The Looming ISIS Threat and Pakistan's state of denial

[YeBeWarned]

many in pakistan's hippocrat society are not concerned as they are not directly targeted because of their beliefs /sect .. they try and give different colors to any event call it a raws conspiracy and all sorts of stupid fcking garbage they can pull out from their chuddies only when the snakes & rats bite them in their arse than they realize .. wtf .. so carry on believing your old bottle & new chaddi theory ..

you are not just ignorant but you have no sense of Discussion as well .. Welcome to my Ignore list

 

[xyxmt]

This is what you are talking about right ?? Yes I did saw that. Mr. Peter Manbridge tried to put word's in Mr. Blair's mouth. What did he asked ?? He was mentioning about the alleged claim made by Mr. Trump during his election campaign. Now can you enlighten me where in this above mentioned interview does Mr. Blair accept that they created ISIS ??

Sorry sir, I'm never anti-muslim and I'm really proud to be friends with some really good Muslims.

I'm also proud to represent a country who had never thought twice or even debated while making a Mulsim as our president in the past, nor did we hesitated to appoint great Muslims in key posts such as our IB chief (former) or permanent UN representative (Incumbent) that too in a country predominantly Hindu. I guess it will be hard to digest for you.

enjoy your ignorance

 

[Tom M]

enjoy your ignorance

Well I would wish the same to you.

 

[GiannKall]

I heard that ISIS has bases in the moon. Saw it on internet

 

[F86 Saber]

What Mr. "Author and Journalist" must also mention is that, like he said himself, the splinter groups of TTP and LEJ have pledged alliance with IS which means only the name has changed, the faces behind the name are the same. These are the same faces against which our forces have been fighting for the last 3 years. This means IS is not a new threat, it is the prevailing threat under a new name which although is a cause of alarm but nothing unusual as far as our security forces are concerned. Neither will the new affiliates be able to "Import" men and weapons under the new association nor will they have any other benefit, on the contrary, they will have to export their own assets to Iraq and Syria which ultimately will make them weaker.

How is that a bad thing?

 

[Inception-06]

every country has threat from ISIS including the ones who created it
The other day on CBS interview Tony Blair shamelessly admitted they created ISIS to create problem for Saddam Hussain and further Shamelessly said but ISIS was leter defeated in Iraq and That we have to fight this mindset of fundamentalism in Muslim countries...shame has no Low

A link of this interview please !

 

[Vapnope]

State of Denial?
I have always been saying this "what is ISIS going to bring which was not present already?".
TTP umbrella had everything what ISIS is trying to bring. The ISIS here will only be with a sectarian agenda which LeJ and SSP already had. So yeah ISIS, TTP, IMU, TNSM, Al-Qaida or whatever name people want to give, will be handled likewise.

 

[Well.wisher]

Actually I do believe that ISIS has alliance in pakistan.

Give me their official website plz .

 

[R Wing]

Nobody is in a state of denial. The people who matter (provincial CTDs, ISI's CTW, etc.) are well-aware of the threat and are combating it.

Like many members have already pointed out, most of these militants are just "re-branding." And even if we assume that ISIS has a cadre of totally new militants, their modus operandi and ideology won't be much different from what we've dealt with already.

People think that capacity is simply a matter of numbers --- budgets, size of forces, etc. But what they forget is experience. Pakistan has dealt with the worst. A re-brand doesn't affect us.

Peace to all!

 

[xyxmt]

A link of this interview please !

Look at post #15 on this same thread

 

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

Use of local militant groups, recruiting Taliban fighters: How Islamic State is flourishing in Pakistan
TNN & Agencies | Nov 19, 2016, 02.05 PM IST
HIGHLIGHTS

• The Islamic State is increasing its presence in Pakistan.
• ISIS is recruiting Uzbek militants and Taliban fighters.
• In Afghanistan and Pakistan, ISIS is calling itself the Islamic State in Khorasan.

ISLAMABAD: The Islamic State group is increasing its presence in Pakistan by using local terrorist groups and recruiting Uzbek militants, attracting disgruntled Talibanfighters and partnering with one of Pakistan's most violent sectarian groups, according to police officers, Taliban officials and analysts.

Its latest atrocity was an attack on last Saturday on a Sufi shrine in southwestern Pakistan that killed at least 50 people and wounded 100 others. The group said in a statement that a suicide bomber attacked the shrine with the intent of killing Shia Muslims and issued a picture of the attacker.

When IS circulated a photograph of one of the attackers in last month's deadly assault on a police academy in southwestern Baluchistan province, two Taliban officials told The Associated Press that the attacker was an Uzbek, most likely a member of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. More than 60 people, most of them police recruits, were killed in that October 26 attack when three assailants battled security forces for hours before being killed or detonating their suicide vests.

