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The Monkey Trap

Has the USA avoided the Gorilla trap ?

karan.1970 said:
Pakistan currently provides the most tempting fruit available for the neighborhood’s newest and largest primate. Pakistan, a nuclear armed "moderate" Islamic state, controlled or influenced by the US a la Egypt or Turkey, and a potential check on Indian, Iranian, Russian and Chinese influence in Central Asia is a tempting ally. It remains to be seen whether or not the Americans have realized that way madness lies. Perhaps, the Americans will be successful. On the other hand, a failing Pakistan is a clear and present danger to the US as it's nuclear weapons may fall into the hands of non-state actors. The temptation to act pre-emptively would be overwhelming.

Then the Monkey Trap would morph into the Gorilla Trap.

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nice article even if it was written some 8 yrs ago a lot of what the author was trying to say has ended up being true.
 
Its quite amazing how the author was right on the money when he made those predictions.
 
well it certainly does not look like that there will be a gorilla trap situation here. US turned out to be smarter than that. I think that its just the monkey and the trap now as we move into the main act.
 
Brilliant piece ; While the Indian response as a "wait and watch" end-game is passive, a diplomatic stick to go with that is the right way to do it. And the more interesting part is the Pakistani elitist characteristics still pervading the nation as described in the first section
Introduction

For nearly five decades, the Pakistani Army backed by the wealthy anglicized elite, has fought a savage war against it's people [1]. Only by understanding the nature of this conflict, will it be possible to grasp the dynamics of the Indo-Pakistan conflict in general and the Kashmir dispute in particular.

The roots of this conflict are not, as is commonly assumed, due to the partition of the subcontinent. Instead, they are a consequence of the capture of Pakistan by a narrow segment of the population consisting of the land owning feudal class, in alliance with the bureaucracy, military and what passes for the techno-industrial elite of Pakistan.

Despite an unbroken history of almost continuous failure, the most spectacular of which was the 1971 [2] , [12] cataclysm when over 90,000 Pakistani Army personnel surrendered to the Indian Army, dismembered Pakistan and created Bangladesh, this elite has successfully managed to prevent all attempts at reform that may challenge their suzerainty over the Pakistani state. Buttressed by a desultory appeal to Islamic fundamentalism introduced by General Zia ul Haq to cement his dictatorship, the ruling Pakistani elite has long used India and the Kashmir issue to defeat all attempts to break their stranglehold on power.

This article explores the Kashmir dispute within the above-mentioned framework in three parts. The first section details the characteristics of the Pakistani state that is relevant to this article and the challenge it poses to India. The second section details the current end result of the Indian response to the challenge by the Pakistani anglicized elite in their increasingly desperate efforts to maintain their traditional dominance by externalizing the failures within Pakistan to India and specifically Kashmir. The last section discusses the implications of the post 9-11 scenario on the Kashmir dispute.

A remark on the references: It should be noted that the references in this article are primarily Pakistani. The references are sourced almost entirely from the writings of the Pakistani elite class from the English language press in Pakistan. This press represents the Pakistani elite, and not the middle or lower sections of Pakistani society,which can be gauged from the fact that; not only is English the language of politics, the military, the higher courts, etc., but as Jahangir Tareen, writing in The Nation points out:

This and other English newspapers are read by perhaps 25,000 people in Lahore, 15,000 in Islamabad and a max of 50,000 in Karachi. That is it. Yet, these few are also the high and mighty, the chosen few, the Elite of our country who make, break, crystallize and certainly influence public policy [23] .

The articles have been chosen essentially to allow this class to speak for itself; they represent therefore, the English speaking Pakistani elite "at home".

The Challenge: The Ruling Anglophone Pakistani Elite

Pakistani commentators and historians have often remarked that the elites that grabbed control in Pakistan after partition were precisely those who had been most comfortable with British colonial power. As the former military officer and historian A H Amin has written; Men who had collaborated with the British before 1947 became Pakistan's rulers within seven years of Independence [3]. In order to show their loyalty to the new dispensation, this class soon realized the value of becoming "more loyal than the king" and buttressed their power by carefully crafting and nurturing an official ideology [19] , [32] , [33] , [34] .

