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Nothing wrong with that. Why would you want to broadcast your technical weaknesses? But that is not the point to start.

If your army have a machine gun, you do not test against a simulated opponent that have only single shot rifles. Your machine gun may have weaknesses, but at least you will be able to see if your army can tactically withstand an enemy that have a machine gun.

That is why Red Flag is something that no one else has and everyone wishes they get an invitation. Red Flag comes %90 close to actual combat. Participants at Red Flag engages in EW as well. The point is not that Red Flag have to simulate actual Soviet/Russian/Chinese hardware, even though the 507th Air Defense Aggressor Squadron...

https://www.nellis.af.mil/News/Article/284637/one-of-a-kind-squadron-trains-airmen-from-ground-up/

...Have a classified complement of actual Soviet/Russian/Chinese air defense radar and missile battery readied against Red Flag participants.

What the 507th have does not need to be the latest but only that the EW threat is sufficiently different than NATO. The goal is to make Red Flag participants create countermeasures when their systems detect something that is not in their threat libraries.

You ability to blow your own trumpet is amazing. My point was, and I will need to rephrase to make it clear, that testing against your own systems does not make your equipment more lethal, or better than others. And here you've given us a multi-paragraph spiel without actually addressing my point.

First, there is the very real possibility of 'technological incest', or an inbred culture far removed from reality. Second, any reasonably complex technological problem doesn't have one solution, it has infinite solutions. Every single solution point has different tradeoffs, and you simply don't have the capacity to test everything. Which brings you back to the same level as everyone else. Until and unless you go to war with nations who can actually take you on, you are merely bluffing.

I mean, everyone remembers how jets without cannons failed miserably in Vietnam. That calls to question the entire 'self testing' regime and its efficacy. Or at the very start of the Afghan war when thermobaric cave busters fizzled out in the Afghan winter. Let's be clear: your 'tested against your own self' systems failed miserably during conflict. Your as* was saved by your sheer size and the disparity between the belligerents. Such mistakes will have you losing wars against technologically advanced nations.

Yes, you may have approximations in the form of the 507th. But are you trying to imply that today you have the full measure of China/Russia's capabilities? Wait, I remember you said one China can never acquire excellence in semi-conductor manufacturing because there are too many old people set in their own archaic ways. Pot calls the kettle black.

No one is better than US at SIGINT. Simply put, no one is more foresighted than US.

As much as you like it to be, neither Russia nor China can defy the laws of physics. If we provoked a Chinese radar station to active state, what we collect from the ether will be enough for US to extrapolate with better than %75 accuracy as to the hardware that produced that signal. Then we can replicate those signals ourselves with our own hardware to test against our own fighters.

A SIGINT flight is not obligated to declare what it is like an airliner must. The reason is because the SIGINT aircraft does not seek to enter any sovereign airspace like the EP-3E in the Hainan Incident. That mean Soviet/Russian/Chinese air defense radars always go active when they encounter an unidentified target, and when they go active, the SIGINT aircraft collects vital EM signatures.

We have doing this for decades while the best the Soviets done was with 'fishing trawlers' that shadows US fleets in the oceans. China have zero experience in SIGINT at this time.

On this forum, there is a widely practiced custom of pasting a Burnol picture in response to Indian trolls. I feel compelled to give you a digital trumpet, but I'll refrain.

SIGINT 101: No one uses their actual wartime frequencies, search patterns, or even physical locations during war time. At least not nations that have the technical know how to produce everything from scratch. To use the most basic example, whereas in peace time you will see plane polarized radar waves, how do you know your enemies haven't perfected a method to generate and receive non-linear polarization that doesn't depend on atmospheric conditions? How do you know what polarization they will actually use in war? Same for the specific type of modulation used, patterns of frequency hopping etc.

And here again, a title holder is found passing deceptive information. You must think everybody is an ignoramus for you to peddle this false information.

And you used the wrong event to try to criticize US. We have yet to make our presence known in the South China Sea.

The mighty US cannot get their own aircraft and human crew back until China decides to give them back. Don't try to hide behind false postures. Even recently, the Chinese captured a US underwater drone and Trump was found saying 'If the Chinese want it, they can have it'. Yes, very mighty.

Recall? No, you do not know the details of the event AT ALL. Your lack of relevant experience is glaring, as is your unwillingness to remain in whatever domain that you know about. You did more than just took liberties with the event. Your usage of the word 'buzz' was meant to be demeaning of US as it is common among pilots that to 'buzz' someone is to make that person a victim of your superior position. Simply put -- you do not know what you are talking about. You failed your forum handle.