The Taliban officials, both of whom are familiar with the IMU, spoke on condition of anonymity because their leadership has banned them from talking to the media.

Authorities initially said the police academy attack was orchestrated by militants hiding out in Afghanistan and blamed Pakistan's virulently anti-Shiite group, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. But IS later claimed responsibility and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi spokesman Ali Bin Sufyan said they partnered with IS to carry out the assault.

The use of local proxies among established militants has been a singular aspect of Islamic State's entry into Pakistan.

In neighbouring Afghanistan, by contrast, members of the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban have switched allegiances and rebranded themselves as IS fighters.

In Pakistan, however, Islamic State, also known as ISIS, appears happy to let their local allies operate under their own identities in exchange for allowing IS to claim responsibility for high-profile attacks.

"IS may not have a formal structure in Pakistan, but certainly they have support among some of the banned militant groups, particularly Sunni sectarian groups" like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi Al Alami (LeJ-AA), said Zahid Hussain, a Pakistani security analyst.

"It's a kind of nexus that we are seeing between global jihadi groups and local sectarian groups."

Islamic State in Khorasan

In Afghanistan and Pakistan, the extremist group has adopted the name the Islamic State in Khorasan - a reference to an ancient geographical region that encompassed a vast swath of territory stretching from Turkmenistan through Iran and Afghanistan.

IS in Khorasan has set up its base in Afghanistan's eastern Nangarhar province, and while it has pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group in Syria and Iraq, it remains unclear whether there are direct operational or financial links between the two.

According to police, Afghan officials and IS media outlets, the majority of Islamic State fighters in Afghanistan are Pakistani nationals, mostly from the tribal regions. Disgruntled Taliban fighters from Pakistan and Afghanistan have joined along with foreign fighters, mainly from central Asia. The group's leader until his death in July in a drone strike was Hafiz Saeed Khan, a former Pakistani Taliban commander. IS has never acknowledged Khan's death, which was confirmed by both the Afghan and US militaries.

Counterterrorism officials in Pakistan say that IS has begun reaching out to local militants through its rich social media presence.

"They are inspiring the like-minded youth in Pakistan through their strong social media propaganda," said Junaid Sheikh, a senior counterterrorism commander in the southern city of Karachi.

"There is evidence that militants of other organizations like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, al-Qaida in the Subcontinent and other Sunni extremist organizations switched their ideology toward Daesh and acted like their activists," he said, using an Arabic acronym for IS. The recruitment of Uzbek militants is particularly worrisome and a "significant threat to our national security," he added.

He said Uzbek fighters have carried out numerous major attacks in Pakistan, including a 2011 attack on a naval base and a 2014 attack on the Karachi Airport. Local militant groups provided the intelligence to carry out the attacks, he said.

A resident of Afghanistan's Nangarhar province who did not want to be identified for fear of retribution said he spoke with two Iranian Islamic State members late last year. Unlike the Pakistani and Afghan insurgents, the resident, who fled to Pakistan after his home was overrun by IS fighters, said the foreign fighters were friendly and engaged with local residents. One Iranian fighter said he was recruited for his computer skills, the resident said.

Previously, Uzbek insurgents normally allied with the Pakistani and Afghan branches of the Taliban, having sworn allegiance to Taliban founder Mullah Mohammed Omar. However, many Uzbek fighters split from the Taliban and declared allegiance to IS last year after it was revealed that Taliban officials had hidden the fact that Mullah Omar had died two years earlier.

A senior police official in Pakistan's eastern Punjab province, where several militant groups are headquartered, said the IS group is firmly entrenched in Pakistan and its roots are growing stronger as it aligns with Pakistan's Sunni Muslim extremist groups like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. The police official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. The official also said that Lashkar-e-Jhangvi had largely relocated from Punjab to Baluchistan province in the face of a major military campaign.

"Pakistani Taliban factions that have sparred with the parent Pakistani Taliban have tended to express public support for ISIS," said Michael Kugelman, senior associate for South Asia at the US-based Wilson Center. "I could certainly envision collusions materializing between disaffected Pakistani Taliban fighters now aligned with ISIS, and Uzbek militants with preexisting ties to the Pakistani Taliban. Either way, at the end of the day, all of these terrorists are cut from the same cloth ideologically and so we should never rule out operational partnerships."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...urishing-in-Pakistan/articleshow/55510356.cms

 

[WebMaster]

It doesn't matter in which name they come through. Pakistan is to be cleansed by terrorists used as a tool by Pakistan's enemies.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

if they are recruiting them than it don't increase the threat. filling water in 1 glass from other don't increase or decrease the water but if water is not completely taken will divide it. which is good in this case.

 

[sparten]

ISIS flourishes where there are no government structures and forces. Good luck to them I say. They will become kill marks on PA and PAF assets.