The Last Stand - Air War 1971

[Umair Nawaz]

Maulana Azad also said among among other things that creation of pakistan would be a grave mistake, do you concur with that too, or just cherry pick certain aspects of his viewpoints?

lol kid im not the one who posts to win arguments. He may not have a credibility in our eyes but to yr kind he holds importance and also the fact that our conclusions were also close to his predictions hence he was quoted by me. So yr claim of them being treated badly doesnt really matter since regardless they were bound to be separated because of them being almost 3000 km away from main land.

 

[Psychic]

The maoists are fighting against india only for economic deprivation... there are several other organizations in NE india who are fighting to break away from India- most have economic deeprivation has there agenda. And now the answer for your bolded parts
Disparities[edit]
Although East Pakistan had a larger population, West Pakistan dominated the divided country politically and received more money from the common budget.

Year Spending on West Pakistan (in millions of Pakistani rupees) Spending on East Pakistan (in millions of Pakistani rupees) Amount spent on East as percentage of West
1950–55 11,290 5,240 46.4
1955–60 16,550 5,240 31.7
1960–65 33,550 14,040 41.8
1965–70 51,950 21,410 41.2
Total 113,340 45,930 40.5
Source: Reports of the Advisory Panels for the Fourth Five Year Plan 1970–75, Vol. I,
published by the planning commission of Pakistan.

Bangladesh Liberation War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the average Bengali "Muslim" (not sure about hindus) were never against Pakistan or its ideology. Its only when you started attacking them, killing and raping them that they turned into "traitors"

They started uprising raping looting plunder on 23 March 1971.
Military op started on 25 March 1971.

We also made some mistakes but mascaraing our people by Muktis was no answer to that.

Many places many countries have such disparities in allocation of resources.... Even our southern Punjab gets less money compared to northern Punjab so does that mean that they should also start an uprising and start killing and looting north Punjabis???

Muktis were your good terrorists that is why you people justify their atrocities.

 

[MilSpec]

lol kid im not the one who posts to win arguments. He may not have a credibility in our eyes but to yr kind he holds importance and also the fact that our conclusions were also close to his predictions hence he was quoted by me. So yr claim of them being treated badly doesnt really matter since regardless the were bound to be separated because of them being almost 3000 km away from main land.

So you are saying M. A Jinnah Made a mistake by including West Pakistan as a part of your country?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

So you are saying M. A Jinnah Made a mistake by including West Pakistan as a part of your country?

Quaid e Azam and top tier of Muslim League should have never accepted Bangal and Assam into Pakistan.

 

[MilSpec]

Economic deprivation does not justify rebellion....
Most of the stories were propaganda anyways. That was highlighting the negatives while ignoring the positives e.g Bengalis were critical of Islamabad project stating that their jute income is being used to construct Islamabad while they forgot about Ayub Nagar ( A modern Dhaka project which Ayub started).

East Pakistan was backwards area even before independence so it needed time to get developed but the people were led to believe that WP is responsible.

Right On

Quaid e Azam and top tier of Muslim League should have never accepted Bangal and Assam into Pakistan.

Why not?
Did they not share the same sentiment TnT, and alleged deprivation of political rights of the Muslim minority, which on a side note they got to exercise but once and within months got them freedom....

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Why not?
Did they not share the same sentiment TnT, and alleged deprivation of political rights of the Muslim minority, which on a side note they got to exercise but once and within months got them freedom....

same goes for Kashmir too isnt it? kid dont try to give lame arguments. They could have been given a status of a separate country or like Deccan etc

But the main thing is that we shouldnt have accepted a geographical location so far away as the time has proved.

 

[Psychic]

Right On

Even Brits did not recruit them as soldiers.
The trend increased after independence.
You need to be on merit to join army. Both physically and mentally.
We even relaxed minimum height requirement for police and army to encourage them. Yahya made a decision to raise 7 or so additional Bengali units to satisfy people who thought like they were kept out of the forces. These things needed time but none was given......
BTW Bengali cadets at PMA were notorious for their deficiency in physical fitness and poor English.

 

[syedali73]

Quaid e Azam and top tier of Muslim League should have never accepted Bangal and Assam into Pakistan.

I do not say that Bengal should not be accepted as part of Pakistan but given Bengali's immense nationalism, they should have been given full provential autonomy right from the beginning. What Bengal failed to understand was, it was one of the 5 provinces of Pakistan and not THE Pakistan. Their demand for making Bengali as the national language of Pakistan sowed the seed of confrontation from very beginning.

 

[Cherokee]

Even Brits did not recruit them as soldiers.
The trend increased after independence.
You need to be on merit to join army. Both physically and mentally.
We even relaxed minimum height requirement for police and army to encourage them. Yahya made a decision to raise 7 or so additional Bengal regiments to satisfy people who thought like they were kept out of the forces. These things needed time but none was given......
BTW Bengali cadets at PMA were notorious for their deficiency in physical fitness and poor English.

This kids is a perfect showcase of attitude which led to Bangladesh .

West pakistan had contributed 55 k troops to East Pakistan's 31k still only 15 percent of them got any leadership position . How will physically unfit and poor english speaking bangali be a officer . haha

 

[MilSpec]

Even Brits did not recruit them as soldiers.
The trend increased after independence.
You need to be on merit to join army. Both physically and mentally.
We even relaxed minimum height requirement for police and army to encourage them. Yahya made a decision to raise 7 or so additional Bengal regiments to satisfy people who thought like they were kept out of the forces. These things needed time but none was given......
BTW Bengali cadets at PMA were notorious for their deficiency in physical fitness and poor English.

