The Mullah + Dark Sate Alliance in the Future

[veg]

who if not Missing person is causing explosions, attempting to cause explosions in Baluchistan, attacking fence builders and their scouting/surveying parties? Khalai makhlook? @ veg

Sir, this is a difference between terrorists and the State. If State also starts acting like the terrorists (i.e. above the law) then things will become only worse.

Please understand that State and Agencies have Enough Powers to handle these terrorists. They could detain any person for 90 days and interrogate, or even use the torture, or even take extension from the Court. ONLY thing which the agencies don't have to do is to not make the people "missing". This is the wise way of doing things.

Also, if the dark state really wants to run the show and disable the civil authorities, then they have to show wisdom and justice.

What would the poor thirsty people of Karachi think about the dark state where Rangers are in Karachi for the last 30 years, thousands of people they abducted, but not a SINGLE imprisonment of Tanker Mafia? What would the people of Karachi think when they see that people like Rao Anwar still moving freely? Is it really wise?

At moment, the perception of the dark state is this that they are above the law and could abduct any one and no one could question them. It is not a good perception. Activities of the Dark State must come under the law.

 

[doorstar]

Sir, this is a difference between terrorists and the State. If State also starts acting like the terrorists (i.e. above the law) then things will become only worse.

Please understand that State and Agencies have Enough Powers to handle these terrorists. They could detain any person for 90 days and interrogate, or even use the torture, or even take extension from the Court. ONLY thing which the agencies don't have to do is to not make the people "missing". This is the wise way of doing things.

Also, if the dark state really wants to run the show and disable the civil authorities, then they have to show wisdom and justice.

What would the poor thirsty people of Karachi think about the dark state where Rangers are in Karachi for the last 30 years, thousands of people they abducted, but not a SINGLE imprisonment of Tanker Mafia? What would the people of Karachi think when they see that people like Rao Anwar still moving freely? Is it really wise?

At moment, the perception of the dark state is this that they are above the law and could abduct any one and no one could question them. It is not a good perception. Activities of the Dark State must come under the law.

I think you misunderstood me, my meaning was that so-called missing are not really missing but lurking in the shadows

 

[Mentee]

Pakistani people always felt and do feel that there is something uncontrollable in Pakistan. Many people many theories. Some of the people believe that this "deep establishment state", is responsible for every bad happening in Pakistan. They are partially correct.
I have observed things from grass root level to top level, and let me tell you this day, what that force actually is.

Some people, belonging to every walk of life are connected(some how). They may be politicians(top level or worker level, having a lot of interests outside Pakistan, and that interest is increasing with increase in corruption in Pakistan ), they may be SHO of a local police station or may be IG, a news reporter, a NADRA desk officer, a Network administrator in a local cellular company, a Project director in some ministry, a Tapedar in district Local govt, a business tycoon dealing with national and international level projects, a secretary in some national level division(corrupt to death), a National bank officer having direct connection with many places(like IMF), a Military Brigadier being a pimp of international weapon vendors. All of these people some how support each other in their crimes. A news reporter who collects bhatta gives share to people from SHO to everybody in chain, to top.

They control things. On every level. And they have interests, like any other human being.

You can't change things in a company you are doing job in, cus you know some people are watching you.

That's deep state. Its around you, us, and some times we are the part of it too.

And of course Mullahs, as others, are also the part of this state, the deep state.

Pakistan can't be attacked because we have a very strong(though rotten) deep state.

Pakistan can't progress because of the same rotten deep state.

These are my observations I have seen things to a level that I often ask people: Is only nawaz corrupt?

@MastanKhan @Mentee

The bone of contention here is the feudal and tribal mind set, eroding, but would last for another half a century or more. Same like India although they've managed to mitigate its affect by brutal force - - - - - - -.

Gladly we aren't into the ridiculous bharti caste creeds.

Individuals have got more say in the general affairs of the public than the state, relatively speaking. Hence the I'll equipped, politically motivated and meak civil administration couldn't stand up to the regional bigwigs on their own, therefore we see military coups - - - - - - -

This has been the issue with more or less every Anglo sexon colony coz when you draw boundaries without taking into account the cultural and religious bonds of the people shit is bound to hit the fan. The more diverse the state is the more tiresome it becomes to administer it e.g British Indian union.

Moreover unlike others our military elite predominantly comes from the lower middle stratum, by the people of the people for the people, that's why we see the love care and passion being reciprocated by the military every now and then. Every behest by the Civil govt to shoot at the opponent political factions has been turned down in the past and in all those cases the officers involved instead decided to opt for early retirement.