Referred to as the "Nazria-e-Pakistan", or the "Ideology of Pakistan", it essentially involves the elites that control the state imposing on the population a potent mix of a vitiated Islamic theology, coupled to a mythological idealization of Pakistan as the home of "martial races", and a vicious anti-Indian racism that is used as the primary reason for the paramountcy of the elite and the Army [35] , [36] , [37] . The racist component of this ideology, has been modernized enough to include a quite virulent strain of government sponsored anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism [38] , [39] .

The genesis of the elite lies in the astonishingly small administrative class that took over Pakistan after partition. As the former World Bank executive Shahid Javed Burki has pointed out, after partition, the Pakistan Administrative Service, now called the Civil Service of Pakistan, was formed by just 81 members of the old British Indian Civil Service [11]. This handful of bureaucrats, in conjunction with the Army generals, the famous "22-families" that owned the wealth of Pakistan and a few politicians co-opted into this elite, formed the core of the oligarchy that continues to rule Pakistan today [17].

While Islam has always been, and still is secondary to the purpose of the elites that control the state, it remains the primary ideological tool to keep the masses obedient to the Army and feudal elite. Central to this ideology is Kashmir. The never ending war with India, fought for the last decade by the Pakistani's through their Jehadi terrorist proxies, motivates the anti-Indian stream of Pakistan's ideology and provides the army with the raison d'etre for their regular coups which enable them to maintain their strangle hold on Pakistan.

The official ideology encouraged by this oligarchy can be amazingly crude in it's application. As P. Hoodbhoy, the prominent Pakistani scientist,who refers to the Pakistani education systems Extreme intellectual poverty [as] our Issue Number One [22] , has demonstrated:

The currently enforced official curriculum, duly authorized by the Curriculum Wing of the Ministry of Education, Government of Pakistan. According to this document, at the completion of Class-V, the child should be able to:

Acknowledge and identify forces that may be working against Pakistan. [pg 154]

Know India's evil designs against Pakistan. [pg154]

Make speeches on Jehad and Shahadat [pg154]

Be safe from rumor mongers who spread false news [pg158] [19] .

Also, as the noted educator, Professor Tariq Rahman has put it:

The project of the state is that of the consolidation of the power of the ruling elite ... There have been many attempts at pointing out that our textbooks spread hatred and create jingoism. ... our textbooks cannot mention Hindus without calling them 'cunning', 'scheming', 'deceptive' or something equally insulting. ... If Indian textbooks had called Muslims evil all the time, would we not be justifiably outraged?

All wars with India are written about in a one-sided manner. Facts are twisted and hidden. For instance, the fact that armed fighters were sent across the Line of Control in 1965 and in Kargil in 1999 are glossed over. The students do not learn that our previous policies have been wrong. What they do learn is that we require very aggressive policies otherwise we would be annihilated by India without reason [42] .

Such text books create a national psychosis that soon becomes obsessed with a virulent anti-Indianism, a paranoid anti-Semitism, and anti-Americanism, that makes them believe that India, Israel and the US are conspiring against them [18] . Essentially, the Pakistani elite took a page out of the Saudi handbook. They have successfully managed to divert the population's attention away from their mis-governance, corruption and incompetence as state managers, and externalized it to the "enemies" of Islam and Pakistan.

This is carefully reinforced through mass media such as television, as I A Rehman describes:

Pakistan's television reminds viewers of their enemy every day. ... The issue is placed in a wider historical context. India has resorted to carnage and pillage in Kashmir, it is argued, because it has not reconciled to the creation of Pakistan. Its Kashmir policy is therefore part of its plans to undo Pakistan.

Thus, Pakistan is confronting an entity whose hostility is not confined to the dispute over Kashmir, but one whose enmity to Pakistan is more deeply rooted. Since India's non-acceptance of the reality of Pakistan is on account of its repudiation of the theoretical foundations of Pakistan, it is an enemy in an ideological sense as well as in physical terms. Thus unless India agrees to give up Kashmir and offers proof that it has reconciled to Pakistan's existence as a free state, it will continue to be rated as a standing enemy.

...In its essays into history, India is identified as the party that was more hostile to the Pakistan demand than even the British. ... The Indians were said to have challenged the followers of Islam, hence they were primarily against our faith. ... It was not necessary to analyze the genesis of the conflict or the enemy's version of events or even the stakes in the conflict. This approach did not help in drawing a full image of the enemy. [40]

The husbandry of this anti-India identity occupies the central position in the conceptual space that defines Pakistan's identity. And at it's core lies the simplistic formulation;

Question: What is Pakistan? Answer: It is not India.

