don't see this great buddy-buddy relationship between India and Iran. India is after its own interests and so is Iran. I believe the relationship is more business like, than a strategic partnership borne out of similar principles or world views. The Indian political establishment didn't hesitate to make 180 degree turn on its relationship with Iran, at 1 o'clock in the morning, before that crucial nuclear vote. So that goes to show the depth of the relationship.

But the kindred feelings of the people in each country is a different matter and I personally appreciate and promote it... with everybody...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I personally don't see this great buddy-buddy relationship between India and Iran. India is after its own interests and so is Iran. I believe the relationship is more business like, than a strategic partnership borne out of similar principles or world views. The Indian political establishment didn't hesitate to make 180 degree turn on its relationship with Iran, at 1 o'clock in the morning, before that crucial nuclear vote. So that goes to show the depth of the relationship.

But the kindred feelings of the people in each country is a different matter and I personally appreciate and promote it... with everybody...

Absolutely agree. A very apt description of the relationship.

 

[livingdead]

I personally don't see this great buddy-buddy relationship between India and Iran. India is after its own interests and so is Iran. I believe the relationship is more business like, than a strategic partnership borne out of similar principles or world views. The Indian political establishment didn't hesitate to make 180 degree turn on its relationship with Iran, at 1 o'clock in the morning, before that crucial nuclear vote. So that goes to show the depth of the relationship.

But the kindred feelings of the people in each country is a different matter and I personally appreciate and promote it... with everybody...

Its true, and I wont have it any other way. The reason pakistanis need to side with KSA is not due to higher morality or emotions (they are not stupid) but thats the necessity for them, thats the side they chose for mutual benefit.
When push came to shove, even we chose side(soviets), because it made sense, and was need of the hour.

 

[Kaniska]

@Serpentine How does Iran juxtapose India's 'tight hug' of Isreal? Is this indicative of very good Indian balancing act of keeping a "friend and foe" balanced out or is there something I have not taken into account?
We also see US/India now almost Siames twins. The US+Isreal-Iran+India+Isreal+US equation seems rather odd. Is this pragmatic realpolitic on part of Iran or incredible Indian diplomatic skills?

I have a very simple answer....You are right in one way..India is not such great in diplomacy as it is hyped up in our TV channel...But one good thing BJP GOv has done is that, India playes its cards where it is directly benifitted...That implies, We are least worried about what happens in Palestine...rather we are worries and concern about our bilateral relation with India - Iran and India - Isreal.....If Isreal or Iran brings up Palestine issue, we have simple answer....India is not big stake holders in Palestine conflict that whatever India says will have any impact on Palestine issue...So why should Iran or Isreal really care about what India thinks of Palestine issue?....

If in future, i highly doubt it, India has a stake in Palestine conflict, then of course, India has to make choices...Till that point of time, India will take both Iran and Isreal as bilateral partner where India will decide based on our interests and we will not use ourselves to be used against neither Iran nor Isreal..

 

[Ceylal]

Marking the resumption of talks over Iran's nuclear programme, the Pew Research Centre conducted a major survey into how the world views the Islamic Republic.

More than 45,000 people were polled across 40 countries, with the end result being that a global median of 58 per cent say they have an unfavourable view of Iran, versus a positive view of 23 per cent.

A higher proportion of Israelis than any other nationality had a negative view of Iran (92 per cent), but just behind was Jordan (89 per cent), Spain and Italy (both 87 per cent).

In comparison in the US and UK the percentage of people saying they had an unfavourable view of Iran was 76 and 62 respectively.

At the other end of the spectrum, Pakistan was the only country polled where a majority of people (57 per cent) had a favourable view of Iran; one of only four countries (the others being Vietnam, Ghana and Ethiopia) to have, on balance, an overall positive view of Iran.

Source: Pew

http://i100.independent.co.uk/artic...kes-iran-almost-as-much-as-israel--WJNewDrDfg

Saw the map that was enough for me. It a piece of garbage like the @ss who posted the thread. North africa from Morocco to Egypt have never been pro Israel, majority of them , Especially , with no sectarian divide are for Iran. To come to the rulers that is a different cotton candy. From M6 to the food stamp card carrying wren of jordan, from Sissi to all the GCC spineless earthworms of the GCC are in fact and de facto Israel's doormat.

 

[livingdead]

I have a very simple answer....You are right in one way..India is not such great in diplomacy as it is hyped up in our TV channel...But one good thing BJP GOv has done is that, India playes its cards where it is directly benifitted...That implies, We are least worried about what happens in Palestine...rather we are worries and concern about our bilateral relation with India - Iran and India - Isreal.....If Isreal or Iran brings up Palestine issue, we have simple answer....India is not big stake holders in Palestine conflict that whatever India says will have any impact on Palestine issue...So why should Iran or Isreal really care about what India thinks of Palestine issue?....

If in future, i highly doubt it, India has a stake in Palestine conflict, then of course, India has to make choices...Till that point of time, India will take both Iran and Isreal as bilateral partner where India will decide based on our interests and we will not use ourselves to be used against neither Iran nor Isreal..

Palestine is bullshit non issue for most countries in ME, except israel perhaps. The real issue is, Iran and KSA are fighting for supremacy, and israel is siding with KSA.
Pakistan is clearly in KSA camp, and with rest of the groups cannot be seen openly to be with Israel. However just like KSA, they secretly deal with Israel.