On one side nation state is jealous of its constituting entities independent position and on the other hand it has to accommodate every such unit to protect its core nucleus.

Besides your tangential gripe has more to do with the sectarian dogmas than ground realities. A deep state is mandated with to hold the national fabric together and it exists all across the globe - - - - - the more disorder and mayhem a state faces the more brutal the deep state becomes. Only a successful political evolution could guarantee the extent of human rights which the inhabitants might get and Hopefully our military and judicial offices are proving to be a catalyst in this regard.

 

[fitpOsitive]

The bone of contention here is the feudal and tribal mind set, eroding, but would last for another half a century or more. Same like India although they've managed to mitigate its affect by brutal force - - - - - - -.

Gladly we aren't into the ridiculous bharti caste creeds.

Individuals have got more say in the general affairs of the public than the state, relatively speaking. Hence the I'll equipped, politically motivated and meak civil administration couldn't stand up to the regional bigwigs on their own, therefore we see military coups - - - - - - -

This has been the issue with more or less every Anglo sexon colony coz when you draw boundaries without taking into account the cultural and religious bonds of the people shit is bound to hit the fan. The more diverse the state is the more tiresome it becomes to administer it e.g British Indian union.

Moreover unlike others our military elite predominantly comes from the lower middle stratum, by the people of the people for the people, that's why we see the love care and passion being reciprocated by the military every now and then. Every behest by the Civil govt to shoot at the opponent political factions has been turned down in the past and in all those cases the officers involved instead decided to opt for early retirement.

On one side nation state is jealous of its constituting entities independent position and on the other hand it has to accommodate every such unit to protect its core nucleus.

Besides your tangential gripe has more to do with the sectarian dogmas than ground realities. A deep state is mandated with to hold the national fabric together and it exists all across the globe - - - - - the more disorder and mayhem a state faces the more brutal the deep state becomes. Only a successful political evolution could guarantee the extent of human rights which the inhabitants might get and Hopefully our military and judicial offices are proving to be a catalyst in this regard.

One thing that you will agree with me is that the deep state comprises of people, humans from Pakistan !?
People must correct themselves, everyone, that includes the so called deep state.
And btw, you have made your mind about me, and what ever I write here, you try to understand that in same context. This is not good.

 

[Zarvan]

Sorry to Nawaz Supporters, but your Qaid was corrupt, but one thing was good about him that he wanted to end the role of Dark Sate.
Sorry to PTI Supporters, your Qaid is non-Corrupt, but one thing is bad that he is a Tattu ٹٹو of the Dark State, and this thing is going to harm the Pakistani State in long run.

It was desired to fight the terrorism in Baluchistan. But the Dark State crossed it's limits and made itself above the law, and made people missing in Baluchistan.

Same pattern was repeated in Pukhtoonkhawa. Operation was needed, but making people missing was not desired.

Same pattern was repeated in Karachi. Operation was needed, but making people missing was not desired.

Same pattern we see against the Media where Dark Sate is not allowing the distribution of some newspapers and also abducting the journalists.

Nawaz Sharif tried to bring this dark state under the parliament, so that they could be controlled. But then we saw what Dark Sate did against Nawaz Sharif.

Dark State took all the cases back against Zardari and Dr. Asim at moment.

Imran Khan is at moment playing a ٹٹو role for the Dark State. But at some point there will surely be a clash, and Dark State will dispose off Imran Khan too as used tissue paper. This is the future of Pakistan at the hands of the Dark State.


First conclusion is Dark State has no fear from the Politicians and it will took full control upon them.


The Mullah + Dark Sate Alliance in the Future:

Dark State is able to threaten or abduct or make missing or killing the Politicians. Therefore, they don't fear the politicians and will make no alliance with them, but will make the politicians subordinates. This means the Civil government has always to follow the Dark Sate in foreign policies etc.

Although Dark State does not fear the politicians, but it does fear the Mullahs and their strength.

Therefore, we will see the Mullah+Dark State alliance very soon.

We could actually already feel this alliance while the Dark State already allowed all the banned organisations or their officials to take part in the elections.

Dark State always considered these Jihadi outfits somewhat it's own children in the past. Perhaps the Dark State wants the same for the future too.

Dark State also uses people like Rao Anwar for it's interests, just like the banned outfits. But then main Issues of Karachi people have not been addressed which were drinking water and an empowered local city government which could stop Karachi turning into garbage, and people of Karachi get rid of Zardari's indirect rule.

While the best interests of Pakistan is this that there should exist no dark state.