The centrality of this ideology stems from its crucial role in the elites hold on power. Consequently, attempts to improve Pakistan's economic potential draw a sharp response from this class. For example, in commenting on a proposal by Burki to link Pakistan closer to the Central Asian States [20] ; Shireen Mazari, the Director-General of the Pakistani government funded think tank, the Institute for Strategic Studies, Islamabad, says that it is an insidious design to edge Pakistan out of the South Asian framework ... [and] ... Once Pakistan, the only state that is able to challenge Indian hegemony in South Asia, is given a Central Asian identity, the way is cleared for India to move towards attaining its major regional and global player status. ... the intent behind this ... [and] ... the timing of this campaign ... is part of an overall campaign to redefine the geographic parameters of certain strategic players, ... [and] is strategically very convenient for countries like the US [21] .

Mazari's call for Pakistan to base it's policy on whatever will damage India rather than what will benefit Pakistan is understandable since anything that challenges the anti-India bogey undermines the elites ability to control the state. The quick drop into anti-American paranoia is merely par for the course.

So far is the Pakistani sense of identity bound with India, that a statement by a former Air Chief Marshall that ... As long as the people of Pakistan perceive the Indian threat to be real, the armed forces in Pakistan will continue to enjoy the position of authority and trust, and it will be unreasonable to expect any political leadership to assume that position. Paradoxically as it may sound, therefore, the key to real democracy in Pakistan lies with India [10] , is considered perfectly normal. Of course it's India's fault. Who else could it be?

While the Pakistani army / elite are the first to stand in line for the privileges that their position allows them in their praetorian state, they take no responsibility for the resultant mess that they inevitably create. It is always someone else's fault, or as Amin says: Our memories are short, we have been brought up doctored through propaganda, through censured press and are made to believe that our present rulers are honest while their predecessors were dishonest. [3].

The ruling Pakistani elite are not slow in blaming the "mullah's" or the "beards" for their problems. After the 9-11 terrorist strike, the loudest voices raised against the Jehadi's were precisely the Army and the elite. In point of fact, as Ayaz Amir, Pakistan's most prominent journalist has pointed out, the Pakistani elite has simply used these groups. He asks;

Who's held a gun to the nation's head? It cannot be the Beards who have never held power in the state. While they can be accused of many things--principally of being a nuisance and of filling the airwaves with rhetoric we could all have done without-- mismanaging the nation's affairs is not a sin that can be laid at their door.

For this feat of endurance--ineptitude and folly spread over 50 years--the English-speaking governing elite in power since 1947 has to carry all the blame. In Pakistan's power structure the Beards have been outsiders. All the institutions of state--political, military, bureaucratic, judicial--have been the exclusive preserve of a governing class whose greatest achievements have been self-perpetuation, corruption and an incompetence that often defies analysis. What have the Beards to do with this record?

... [It] should be a sobering thought that all the debacles which stand out in our history were the products of ... [the] English-speaking establishment. [31]


Najam Sethi, editor of the influential The Friday Times, echoes similar views; ... Irrespective of the rights or wrong of the issue, Pakistani army generals provoked military conflict with India in 1965, 1971 and 1999. In the process, Pakistan has had to sign unequal ceasefires (Tashkent), submit to humiliating surrenders (Bangla Desh) or accept forced withdrawals (Kargil). ... Let us admit it. After Afghanistan, our biggest foreign policy failure is in Kashmir. From 1947 to 1965, we beseeched the UN to grant us Kashmir in vain. We then tried to stir revolt in the valley and triggered a destabilizing war with India. After 1971, we buried the Kashmir issue at Simla and forgot about the UN resolutions abroad. We then woke up in the 1990s to foment trouble in Kashmir after New Delhi had made a mess of things in the 1980s. In the last ten years, we have exported Islamic revolution to Kashmir ... [and] ... we have pulled the rug from under the feet of elected political representatives who dared to think of smoking the peace pipe with New Delhi. [25]

Khaled Ahmed, well known journalist and political commentator, joined in by pointing out that after 9-11, the terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament and Musharraf's about face, that:

... The secret of the empowerment of the clergy ... is no longer a concealed fact. Religious extremism is engendered by jehad and is related to all religious parties and state institutions promoting Islam. The state itself was extremist in its views and was spurred on by the establishment, led by the ISI and other intelligence agencies representing the paranoia of the state ...