Pathetic attempt at clawing back what you lost earlier. Keep trying.

The PAF and the InAF are essentially at technological parity. Assume that what you say is true that the InAF have numerical superiority, it means the InAF can create contested airspaces of large scope inside Pakistan. Numerical superiority plus your demand for force preservation will nearly assure the InAF's air superiority over Pakistan's sovereign airspace.

Make no mistakes. Desert Storm was an important lesson for all air forces, especially those that have numerical superiority over its potential adversaries. Desert Storm taught air forces that have numerical superiority over its potential enemies the need to create contested airspaces in the early stages of an air campaign and to create with as much scope as possible.

And with technological superiority, a smaller airforce can deny any early attempts by a numerically larger force. That is the point of this thread.
 
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Are you trying to imply that S-200 is an x-ray machine?

What I am implying is that you have no clue what you are talking about.

You have no clue what the Israelis did or what the Syrians saw. For you it's some simple game of hide and seek because that's all you can think of.
 
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What I am implying is that you have no clue what you are talking about.

You have no clue what the Israelis did or what the Syrians saw. For you it's some simple game of hide and seek because that's all you can think of.

And for you it's what you can pull out if your unmentionables. Provide a reference for your claims.
 
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You ability to blow your own trumpet is amazing.
Thanks. But what is wrong with that anyway? Are we all here to speak for our respective countries of allegiances?

My point was, and I will need to rephrase to make it clear, that testing against your own systems does not make your equipment more lethal, or better than others. And here you've given us a multi-paragraph spiel without actually addressing my point.
I understood your point well. Better than you do.

What you failed to understand is that what make a weapon or weapon system more or less 'lethal' is less about the technological aspect of it but more from the human factor. You are like so many here practically obsessed with specs. If A jet have a higher speed than B, A must better than B. I constantly hope that air forces worldwide are infested with people like you. It will make their defeat by US so much sweeter.

Militaries worldwide admitted that what make the US military exceptional is the human factor, particularly the non-commissioned officers (NCO) corps. I repeated that over and over the yrs on this forum. Seemingly it never sank in. Creative people make the weapon lethal.

First, there is the very real possibility of 'technological incest', or an inbred culture far removed from reality.
This is sheer nonsense. It maybe applicable to other militaries, but not to US.

https://warisboring.com/america-has-a-long-tradition-of-covertly-flying-enemy-aircraft/

First, the USAF have a decades long history of acquiring and using foreign combat aircrafts against our own. That alone negate your charge of 'technological incest'.

Next on what you failed to understand is that you do not need the clone of what you acquire. All you need is the clone of the EFFECTS. That is why the T-38/F-5 platform gradually fell out of favor as the choice for an 'adversary' program and the F-16 replaced it. The F-16 can better replicate the maneuverability of the various Soviet/Russian fighters. Even so, we do not need to replicate the effects to %100 accuracy because the goal is to give pilots a chance to come up with their own ways to deal with something different.

Same with EW testing. We acquire foreign hardware to study how we could replicate the various operating freqs and signals characteristics.

Second, any reasonably complex technological problem doesn't have one solution, it has infinite solutions. Every single solution point has different tradeoffs, and you simply don't have the capacity to test everything. Which brings you back to the same level as everyone else.
Regarding the highlighted -- BULLSHIT.

If what you said is true, then your PAF would dismiss any chance to fly with US.

https://quwa.org/2016/07/27/pakistani-f-16s-red-flag-green-flag-exercises/
Six Pakistan Air Force (PAF) F-16C/D Block-52+ are taking part in Red Flag, which is termed as the “U.S. Air Force’s premier air-to-air combat training exercise.”
Explain why the PAF went to Red Flag if there is no way we can replicate everything from actual combat. Since we cannot replicate and test everything, Red Flag is just another useless exercise, right?

Until and unless you go to war with nations who can actually take you on, you are merely bluffing.
Damn good bluff, too. So far, no one, not even China, want to call it.

I mean, everyone remembers how jets without cannons failed miserably in Vietnam.
Really? I give you 'Operation Bolo'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bolo

To sum it up, in one day, the gunless F-4 wiped out half of North Vietnam's complement of MIG-21s. North Viet Nam literally ground the rest of MIG-21 fleet for MONTHS while the Soviets scrambled to give North Viet Nam solutions.

This is the point that you missed -- over and over despite my best effort to explain.