This dark state may be loyal to Pakistan, but sometimes one gets more harm from the stupid friend as compared to an enemy. And making itself above the law is main problem of the Dark State which makes it a stupid friend.

Nawaz wanted to end state role !!!!! GOOD JOKE only issue it's big fat lie. Nawaz even now is busy sending people to GHQ begging for mercy and NRO so please give me a break Nawaz never wanted the role end

 

[Jugger]

Even if pmln gets 2/3 majority in next elections, the dark state will still exist. The dark state is always there to undo the repeat of East Pakistan blunder which happened because dark state didn't exist back then. The dark state is necessary as long Pakistani politicians are disloyal to Pakistan. It won't come under civilian control because civilian government is corrupt to the core as we saw in yesterdays historic judgment

OR the reverse might be true, the dark state is the reason why there are corrupt politicians in Pakistan. The dark state maintains control through such puppet politicians so that there is no progressive reforms ever initiated from the public side.
This leads to a vicious circle where the dark state and corrupt politicians end up sucking the Pakistani economy dry, ultimately the common man in Pakistan is the victim.

And also the name dark state sounds evil and reminds me of the dark side of the force from Star Wars...LOL!

Also the dark state can only maintain control over Pakistan with the help of a bogeyman , and that bogeyman is India.
Obey or you will be destroyed by India... that’s their slogan.

 

[Areesh]

Whatever

May the force be with dark state

 

[Norwegian]

How is he more corrupt than any other Pakistani politician?

Admit it. This is a uniquely Pakistani trend. Your model of what passes for Democracy.

Every guy gets a term.

Then he lives in exile.

In extreme cases he is hanged.

Or his plane is brought down.

Or her car is blown up.

Cheers, Doc

Yusuf Raza Gilani, Raja Rental and many other Pms are still alive and kicking. You are misinformed

 

[veg]

Whatever

May the force be with dark state

It would not be a wise decision.
The force be with the State only, and not with the dark state.
Citizens should have trust in the State institution of Judiciary and transparency of the Justice. It is the way forward for the future of Pakistan.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Corrupt and corruption are everywhere. I strongly believe that either Nawaz or Ishaq Dar have done something that is not liked by our international masters. I dont know what is that, but I dont buy this upright judiciary or justice thing.

 

[Areesh]

It would not be a wise decision.
The force be with the State only, and not with the dark state.
Citizens should have trust in the State institution of Judiciary and transparency of the Justice. It is the way forward for the future of Pakistan.

Dark state is the state itself

And I fully support that.

 

[RoadRunner401]

It was desired to fight the terrorism in Baluchistan. But the Dark State crossed it's limits and made itself above the law, and made people missing in Baluchistan.

Same pattern was repeated in Pukhtoonkhawa. Operation was needed, but making people missing was not desired.

Same pattern was repeated in Karachi. Operation was needed, but making people missing was not desired.

Describe Dark state? Bad people going missing wasn't desired by whom?

 

[veg]

Describe Dark state? Bad people going missing wasn't desired by whom?

All the state organs, who play above the law, they are the dark state.

What is your proof that all missing people were the terrorists when dark state is playing the double role of administration and the judiciary at the same time?

What is the need of making people missing when the agencies got the full rights to stay transparent through detaining them for complete 90 days and interrogate them and even torture them? And even after that they could keep them in the prison through the courts which were heavily tilted in the favour of the agencies.

Torture is not so bad. But when you make people missing, then you are creating unnecessary problems.

Please read my earlier posts to see all my questions.

 

[RoadRunner401]

All the state organs, who play above the law, they are the dark state.

LOL, As suspected twisted bull crap, anybody that you don't like is Dark state, that's now how this works if you are going to accuse people you better have something to back up your claims.

What is your proof that all missing people were the terrorists

Nice try, you are the one claiming their innocence, not me, they could be figment of your imagination, according to you unknown people(dark state) took innocent people and they are missing, What proof do you have they were innocent or missing?

 

[veg]

LOL, As suspected twisted bull crap, anybody that you don't like is Dark state, that's now how this works if you are going to accuse people you better have something to back up your claims.

The missing of arrested people is proof enough of these extra judicial activities, but you conveniently turn your eyes blind.

Nice try, you are the one claiming their innocence, not me, they could be figment of your imagination, according to you unknown people(dark state) took innocent people and they are missing, What proof do you have they were innocent or missing?

Is it not the Universal Rule that one is innocent till proven guilty? But for Dark State you want to deny the Universal Rule and make another rule of one being guilty and a terrorist and should be killed extra judicially if Agencies arrest any person.