He warns that ... the state is no longer willing to change its stance on a number of issues that it has adopted as ideology. The outside world therefore has a duty to the people of Pakistan who agree with a change in the nature of the Pakistani state: a very considerable pressure must be kept up ... [because] ... Given Pakistan's incapacity for change, its bombs can become a threat to the world if its extremists are not prevented from taking over. [24]

Former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, speaking to Reuters from London where she has been in exile after being ousted from power in 1996, stated to the world what we already know: I think General (Pervez) Musharraf's regime has strong links with terrorist groups like al Qaeda ... In one year al Qaeda have regrouped in Pakistan with the backing of military hard-liners [6], she said. Although it is a curious statement since it was during Bhutto's term in power that the Taliban were formed, its implication that Pakistan's elite does not, or cannot, grasp the necessity of change is worth noting.

The state is unable to change, but the elite too, have difficulty grasping reality. Consider the words of the prominent political analyst Ejaz Haider, for example. He states that ... Pakistan is much smaller, has an economy teetering on the brink, is politically unstable, is a revisionist power armed with nuclear weapons, has abysmal educational standards, is lawless to the extreme, is swarming with anti-US jihadis and erstwhile leftwing intellectuals, has had linkages with elements that were, and are, prepared to harm US interests and make no bones about their intentions and, finally, its non-state actors pose a clear threat to US interests. But then goes on to add, ... An example of this is Pakistan's strategy of sub-conventional war against India. It was a good strategy until it started accumulating costs for a host of reasons ... [16]

Haider approvingly and casually characterizes terrorism as "sub-conventional warfare", except for the annoying fact that the costs have escalated. Also of interest is the quite remarkable grasp on reality that believes that a strategy that left Pakistan with a teetering economy, politically unstable and with abysmal education standard is considered to be "good"!

Amazingly, these views, which most would consider more than a little strange, are exceedingly common in the pages of the elite English press. Mazari, the "star" of Pakistan's strategic community, [29] , writing in the Spring issue of the ISSI journal states that "low intensity conflict" i.e. terrorism, will continue as Pakistan has no other method to continue it's Kashmir strategy. [41]

These are not isolated examples. The degeneration of Pakistan's oligarchy can be attested to by the astonishing revelation made in Dawn by A. Cowasjee, the "grand old man" of Pakistani journalism when he reveals that:

... Nawaz brought up the subject of how Aslam Beg early in 1991 had sought a meeting with him (then prime minister) to which he brought Major-General Asad Durrani, chief of the ISI. They told him that funds for vital on-going covert operations (not identified by Nawaz) were drying up, how they had a foolproof plan to generate money by dealing in drugs. They asked for his permission to associate themselves with the drug trade, assuring him of full secrecy and no chance of any trail leading back to them [14].

The reference here is to Nawaz Shariff, the former PM deposed by Musharaff in his coup. General Mirza Aslam Beg is well known from our television screens as Osama's and the Taliban's "defender", and General Durrani the former ISI Chief was appointed Pakistani Ambassador to Saudi Arabia by Musharraf after his coup.

The view of Masooda Bano, a regular commentator on Pakistan seems apt:

[The] Pakistani state has turned into a complete predatory state. It is a state that is feeding on its people rather than serving them. But, what the mangers of this country need to realize is that this cannot go on for too long. Eventually the system would collapse completely if things don't change. And that would hurt the rich more than the poor who already have nothing to lose. It is time that the country's leaders start to put country's interests above personal interest. Add a bit of commitment, and a vision to this and the country can embark on a much more promising path. Sadly, the current regime has none of the three [15].

Writing in The News, Bano expanded on the Pakistani state as a "Predatory State" adding that

... The ruling elite of this country needs to realize that there is no way that this exploitation of the common man can go on unchecked forever ... the ruling elite [needs] to stop thinking just about itself and to think of Pakistan and its people as one nation where all have to co-exist. The greed of those at the top will eventually lead this country to complete chaos. But clearly the current regime is not learning. It is fixated with concentration of power, manipulation and distortion of the constitution of the country, wastage of state resources over farcical referendums, and desperately trying to give the military rule a democratic cover. [5].