Sounds Legit ... lets see what our professional has to say on this @asad71

 

[Shamain]

Also read up on battle of hilli, in which pak army had faced both indian forces as well as mukhti bhani. Muhammad akram shaheed had lead 4 ff regiment in this hilli district. his exemplary service earned him a nishan e haider for that. It was one of the deadliest encounters of 71 battle where the regiment was facing attacks from almost all directions yet they had managed to give enemies hardest time and the valour with which they had forcefully stood against enemy and traitor forces in itself is quite unparralled.
Anyways, psychic has a valid point,economic inequalities were there but indian propaganda exaggerated things using help of traitorpower thirsty bangla politicians who had already decided upon secession. Mujeeb himself had admitted later his 6 points were designed as a gateway to independence. If he was so bloody sincere with his ppl then why had he unleashed some bloodiest atrocities at his own ppl of affiliation(post independence),kept his own militant wings,banned all other parties, his gunday militants rakhi bhani and another one whose name i forgot would mercilessly abduct and torture and kill whosoever spoke against mujeeb. The famous man made famine of 74 73 that had led to death of hundred thousands of bengalis , again thanks to mujeeb who had directed waters to india. He wasnt shot just like that.
Bangladesh aj kahan hai. These propagandist indians here always love throwing around typical rhetoric like a parrot ,bangladesh is way more progressed than pakistan, has better gdp better educated ppl. Just shut the crap up and watch your own flippin' home coming down in crumbles. With tens of insurgencies going on inside your own land stop nosing around in others business. Bangladesh still has a lot of catching up to do. Their independnce brought them a status of indian colony,today india has shamelessly built dam on their waters, bengalis are helpless before indian stooge haseena, that keeps getting installed as a pm to serve indian agendas. I wish bangladesh grows out of this phase and prospers.
Secondly,i have to add that bangladesh isnt a very natural resources rich land. Europeans are taking a lot of advantage of their cheap labor force. What ever is happening still doesnt feel too good . Their factory workers mainly women are highly underpaid.
Anyways, but i just have to say syedali bahi idont agree with you on niazi must not have surrendered part.
There were 90000 ppl that were captured. All supply lines were cut, no food,no ammunition..how far they could have fought holding.bayonets . The period they spent as POWS was devastating and then took two years for some to return back home after simla agreement.
Noone ever ever mentioned even today that when mukhti bhanis had started civil disobedience what they had done to west pakistanis residing in east pakistan. Who had initially attacked west wing ppl?? How their women were killed how their kids were killed. How west pakistani women in general and girls at dhaka hostel were treated, army officers' entire families were butchered. Sahabas ,prophets companions were badly disrespected and called bad names. They didnt use to kill, they used to maim then kill. Despite huge number of crimes and west pakistanis genocide, no riots had broken out in west pakistan against 3 million bengalis living there to avenge on them ,during the whole war period.
Magar aaj sab se ziada indians aur bangladeshi fake 3million and 200000 figuee pay rotay hain.

 

[MilSpec]

same goes for Kashmir too isnt it? kid dont try to give lame arguments. They could have been given a status of a separate country or like Deccan etc

But the main thing is that we shouldnt have accepted a geographical location so far away as the time has proved.

Hmm. just fyi calling me a kid doesn't make your ridiculousness more assertive... Unfortunately the due to weak understanding of history you might not comprehend the difference between agreed Pakistan territories and princely states, but then again I don't blame you, poor comprehension is given when it comes to such threads and members encountered...

It's good to see members here openly being critical of M.A Jinah and his vision for pakistan...

I do not say that Bengal should not be accepted as part of Pakistan but given Bengali's immense nationalism, they should have been given full provential autonomy right from the beginning. What Bengal failed to understand was, it was one of the 5 provinces of Pakistan and not THE Pakistan. Their demand for making Bengali as the national language of Pakistan sowed the seed of confrontation from very beginning.

Why cant there be multiple national languages? especially if more than half of the nation speaks it, and has older heritage than the religion itself that the country was built upon.

 

[syedali73]

But the main thing is that we shouldnt have accepted a geographical location so far away as the time has proved.

Umair, please be careful with the selection of words and phrases. Such sentences are prone to twisting. Quid e Azam was never wrong and while he was aware of dirty games Souharwardi was playing in Bengal, he hoped that it would be possible to bring Bengalis in the mainstream and sure only if he had lived for a few more years. Unfortunately, Liaquat Ali Khan also died prematurely and with these two leaders gone, the rift between the two flanks only widened up to a point where their respective leaders saw no good reason to stay united.

 

[pak avatar]

Unfortunately the due to weak understanding history you might not comprehend the difference between agreed Pakistan territories and princely states

Hmm even indians dont it seems, otherwise the state of of Hyderabad and jundagh would have been part of Pakistan

 

[Sine Nomine]

Umair, please be careful with the selection of words and phrases. Such sentences are prone to twisting. Quid e Azam was never wrong and while he was aware of dirty games Souharwardi was playing in Bengal, he hoped that it would be possible to bring Bengalis in the mainstream and sure only if he had lived for a few more years. Unfortunately, Liaquat Ali Khan also died prematurely and with these two leaders gone, the rift between the two flanks only widened up to a point where their respective leaders saw no good reason to stay united.

I still wish to see Union of Islamic Republic of Pakistan one day in my life but surely bengalis have got taste of Indian friendship daily BSF kills them and not even one bullet is fired from Bengali Border Guards but at the end my grandfather's friend told me that Muktis along with indian forces were killing and raping bengali masses so coldly that more then 50% bengalis who wanted united Pakistan even not dared to stand actually porous border was main advantage of India along with hindu population.