Red Flag, foreign technology exploitation, joint exercises, etc., came from the human factor. Unlike your perception of US, we know better than anyone where technology comes short. That is why we came up with all these programs.

That calls to question the entire 'self testing' regime and its efficacy. Or at the very start of the Afghan war when thermobaric cave busters fizzled out in the Afghan winter.
Source?

Let's be clear: your 'tested against your own self' systems failed miserably during conflict. Your as* was saved by your sheer size and the disparity between the belligerents. Such mistakes will have you losing wars against technologically advanced nations.
You have done anything but 'clear'. You cherry-picked certain instances and events and made your own absurd conclusions and the absurdity was compounded by your lack of relevant experience and your hatred of US.

Yes, you may have approximations in the form of the 507th. But are you trying to imply that today you have the full measure of China/Russia's capabilities?
Again...The goal is not to replicate to %100 but present something different.

The 507th uses foreign technologies, but more important, the unit develop tactics intends to defeat others as well as tactics to defeat itself. The 507th travels to other units in the US as well as allies. If what they do is so worthless, then why so many want their services?

Wait, I remember you said one China can never acquire excellence in semi-conductor manufacturing because there are too many old people set in their own archaic ways. Pot calls the kettle black.
Yeah...I would like to see that discussion in full context. :D

On this forum, there is a widely practiced custom of pasting a Burnol picture in response to Indian trolls. I feel compelled to give you a digital trumpet, but I'll refrain.
How nice, but I do not give a shit. This is not about your or me, but about giving the silent readers out there the American perspectives. Too bad for you.

SIGINT 101: No one uses their actual wartime frequencies, search patterns, or even physical locations during war time.
Wow...That is news. Contact the Pentagon...:lol:

All these decades of flying SIGINT missions, it never occurred, not once, to US, that the Soviets/Russians/Chinese may not be using actual war time freqs.

Are you that certain that our databases contains the same set of freqs all these yrs?

You must have contacts inside the Pentagon better than the Prez. :enjoy:

And here again, a title holder is found passing deceptive information. You must think everybody is an ignoramus for you to peddle this false information.
Versus your paranoia about 'backdoors' and secret 'kill switches'? I have a hell of a lot more reasonable arguments than you have for your delusions.

The mighty US cannot get their own aircraft and human crew back until China decides to give them back. Don't try to hide behind false postures. Even recently, the Chinese captured a US underwater drone and Trump was found saying 'If the Chinese want it, they can have it'. Yes, very mighty.
Hey...We gave the Soviets back the MIG-25 back in 1976. We could have kept it and there was nothing the Soviets could have done.

The reason why the Chinese gave US back the EP-3E is because they found out they got next to nothing of value from the aircraft. About the aircraft itself, there was nothing about it the Chinese already do not have. But on the intelligence gathering capabilities, the crew jettisoned critical equipment and mission data records before they landed in Hainan.

The entire incident became a black eye for China. Its pilots got lowered respect in the aviation community. It got caught in lying about the EP-3E's maneuver to ram the F-8, a claim so absurd no one believed it. China have no choice but to cave to US demands.

Pathetic attempt at clawing back what you lost earlier. Keep trying.

And with technological superiority, a smaller airforce can deny any early attempts by a numerically larger force. That is the point of this thread.
If you had really want this thread to be technical and logical, you would have left US out of it. But you cannot resist your childish impulse to criticize US.
 
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2 squadron of J-16 or J-11/16 variant with

*Bubble canopy, Glass cockpit/LCD, HUD and Helmet-mounted display-HMD
*Advanced avionics with Active Electronically Scanned Phased Array radar.
*Stealthy, supermaneuverable, supercruise capability, vertical stabilizers;
*Chinese or Russian engine with thrust vectoring (TVC) nozzles
*extensive use of composites/carbon fiber; lightweight alloys
*reduced radar cross-section (RCS)
*treated with radar-absorbent material (RAM)
*infra-red search and track (IRST)
*Electro-optical target system (EOTS)
*Infra Red Electronic Countermeasures (IRCM)
*Long ranger BVR missile/Radiation missile/Air to Surface missile/laser guided missile
*Merlin Turkish BVR missile
*Peregrine WVR Turkish missile with high-resolution dual-colour imaging infrared (IIR) seeker
*Aselsan HEWS’ DRFM-based jammer
*Laser weapon
 
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2 squadron of J-16 or J-11/16 variant with