As Bano says;

it is critical for us as Pakistanis to remember the crimes that we committed against our fellow countrymen. And how the concentration of political power in hands of a few military officials and bureaucrats led to its complete abuse ... But, in Pakistan there is always an attempt to forget the past. Don't think about it, don't bother to learn lessons from it, and don’t punish those who were responsible for the crimes in the past. [4]

Pakistan’s elites have mis-managed their nation to the extent that prior to 9-11, it was virtually classified as a failed state. While soft-loans from the US and IMF may put off the day of reckoning, the state structure and economic situation has deteriorated to the extent that the alliance between the Army and other elites is breaking down. Hence the push for "graduate" conditions etc… these are necessary to narrow the pool of the rent-seeker class that the state needs to satisfy.

There simply is not much left in Pakistan to sustain the looting of the oligarchs. In such a situation, the Army, with it's guns wins. As remarks by Senator Shafqat Mahmood, a former member of the Defence and Foreign Affairs Committee of Pakistan's Senate and a columnist show the Pakistani elite are well aware of the reality:

...TV pictures show stern faced officials scrutinizing BA degrees, bank defaulter lists, criminal records and paid stamps on utility bills. While much of this is necessary, the routine is humiliating. These candidates are supposed to be future rulers of Pakistan but the process grounds their dignity into dust right at the outset. ... Parliament [is] an appendage, not a repository of real power. Real power was always with the state machinery. The military determined the defence policy and the foreign policy and it also dictated its share of the budget. ... The rest of the state was run by the bureaucracy. ... What is on sale here are crumbs of power but for those who have never had power, these crumbs are everything [13].

The elite is not only determined to stay in charge, but the very social structure of the military/elites reinforces their behavior. As Ayesha Siddiqa-Agha, the former Director of Naval Research for the Pakistan Navy points out:

It is very important to understand that over the past fifty years, the armed forces have emerged as a fraternity, or a club, that provides certain privileges to its members. ... Pakistan is an underdeveloped country where the lack of economic and political growth has led to elitist structures.

... Due to its prominent position in power politics, the military has emerged as the most powerful actor with its well-defined organizational interests. The sum total of these organizational interests also represents personal interests. In fact, these two categories denote interconnected layers. Hence, what is good for the organization is also good for an individual. Whatever prospects there are for personal growth are directly connected with the over-arching organizational interests.

Furthermore, in an underdeveloped socioeconomic environment, it is only convenient for members of a certain clan or fraternity or elite to further their interests through the group. In the case of Pakistan's armed forces, the group ethos is strengthened through remaining focused on what serves the interest of the organization and strengthens it in the overall political scheme. The benefits, of course, are obvious. ... There is no other group that is on par with the armed forces in terms of providing lucrative opportunities to its serving and retired members. A few years of military service, especially in the middle management and above, opens up a wealth of opportunities and resources.

... The attraction of benefits during and after the service tenure tends to make the officer cadre highly career-oriented. ... This lesson is not lost on military officers. In fact, it would be fair to say that after a certain management level, the primary ideology remains the interest of the organization. Moreover, after reaching that management level, when members are in the run for higher ranks and benefits, personal and organizational interests get so intermingled that it becomes hard to tell the difference. This also proves damaging because individuals are likely to begin supporting decisions that might be personally beneficial or even advance organizational interests but could well contrary to the strategic interest of the state. [9]


This system, as Pakistan's former Interior Secretary, I H Mohsin, remarks in an article in The News, is held together by a quite ordinary grasp of reality. Citing Benjamin Franklin, he says that the dominating ideal is that:

"We must indeed all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." This conventional wisdom must be remembered by the power-hungry elites, the barely-surviving civil society and the wretched multitudes of Pakistanis kept illiterate and ignorant by design [30] .

