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The Militarization of India

We in India think our military spending is not excessive given our security environment and international norms.

If anyone can prove otherwise
, instead of ranting and bringing in unrelated topics like poverty etc (economic development not possible without security bozos!!!) then we can look at those options and urge our government to consider those in our next election as per our democratic political system.

Now you may not have the pre requisites for doing the above, i.e. how to make an argument without ranting, imagine democratic process, compare GDP % numbers and understand implications, analyse security environment without thinking of the words zionism, prophecy, world domination etc.

In that case, just shut up.
 
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some people are jealous of defence spending... be prepared for more in future(not spending but jealousy)
 
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The regime in India is surprisingly similar to the regime in North Korea. Both are heavily militarized, fascist governments that spend billions on weapon systems even as their citizens starve. It is time for Indians to overthrow their plutocratic caste regime and establish a true democracy under socialism and equality.


Fascits are dictators who are completely opposed to democracy.liberty.India has a democratic government which is re-elected after every 5 years.We are the world's largest democracy.
 
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If democracy is all that great..

1. why do you keep sending your desperate country men all over the world to invade jobs and work for 1/3 wages at slave like conditions? Thats a clear sign that India cannot provide for its citizen..that a shame after all these 64 years of independence. Looks like colonialism was good for India. Even Afghanis demand better wage than Indians.

2. India remains the most backward country with world largest slums, poors and aids infested communities.

3. Indians wherever they go blend in real fast and try their best to settle in. No wishes to return to their glorious india ever. This also makes them the largest group of visa fraud in several countries. Looks like democratic India isn't ideal for its own citizens.

If you sir, wanna discuss pros and cons of democracy, open a new thread please, I'm sure many will be interested in the debate.

But on this thread, you are off-topic!!!
 
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Both US and India are democracies. But too many poor people in India would rather have food than have democracy. People really do not have time to worry about government or democracy if their stomach is not full first.

So, what's your point sir??

In order to fill people's stomach, India should shun democracy and embrace communism (which Taiwan refuses to embrace)??

Please don't talk off-topic dig and talk on the topic in hand sir.
 
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I'm impress by your demonstration of confidence in your country. Many Indian do so here. But many also do not understand where India stands vs the world. Its true that India had made much progress. However, the majority of Indians are too destitute to care about politics. Provide food, clothing, proper shelter and education to the poor first. Otherwise, they are not part of democratic process that is reserved to the select few Indians. Any Indians in here would be the top 10% income earner in India as the great majority do not have computers.

You cant be more wrong about politics in India. The poor are a major political force, and they are more politically active than us. As anybody in this forum whether they voted in any election, keeping in mind we have 60-80 percent voting. The poorer the state, higher the percentage in voting.
The poor believe that govt can bring change and help them. Middle class and rich help themselves.(or force govt by non democratic means)

About defense spending, it is still within range of what others spend. If we dont spend this, we risk having war at regular interval, which is costly.
 
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Arms race between India and Pakistan takes to air

ISLAMABAD: India’s plans to modernise its ageing air force have triggered a tit-for-tat Pakistani programme that could exacerbate strategic tensions in South Asia, officials and analysts told "The National".

Defence analysts said the planned air force expansions were part of an arms race between India and Pakistan that dates back to the 1960s and the height of the Cold War.

The South Asian neighbours, both of which possess nuclear arsenals, have fought three wars and as many regionalised conflicts since gaining independence from British colonial rule in August 1947.

Siemon Wezeman, senior fellow at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s arms transfer programme, said: "Although India and Pakistan deny it, an arms race is on. India wants to become a regional power, and is building its arsenal accordingly, while Pakistan wants to maintain a rough parity for survival" in the event of another conflict.d

His comments came after an announcement by the Pakistani minister for defence, Ahmed Mukhtar, that Pakistan is to acquire 50 advanced JF-17 Thunder warplanes, to be co-produced with China at a factory about 50km west of Islamabad.

The new warplanes would carry an Italian "avionics package" that is far superior to the Chinese technology installed on the 30 aircraft currently being acquired by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), military officials close to the project said.

Two squadrons have been inducted since the first Thunder was manufactured in November 2010, with Pakistan likely to acquire 250 to 300 of the warplanes by 2015, defence analysts said.

Mr Mukhtar said China had also agreed in principle to supply Pakistan with FC-20 warplanes, a comparatively advanced aircraft that is taking over as the vanguard of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force.

Pakistan is initially seeking 36 FC-20s, but any deal would be subject to Beijing being satisfied that the transfer of advanced military technology would not affect its trade relationships with the west, said the military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Defence analysts and former diplomats said the expansion of Pakistani air power is a direct response to India’s plans to acquire 126 state-of-the-art western warplanes, defence analysts said.

Indian officials have said they would place an order this summer, either for the Eurofighter Typhoon or Dassault Rafale warplanes.

New Delhi in April rejected competing bids from US manufacturers, Boeing and Lockheed Martin, causing embarrassment to the administration of the US president Barack Obama, which had lobbied hard for the deal.

India is looking to replace its ageing fleet of Soviet-vintage and French warplanes with Western warplanes and the Sukhoi-30MK1 aircraft, 272 of which are being manufactured in India under a joint venture with Russia. One hundred forty-two of the SU-30 aircraft had been delivered by January.

Similarly, Pakistan is phasing out a fleet of Chinese-built aircraft, based on modified Soviet designs, and French warplanes dating back to the 1980s.

Pakistan also possesses US-made F-16s, including 18 advanced Block 52 models, delivery of which was completed in February, along with upgrade kits for 26 F-16s acquired in the 1980s.

Indian analysts have said the Pakistani F-16 sales were a significant factor in India’s rejection of US bids to supply the 126 new warplanes.

The US seeks to strike a balance in its relations with India and Pakistan, but often ends up annoying both, the analysts said.

US military sales to Pakistan are frequently criticised by India’s government, while Pakistan regularly complains about the US agreement in 2008 to supply nuclear-power technology to India.

China has also opposed the nuclear deal, because of its strategic competition with India for influence in Asia, the analysts said.

Competing international strategic partners continue to back either South Asian side,- a scenario reminiscent of the Cold War, the analysts said.

They also said India has the support of Russia and the west, while China backs Pakistan.

Akram Zaki, formerly Pakistan’s chief diplomat, said: "After the US nuclear deal with India, China came to the conclusion that the stability of Pakistan is in its national interest.

"In ideological terms, China wants peace and stability in South Asia, but that is only possible if the imbalance created by the US’s extraordinary support to India is to some extent corrected".

Mr Zaki said that China’s strategic philosophy was to make Pakistan "as far as is possible" self-sufficient in the production of defence equipment.

The analysts said competing strategic objectives in Asia of the west and China would continue to fuel arms purchases by India and Pakistan.

Chinese defence co-operation with Pakistan would reflect US policy on China, they said.

"It has a lot to do with how the Democrats and Republicans have seen China and its rise, and what policy is going to come from Washington: containment or constrainment," said Maria Sultan, director of the South Asian Strategic Stability Institute, a London-based think tank.

India’s expansion of its defence capability is also increasingly aimed at the Sino-Pakistan alliance, the analysts said.

"China and Pakistan are a potential threat to India. That’s why it is willing to do anything to enhance its [military] capabilities," Mr Wezeman said
 
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