*Bubble canopy, Glass cockpit/LCD, HUD and Helmet-mounted display-HMD
*Advanced avionics with Active Electronically Scanned Phased Array radar.
*Stealthy, supermaneuverable, supercruise capability, vertical stabilizers;
*Chinese or Russian engine with thrust vectoring (TVC) nozzles
*extensive use of composites/carbon fiber; lightweight alloys
*reduced radar cross-section (RCS)
*treated with radar-absorbent material (RAM)
*infra-red search and track (IRST)
*Electro-optical target system (EOTS)
*Infra Red Electronic Countermeasures (IRCM)
*Long ranger BVR missile/Radiation missile/Air to Surface missile/laser guided missile
*Merlin Turkish BVR missile
*Peregrine WVR Turkish missile with high-resolution dual-colour imaging infrared (IIR) seeker
*Aselsan HEWS’ DRFM-based jammer
*Laser weapon

You have to look at the sortie rates of these aircrafts for two different missions.

1) naval warfare for long range strikes
2) to strike military industrial complex
To weaken industrial military warfare capabilities for forward troops in action...

2 sq won’t be enough.. 4-6 for high sortie rate and simultaneous target with the help of Fighter escorts in Growler role
 
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And for you it's what you can pull out if your unmentionables. Provide a reference for your claims.

Can't give you logic and common sense.

Based on what you said, the Syrians saw a commercial airliner and destroyed it. That's your definition of hiding. Good luck.
 
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For air superiority, we may go for some used Euro Fighter Tranche 1 fighters, may be some Tranche 2. These however will be more of an air superiority planes than true multi role aircraft (That PAF seems to go traditionally - for some time now at least) . But there may be some Tranche-1 aircraft available on the cheap soon. Lets wait and see.
 
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I have read the debate between the honorable members Critical Thought & Gambit with great interest. I am not a military professional, only a humble engineer who spends a lot of time reading about the impact of technology on the human environment. Permit me to put in my two cents worth.

Ever since the Roman times, it has been the lower officer class of the Centurions & Cohort commanders that have been the key to ensuring the discipline and honing the fighting skills of the ordinary soldier. I would, therefore, concur with the Gambit’s statement about the competency of the NCO corps.

Technology alone does not give you the edge and that degree of cohesion, motivation, and leadership determine a combat unit's ability to fight proficiently. Primarily because whatever be the level & sophistication of the technology; be it military or non-military; its effective use also depends upon the competency of the person employing it.

An F-22 or B-2 Stealth bomber, without the required level of maintenance and the pilot proficiency, would give not much of an advantage over a 4th generation fighter flown by an expert. Similarly, even the best general leading an army of highly trained professional soldiers but equipped with out of date equipment will find it difficult to overcome an adversary of average capability with access to the real-time battle information and technologically advanced weapons.

During the Gulf war, F-17’s and other Allied planes could destroy Saddam Hussein’s infrastructure with impunity because the ground surveillance radars had been blinded and the F-17 were invisible to the radars & the AA artillery. It was the synergy of technology with the highly trained manpower which gave the Allies the easy victory.

At the end of the day, it boils down to two things.

Firstly, how much money you have to spend on the training & buying military hardware and secondly the level of education the ordinary serviceman has which enables him to absorb technology & make the best use of the sophisticated weaponry. Since the USA has the funds to buy the best and spend it on training the recruits who have already been educated to a decent level and are physically strong, she has the best fighting force in the world.

In my view, the only way to reduce the impact of sophisticated weaponry inducted by an economically strong India is thru honing the fighting skills of human resource. Like many 3rd world countries, Pakistan suffers from a perpetual shortage of funds. Also due to the lower literacy and high poverty levels of the population, our recruits, especially at the private level, lack the skills required to absorb highly sophisticated technology; the training and quality of the NCO’s are therefore supremely important.
 
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I have read the debate between the honorable members Critical Thought & Gambit with great interest. I am not a military professional, only a humble engineer who spends a lot of time reading about the impact of technology on the human environment. Permit me to put in my two cents worth.

Ever since the Roman times, it has been the lower officer class of the Centurions & Cohort commanders that have been the key to ensuring the discipline and honing the fighting skills of the ordinary soldier. I would, therefore, concur with the Gambit’s statement about the competency of the NCO corps.

Technology alone does not give you the edge and that degree of cohesion, motivation, and leadership determine a combat unit's ability to fight proficiently. Primarily because whatever be the level & sophistication of the technology; be it military or non-military; its effective use also depends upon the competency of the person employing it.

