THE JF-17 II: INTRODUCING BVR & PRECISION STRIKE

[Areesh]

Thanks Bratva. I wrote the article, I am Bilal Khan

As for the Indra, I was honestly going to include it, but I wanted to get the actual MODP document first (in my hands or hard-drive), it's just the way I operate.

Nice work Bilal. I have read other articles too on this website and they are rally good. Keep up the good work. I might be a regular reader of your work.

 

[Bratva]

That is coming in an upcoming article, it'll be about the PAF being able to integrate systems of its choice on JF-17.

If you have read recent JF-17 Paris airshow Brochure. There was something interesting written about MAR-1 integration with JF-17. Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood said MAR-1 will be integrated with Block-III and it made sense. While those who don't know the history will frown why is that when we saw MAR-1 static display in 2012 IDEAS

While as per JANES article. Those were training rounds and quoting Mecatron sources. Live rounds delievery would began to PAF in July 2014 and PAF first priority is mating MAR-1 with Mirages and doesn't have immediate need to mate it with JF-17. Let me dig that janes article for your future references.

Thanks for the feedback guys, I am going to run an addendum to this article.

1. JF-17 is using Indra's RWR.

2. The actual range of the KLJ-7V1 was 75km for 3m2 and 105km for 5m2. However, the existence of KLJ-7V2 has been confirmed and its ranges run at 130km for 5m2 and +100km for 3m2. Is this correct?

@Bratva @aliyusuf @Side-Winder @abdulbarijan @Bilal. Can each of you PM me your respective Twitter/FB handles (or else I am going to use your Defence.pk profiles - one way or another I WILL credit you for your work, no escaping it )

Really no need for credit. We are providing open source material for your article and your article is nice compilation of scattered information found here and there and present all these info in a single coherent article. Might I suggest if you add screen shots of JF-17 flying with SD-10 rounds ?

And if you can give a passing reference of how JF-17 has been testing in High altitude atmosphere with screen shots of JF-17 flying in Himalayan ranges ?

Does anyone have the pdf for the MODP book 2014-2015, the gov't website only seems to have books for up to 2013-2014.

I think it is mentioned in 2013-2014 modp book. Just Cntl +F and search Indra in PDF document

 

[abdulbarijan]

Thanks for the feedback guys, I am going to run an addendum to this article.


2. The actual range of the KLJ-7V1 was 75km for 3m2 and 105km for 5m2. However, the existence of KLJ-7V2 has been confirmed and its ranges run at 130km for 5m2 and +100km for 3m2. Is this correct?

Thats a negative sir ...

The 105Km for 5m2 RCS claim is more reliable as it comes directly from the manufacturer, plus there have been instances in which specs were understated (if one has been observant around the figures being released in airshows/interviews ... eg. T/W ratio .. )

So coming to KLJ-7 V(I) -- Assuming that the manufacturer claim is the most reliable ...

KLJ-7 V(1) :-

-Range for 3m2 is 92-93 Km's
-Range for 5m2 is 105 Km's

Assuming that the Kanwa interview, and the presentation in Dubai (2013) were both about KLJ-7 V(2) then ..

KLJ-7 V(2)

-Range for 3m2 is 114-115 Km's
-Range for 5m2 is 130 KM's

Carrying on to this post. There is another figure JF-17 project team disclosed and Most probably it is for 3m^2 detection range

Mian Saifur Rehman
Tuesday, December 03, 2013



When The News posed a question what hope the people of Pakistan should pin on its pride co-production, JF-17 Thunder, the sources replied: “It is now one of the best and most reliable combat planes of the world as, apart from the G-8 versus G-9 factor, its radar range is 60 aeronautical miles (111.2 KM) which comes on a par with advanced international standards. Moreover, JF-17 is equipped with a far more advanced BVR system i.e. Beyond Visual Range system that gives it an edge over the enemy aircraft which it can hit from a considerable distance and move far away with full speed in a flash after firing the missile.

JF-17 production with China’s support - thenews.com.pk

or if I have to take a guess, this is the true range of KLJ V2 under normal circumstances. Only if it is operating under maximum capacity, it would be able to achieve 130-140 KM figure

It does seem to be the case, the problem is we dont know the standard RCS being used for which the figure is being quoted, however as you pointed out ... most likely its 3m2, where the range is more then 60 Nautical miles (114-115 Km would be 61.5 or so Nautical miles, so I suppose they just decided to stay in whole numbers)

 

[Bratva]

Mectron's MAR-1 to be operational in Pakistan next year:

Robert Hewson, Rio de Janeirio:


2013-04-18

Brazil's Mectron will start deliveries of operational MAR-1 anti-radiation missiles to Pakistan next year.

Under a contract announced by Brazil and Pakistan in 2008, Mectron has now completed MAR-1 integration with Pakistan's Mirage III/V aircraft and has also handed over the mission planning, logistics, and support equipment, plus MAR-1 training rounds and simulators to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). However, some final development testing remains to be done with the missile in Brazil. Mectron says once this is completed the way will be clear to deliver fully operational 'warshot' missiles to both Brazil and Pakistan.

"MAR deliveries will begin next year and we have to deliver to Pakistan next year," stressed one Mectron source, pointing to the company's contractual obligations. In December 2008, Brazil's Chamber of Foreign Commerce ( Camara de Comercio Exterior ) approved export funding guarantees for the sale of 100 MAR-1 missiles to Pakistan.

Speaking at the LAAD 2013 defence exhibition, held in Rio de Janeiro from 9-12 April, a senior official stated : "The plans for Brazil and Pakistan are progressing in parallel, but Pakistan is pressing harder because it needs the missile more urgently. In Brazil the FAB [Força Aérea Brasileira] wants to operate the MAR-1 on its A-1M (upgraded Embraer AMX) aircraft and is waiting for that aircraft to be properly established in service so it can do the missile integration work in one pass. For the PAF, the Mirage integration is already finished; that work started in Brazil and was completed in Pakistan."

Mectron has integrated the MAR-1 on the Mirage using a stand-alone weapon controller with a separate computer that is independent of the aircraft's other systems. Mectron notes that while the PAF also plans to integrate the MAR-1 on its JF-17 Thunder lightweight fighters, that work has not yet been placed under contract. "We are not dealing with the Chinese today," said a Mectron official, adding that the Mirage integration work did not involve Dassault or any contact with France.

In November 2012, China's LOEC exhibited a new anti-radiation missile, the LOEC LD-10, that it said was intended to equip aircraft including the JF-17. A Mectron official commented: "We know China is developing an ARM, but we don't know if it works. We know that our missile does."

 

[Bilal.]

Thanks for the feedback guys, I am going to run an addendum to this article.

1. JF-17 is using Indra's RWR.

2. The actual range of the KLJ-7V1 was 75km for 3m2 and 105km for 5m2. However, the existence of KLJ-7V2 has been confirmed and its ranges run at 130km for 5m2 and +100km for 3m2. Is this correct?

@Bratva @aliyusuf @Side-Winder @abdulbarijan @Bilal. Can each of you PM me your respective Twitter/FB handles (or else I am going to use your Defence.pk profiles - one way or another I WILL credit you for your work, no escaping it )

No. I did not contribute enough to warrant being credited. Not even close

But thanks for being so kind !

 

[Zarvan]

Thanks! You know what, I'll put in addendums at the end of each article based on reader feedback here. I'll do it routinely, but I'll credit the person who puts in the analysis or source or tidbit, folks can PM me their names or Twitter or FB handles.


Lol!!!! What a time that was...I still remember the occasional Indian claiming that JF-17 will never fly.

But Block I can fire BVR this is what all members tell here