An understanding that extends well beyond what one would assume about the "ideologically pure" as Isabel Hilton makes clear:

Much was made of the risks that Musharraf ran in standing with the United States, but in his Cabinet, at least, there was no dissent. Lieutenant General Javed Ashraf Qazi, the Minister of Communications and Railways, told me that the decision was unanimous: "The Taliban hadn't listened to us. They hadn't returned the fugitive group of sectarian killers who had taken refuge in Afghanistan. "The Cabinet was of the view that we shouldn't stick our necks out for them. The might of the U.S. was a much greater risk. They were looking for a target. Why should it be us?" ... "The Army is clear about survival". [8]

Commenting on the Pakistani elites grip on power, Farrukh Saleem, a prominent contributor in Pakistan's English press, says that the Pakistan Army's survival methodology has two prongs to it:

Externally, it was "keep Kashmir burning"; internally, it was "breed a frail democracy". Kashmir kept the defense allocation intact while a feeble democracy at home kept political power firmly in the barracks. Political influence brought in state power, especially its coercive apparatus. Economic power in essence is political power. Kashmir, outside of Pakistan, in tandem with overwhelming political influence within Pakistan, meant all the authority rested with the uniformed politicians while civilian politicians were made to shoulder most of the responsibility. Heads I win, tails you lose [7] .
On top of it, the revisionist mentality of the military-industrial elite still remains the same. The brilliance of this action-response analysis is Pakistan is suffering exactly from the kind of symptoms that the authors above portray. The elite have been seeing the country go down the drain precisely so that they can wield their influence over the multitudes. And with the elite mindset still the same, i see no change in the Pakistani fortunes come IK or any one else in the next election. Why ? Because he too will be surrounded by precisely the same class of ruling class of elites who will guide him on domestic and foreign policy.
 
Awesome piece.. As if the author was staring into a Time machine 10 years into future.. Almost makes you think that movies like "Back to the Future" and "Deja Vu" can be something more than pure science fiction...
 
I am New to PDF ....but have read lot of posts some good some bad. But this is one is top in my good books.

I have many good friends from PAK ... I liked them too much.....but after joining PDF i was confused about Pakistani peoples view toward my country.
This post answers few questions I was asking myself.

Karan , Thanks For Sharing !

Lol, i am definitely bookmarking this page :tup:


Thanks for Good Suggestion.I am doing it too :-)
 
an informative article

this is one of the best threads of PK Defense :cool:
 
..... On the other hand, a failing Pakistan is a clear and present danger to the US as it's nuclear weapons may fall into the hands of non-state actors. The temptation to act pre-emptively would be overwhelming. Then the Monkey Trap would morph into the Gorilla Trap.

Either way, India stands to gain. As it would lock the US into doing precisely what India wants, to clean up the Pakistani mess at their own cost. All in all, India benefits whether America succeeds or fails. [/I]
Oh My God! I love that article....cuz from this story its getting clear that India is getting into great danger. If Pakistan fails then Nuklear weapons fall into non-state actors handz then it guarantees that there is no India either cuz the terrorists gonna do suicide and finish India too as a threat to their missions....:D...so inorder to India survive they need to make sure that Pakistan survives otherwise no future for India due to this monkey trap setup by the India on usas this trap would turn into a Gorilla trap for India or maybe more than that....:partay:
 
Oh My God! I love that article....cuz from this story its getting clear that India is getting into great danger. If Pakistan fails then Nuklear weapons fall into non-state actors handz then it guarantees that there is no India either cuz the terrorists gonna do suicide and finish India too as a threat to their missions....:D...so inorder to India survive they need to make sure that Pakistan survives otherwise no future for India due to this monkey trap setup by the India on usas this trap would turn into a Gorilla trap for India or maybe more than that....:partay:

You are actually wrong.. If the Nukes fall in the hands of Terrorists, the 1st target is going to be western interests in the CAR/Afg/Pak regions. And thats exactly what the gorilla trap is.. USA will never allow an unstable/broken up (heaven forbid) Pakistan to retain its Nukes.. Thats why you can clearly expect a 10,000-25,000 US forces' presence in Afghanistan for all times to come :)
 
Quite old thread but interesting article.

Its amazing how the whole policy and identity of a country of 200 million could be based on something negative!

Hello, it is not working.

But as the article says, the elites won't (or can't) do anything to change it even if it is not working...
 
Oh My God! I love that article....cuz from this story its getting clear that India is getting into great danger. If Pakistan fails then Nuklear weapons fall into non-state actors handz then it guarantees that there is no India either cuz the terrorists gonna do suicide and finish India too as a threat to their missions....:D...so inorder to India survive they need to make sure that Pakistan survives otherwise no future for India due to this monkey trap setup by the India on usas this trap would turn into a Gorilla trap for India or maybe more than that....:partay:

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