An F-22 or B-2 Stealth bomber, without the required level of maintenance and the pilot proficiency, would give not much of an advantage over a 4th generation fighter flown by an expert. Similarly, even the best general leading an army of highly trained professional soldiers but equipped with out of date equipment will find it difficult to overcome an adversary of average capability with access to the real-time battle information and technologically advanced weapons.

During the Gulf war, F-17’s and other Allied planes could destroy Saddam Hussein’s infrastructure with impunity because the ground surveillance radars had been blinded and the F-17 were invisible to the radars & the AA artillery. It was the synergy of technology with the highly trained manpower which gave the Allies the easy victory.

At the end of the day, it boils down to two things.

Firstly, how much money you have to spend on the training & buying military hardware and secondly the level of education the ordinary serviceman has which enables him to absorb technology & make the best use of the sophisticated weaponry. Since the USA has the funds to buy the best and spend it on training the recruits who have already been educated to a decent level and are physically strong, she has the best fighting force in the world.

In my view, the only way to reduce the impact of sophisticated weaponry inducted by an economically strong India is thru honing the fighting skills of human resource. Like many 3rd world countries, Pakistan suffers from a perpetual shortage of funds. Also due to the lower literacy and high poverty levels of the population, our recruits, especially at the private level, lack the skills required to absorb highly sophisticated technology; the training and quality of the NCO’s are therefore supremely important.

Very well put Sir. Indeed, one way for us to manage our adversaries is by raising the lowest common denominator. Which, in turn, is partially dependent upon our economic strength. I think you summarized some amazing policy pointers in your posts.
 
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Ever since the Roman times, it has been the lower officer class of the Centurions & Cohort commanders that have been the key to ensuring the discipline and honing the fighting skills of the ordinary soldier. I would, therefore, concur with the Gambit’s statement about the competency of the NCO corps.

Pakistan suffers from a perpetual shortage of funds. Also due to the lower literacy and high poverty levels of the population, our recruits, especially at the private level, lack the skills required to absorb highly sophisticated technology; the training and quality of the NCO’s are therefore supremely important.
Here is an excellent example of the importance of high quality enlisted people...

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...ew-dozens-captured-russian-fighter-jets-43522
"As soon as they got the hangars built, we started putting airplanes together," Don Lyon, a retired master sergeant and Constant Peg's assistant chief of maintenance from 1978 to 1981, said in the documentary. "We had pieces ... we had airframes and wings and all that stuff, but they weren't flyable."

"They took airplanes that had been pulled out of swamps and deserts -- and God knows where they got them -- we didn't even pre-flight them," Peck said. "We had that much trust in our maintenance team. They didn't let us down. They were good."
The enlisted crew of the Constant Peg program had next to nothing knowledge of the MIGs the USAF acquired and expected to be made flyable. Without these talented, dedicated, and simply curious people, Constant Peg could not have happened.

Then, once the program's MIGs were flyable, the benefits for the pilots were inevitable.

http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Documents/2007/April 2007/0407peg.pdf
If a pilot put the throttle back on a MiG-21, it would take a long time to spool up again when trying to accelerate. Thus many of those who flew it stayed on afterburners as much as possible.
What this mean for an American pilot who was trained by Constant Peg should he ever meet a MIG-21, he would know that the MIG-21 pilot would remain at high throttle as much as possible. When you know the constraints of your opponent, you can create countermeasures based upon those constraints.

The MiG-23 did not have that problem, as it was designed for speed—but it was unstable and difficult to fly.

And the MiG-23? Well, the Flogger pilot was going to make one pass and run. If he tried to turn, officials said, you owned him.
There is a bit of a paradox here. On the one hand, pilots are restrained by their machines, but on the other hand, the machines can increase the combat options a pilot has, options such as range and speed. So from our MIG-23s, we would have a better than %50 odds of knowing how a Soviet bloc pilot would fly his MIG-23, which is most likely a high speed dash, and create countermeasures for that tactic.

Throughout this debate, there is a persistent behavior by Mr. CriticalThought, which is continual underestimation and belittling of US. This is not rational considering the theme of the discussion.

This is what Mr. CriticalThought said in the first post of the discussion...

Thus, the most assured way forward for PAF is to spend all available funds towards seting up a semiconductor fabrication backbone, along with indigenous production of avionics and radars.
This is unrealistic in many ways.

What does 'all available funds' means? The entirety of the annual PAF allocation from the defense budget? For how long? It took US, JPN, SKR, China, and Taiwan literally decades to get all of us where we are today regarding the semicon industry in our respective countries. So all the while, the PAF is starved of funds to maintain and upgrade your existing defense hardware? As I am currently in the semicon industry, Intel's preference for its technicians is at least an AS or two yrs industry experience. Where is Pakistan going to get that kind of workforce in short order? A single semicon fab cost is in the billions, not counting people and what kind of product is it going to produce, but here he is talking about setting an entire industry 'backbone'.
 
