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The most realistic air superiority option for PAF

Honorable Critical Thought,

Admittedly, a weapon system that requires zero maintenance and zero input from its user except the pushing of a button does not require trained manpower to operate. Your question envisages a hypothetical scenario where artificial intelligence has advanced to the level that has made human input virtually obsolete. In such a case one does not require any soldiers at all as the wars would be fought by robots only and side with the most sophisticated robots would win.

However, would you trust a man to push the right button unless he was highly trained? Here is an actual example of pushing the wrong button in error.


“A BUNGLING defence worker who sparked a nuclear missile alert after "pushing the wrong buttons" has lost his job after saying he feels "really bad" for the life or death panic he caused.

The full-scale alarm was broadcast when the fat-fingered Hawaii Emergency Management Agency (EMA) employee made the shocking mistake during a shift handover drill at 8.07am.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/53348...rean-attack-after-employees-fat-finger-error/

In the USA which has with a large number of MIRV ICBMs and now plans the satellite-based weapons, operators sitting deep inside their bunkers can wage war and kill individuals via drones by simply looking at the screens and pushing the buttons. But it is the highly educated and trained manpower that enables the country to design, produce and maintain these weapons and the associated C3 (Command, control & Communication) systems. Additionally, the missiles & bombs will simply destroy the enemy; one would still need boots on the ground to physically occupy the land.

No one in the right mind would deny that all other things being equal, the side possessing superior technology will be victorious. However, it is understood that without the availability of highly trained & educated manpower, it is not possible to design & make use of superior technology. The point I am trying to make is that it is neither trained power nor the technology on its own but a combination of the technology & manpower that results in victory.

Most countries would try to acquire/manufacture the best possible military hardware that is possible within the limits of their financial & human resources. In Pakistan case also, it is not the question of mind over matter or man behind the gun. Because most of the state of the art military hardware & technology is very expensive, we simply can’t afford it.

Short of bankrupting the country in the process of acquiring superior technology; the only option is to raise the quality of the military manpower to the level which enables them to make the best possible use of whatever technology we can afford to acquire, thereby narrowing the technological gap. This is achieved thru training & education.
 
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Honorable Critical Thought,

Admittedly, a weapon system that requires zero maintenance and zero input from its user accept the pushing of a button, does not require trained manpower to operate. Your question envisages a hypothetical scenario where artificial intelligence has advanced to the level that has made human input virtually obsolete. In such a case one does not require any soldiers at all as the wars would be fought by robots only and side with the most sophisticated robots would win.

However, would you trust a man to push the right button unless he was highly trained? Here is an actual example of pushing the wrong button in error.


“A BUNGLING defence worker who sparked a nuclear missile alert after "pushing the wrong buttons" has lost his job after saying he feels "really bad" for the life or death panic he caused.

The full-scale alarm was broadcast when the fat-fingered Hawaii Emergency Management Agency (EMA) employee made the shocking mistake during a shift handover drill at 8.07am.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/53348...rean-attack-after-employees-fat-finger-error/

In the USA which has with a large number of MIRV ICBMs and now plans the satellite-based weapons, operators sitting deep inside their bunkers can wage war and kill individuals via drones by simply looking at the screens and pushing the buttons. But it is the highly educated and trained manpower that enables the country to design, produce and maintain these weapons and the associated C3 (Command, control & Communication) systems. Additionally, the missiles & bombs will simply destroy the enemy; one would still need boots on the ground to physically occupy the land.

No one in the right mind would deny that all other things being equal, the side possessing superior technology will be victorious. However, it is understood that without the availability of highly trained & educated manpower, it is not possible to design & make use of superior technology. The point I am trying to make is that it is neither trained power nor the technology on its own but a combination of the technology & manpower that results in victory.

Most countries would try to acquire/manufacture the best possible military hardware that is possible within the limits of their financial & human resources. In Pakistan case also, it is not the question of mind over matter or man behind the gun. Because most of the state of the art military hardware & technology is very expensive, we simply can’t afford it.

Short of bankrupting the country in the process of acquiring superior technology; the only option is to raise the quality of the military manpower to the level which enables them to make the best possible use of whatever technology we can afford to acquire, thereby narrowing the technological gap. This is achieved thru training & education.

Dear Sir,

My presentation of the extremes was to engender a thought process, with the intended outcome to make the reader go through the mental exercise of making a rational trade-off between the two.

You have emphasized education and training at multiple points in your post. In order to better understand your point of view, let me delineate my personal definitions:

1. Education: A systematic process of engagement, learning and assessment during formative years of life that sets up a person for a lifetime of honesty, integrity, creativity, and productivity in the modern world.

2. Training: A systematic process of acquiring knowledge and skills in order to become a productive part of an existing system. One can be trained to think creatively in a specific problem domain and come up with unique solutions. One can be trained to blindly follow a process, or operate a mechanism. In any large organization, you need training at all these different levels.

Can you please confirm that my understanding is correct so far? I will share the rest of my thoughts once we set this baseline for the discussion.
 
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in my opinion J-31 is the best option for PAF...
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Mmm as following -

  • Stay at home
  • Pretend there is no war going on
  • Ring up IAF and have a friendly agreement to avoid each other

Wait a minute. This has already been done with success, right?
of courses

during Modi inauguration ceremony Sheri Nawaz Sherif talked about common culture, common language common food and lamented about this meaningless line between the two country and bitched at Pakistan military and Indians have been praising and quoting him ever since. he must have also requested Indian govt to tell its forces to go easy on his crown city
 
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In my opinion if we create an "airborne integrated air defence system" it will help in both defence and air superiority,
Like Example,
We are using Karakorum Eagle and SABB Erieye as long range detection radars and if we integrate
Mirages as launchers of many BVR Missiles in dual racks just like PL-15 and even more higher range missiles, and
JF-17's KLJ7-A as fire control radars, it will create a defence network that can locate a target beyond 200KM range and can target multiple enemies at least 150 KM, It will act like ground base air defence system but much more dynamic, mobile and aggressive.
What is your opinion guys?
 
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I dislike the choice of words I have to make, but only an absolute moron would take away the meaning you have written above. You really think I believe we can create a fabtech backbone at the turn of a wand? The thread is an invitation to my fellow countrymen to come forth and contemplate where we are and where we need to be. But along comes a known American agent, whose agenda is to keep Pakistanis mentally subjugated and makes every single effort to turn the debate to 'tactics', 'man behind the machine', and NCOs. @niaz is completely right about education, and I will reply to him appropriately. How about you stop squealing like a runty little stray that's been kicked on the sides and simply observe?

you learn to crawl before you walk
setting a semiconductor fab is no laughing matter
 
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2020_2026
1 sq of J20 with 2 sq of j16 .
5 sq of jf17 block 3 .
6 sq of jf17 block 1/2 ( MLU )
4 sq of f16 (MLU )
Multilayered medium+ long range SAM system.

More than enough to give desired air superiority to PAF over IAF until 2026/28 .
 
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We dearly need air superiority jet SU 35 is realistic and price tag is managable too
 
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