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This is what Mr. CriticalThought said in the first post of the discussion...


This is unrealistic in many ways.

What does 'all available funds' means? The entirety of the annual PAF allocation from the defense budget? For how long? It took US, JPN, SKR, China, and Taiwan literally decades to get all of us where we are today regarding the semicon industry in our respective countries. So all the while, the PAF is starved of funds to maintain and upgrade your existing defense hardware? As I am currently in the semicon industry, Intel's preference for its technicians is at least an AS or two yrs industry experience. Where is Pakistan going to get that kind of workforce in short order? A single semicon fab cost is in the billions, not counting people and what kind of product is it going to produce, but here he is talking about setting an entire industry 'backbone'.

I dislike the choice of words I have to make, but only an absolute moron would take away the meaning you have written above. You really think I believe we can create a fabtech backbone at the turn of a wand? The thread is an invitation to my fellow countrymen to come forth and contemplate where we are and where we need to be. But along comes a known American agent, whose agenda is to keep Pakistanis mentally subjugated and makes every single effort to turn the debate to 'tactics', 'man behind the machine', and NCOs. @niaz is completely right about education, and I will reply to him appropriately. How about you stop squealing like a runty little stray that's been kicked on the sides and simply observe?

I have read the debate between the honorable members Critical Thought & Gambit with great interest. I am not a military professional, only a humble engineer who spends a lot of time reading about the impact of technology on the human environment. Permit me to put in my two cents worth.

Ever since the Roman times, it has been the lower officer class of the Centurions & Cohort commanders that have been the key to ensuring the discipline and honing the fighting skills of the ordinary soldier. I would, therefore, concur with the Gambit’s statement about the competency of the NCO corps.

Technology alone does not give you the edge and that degree of cohesion, motivation, and leadership determine a combat unit's ability to fight proficiently. Primarily because whatever be the level & sophistication of the technology; be it military or non-military; its effective use also depends upon the competency of the person employing it.

An F-22 or B-2 Stealth bomber, without the required level of maintenance and the pilot proficiency, would give not much of an advantage over a 4th generation fighter flown by an expert. Similarly, even the best general leading an army of highly trained professional soldiers but equipped with out of date equipment will find it difficult to overcome an adversary of average capability with access to the real-time battle information and technologically advanced weapons.

During the Gulf war, F-17’s and other Allied planes could destroy Saddam Hussein’s infrastructure with impunity because the ground surveillance radars had been blinded and the F-17 were invisible to the radars & the AA artillery. It was the synergy of technology with the highly trained manpower which gave the Allies the easy victory.

At the end of the day, it boils down to two things.

Firstly, how much money you have to spend on the training & buying military hardware and secondly the level of education the ordinary serviceman has which enables him to absorb technology & make the best use of the sophisticated weaponry. Since the USA has the funds to buy the best and spend it on training the recruits who have already been educated to a decent level and are physically strong, she has the best fighting force in the world.

In my view, the only way to reduce the impact of sophisticated weaponry inducted by an economically strong India is thru honing the fighting skills of human resource. Like many 3rd world countries, Pakistan suffers from a perpetual shortage of funds. Also due to the lower literacy and high poverty levels of the population, our recruits, especially at the private level, lack the skills required to absorb highly sophisticated technology; the training and quality of the NCO’s are therefore supremely important.

Training and quality of equipment are dimensions. Imagine them to be axes defining a plane. Now we can talk about two different extremes. Consider a hypothetical weapon that is so advanced, it basically requires you to click a button. You don't need much training for your personnel to use this weapon. How could such a weapon exist? Well, let's assume that your enemy is not technologically competent (we are talking extremes). With your technology, you can build systems to detect and track the enemy using sensors and AI. You can create weapons that will take a lethal payload to the enemy and destroy him. All of this is within the realm of possibility.

Let's consider the other end of the spectrum. Can you get such high quality people that they can take out the enemy by merely waving their hands with absolutely no technology, no weapons at all? Even if the enemy is totally inept and technologically unaware, he will still put up a fight against you.

There is only so much that quality people will do for you. You need superior weapons. Now, the point of this thread is to discuss how we can obtain superior weapons for PAF, without prejudice to the need for quality people. I would like to know you thoughts please.
 
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