The J-20 SUCCESSFULLY conducts first flight!!

[casual]

looks like a bomber more then a multirole fighter because of it's size

this bird is a lot more dangerous then the f35 due to range and payload. that is if china can deliver on the ws-15

 

[gpit]

Congratulations guys! What an achievement!

Meanwhile can’t help but feel bad for some:

a) First, the EU. They still pose military embargo on China. LOL! They’ve missed heft of opportunities of making huge money. They instead now sell their countries to China (China’s purchase of their treasuries, and clever Japanese follow the suit today). Maybe China should sell J-20 to EU later, a downgraded version of course. What a humiliation to them!

b) Second, the fanatic. He asserted that there is a serious software problem because the left rudder turns this way and wheels turn that way…. Blahblah. LOL again! China was, is, and continues to be underestimated by ideological crusaders across the planet.

c) Third, a handful anti-China clown countries/persons around China and beyond. LOL the third time! Listen: if the Chinese want to live their way of life, WTF you want to impose your values upon them? Simple truth: there got to be more than one road that leads to Rome.

 

[siegecrossbow]

looks like a bomber more then a multirole fighter because of it's size

this bird is a lot more dangerous then the f35 due to range and payload. that is if china can deliver on the ws-15

Bomber's don't need canards for added manueverability.

 

[cloneman]

Bomber's don't need canards for added manueverability.

Also no need the all moveable tail.

 

[dbc]

First congratulations to you and all Chinese members on the maiden flight of the J-20. China has come a long way in a relatively short period, I wager the J-20 is the first of many future achievements.

Bomber's don't need canards for added manueverability.

That is incorrect, canards were introduced to allow STOL (short take off or landing) to overcome low speed stall endemic to delta planforms.

 

[gambit]

Oh yes, I remember Gambit's analysis. Oh...the software probably doesn't work because the wheel positions look funny. What a load of anti-China misinformation.

Anti? This is the typical reaction of those who cannot handle legitimate challenges. Even wonder why I do not consider criticisms of the F-22 to be 'anti' anything as long as the criticisms remain in the technical realm?

 

[chinautumn]

New picture, taken from the J-10S's cockpit:

it means that this picture was uploaded by the official?

 

[dbc]

it means that this picture was uploaded by the official?

my guess is photoshop, don't see any control surface deflection on the J-20

 

[warrior_pk]

congratulations to all Chinese brothers.Keep working hard with self belief that u have and you will be a true super power in every sense.

 

[casual]

my guess is photoshop, don't see any control surface deflection on the J-20

landscape doesn't match chengdu either

 

[Imran Khan]

RPT-New Chinese fighter jet expected by 2018: US intel

By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON, May 20 (Reuters) - China is building an advanced combat jet that may rival within eight years Lockheed Martin Corp's (LMT.N) F-22 Raptor, the premier U.S. fighter, a U.S. intelligence official said.

The date cited for the expected deployment is years ahead of previous Pentagon public forecasts and may be a sign that China's rapid military buildup is topping many experts' expectations.

"We're anticipating China to have a fifth-generation fighter ... operational right around 2018," Wayne Ulman of the National Air and Space Intelligence Center testified on Thursday to a congressionally mandated group that studies national security implications of U.S.-China economic ties.

"Fifth-generation" fighters feature cutting-edge capabilities, including shapes, materials and propulsion systems designed to make them look as small as a swallow on enemy radar screens.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates had said last year that China "is projected to have no fifth-generation aircraft by 2020" and only a "handful" by 2025.

He made the comments on July 16 to the Economic Club of Chicago while pushing Congress to cap F-22 production at 187 planes in an effort to save billions of dollars in the next decade.

Ulman is China "issues manager" at the center that is the U.S. military's prime intelligence producer on foreign air and space forces, weapons and systems. He said China's military was eyeing options for possible use of force against Taiwan, which Beijing deems a rogue province.

The People's Liberation Army, as part of its Taiwan planning, also is preparing to counter "expected U.S. intervention in support of Taiwan," he told the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission.

He said the PLA's strategy included weakening U.S. air power by striking air bases, aircraft carrier strike groups and support elements if the U.S. stepped in.

Attacks against U.S. "basing infrastructure" in the western Pacific would be carried out by China's air force along with an artillery corps' conventional cruise missile and ballistic missile forces, he said outlining what he described as a likely scenario.

He described China as a "hard target" for intelligence-gathering and said there were a lot of unknowns about its next fighter, a follow-on to nearly 500 4th generation fighters "that can be considered at a technical parity" with older U.S. fighters.

"It's yet to be seen exactly how (the next generation) will compare one on one with say an F-22," Ulman told the commission. "But it'll certainly be in that ballpark."

 

[gambit]

Also no need the all moveable tail.

Actually, the absence of rear horizontal stabilators make more prominence the all-moving vertical stabs. Not a necessity, but only that the designers will push the all-moving v-stabs into the fore. The issues are stability controls during maneuvers and leverage points that forces act upon. If you look at the positions of the canards you will see that they are at the very narrow area of the body -- forward fuselage. Asymmetric deflections by the canards to perform a roll maneuver will impart a twisting force upon this part of the aircraft. You can look up the v-tail Bonanza general aviation aircraft for an example of this. So for a design WITHOUT all-moving rear horizontal stabs whose forces act upon the wider and stronger areas of the fuselage, the J-20's all-moving vertical stabs seems quite the necessity to assist the delta wings' ailerons and to maintain stability in maneuvers.

 

[Speeder 2]

Anti? This is the typical reaction of those who cannot handle legitimate challenges. Even wonder why I do not consider criticisms of the F-22 to be 'anti' anything as long as the criticisms remain in the technical realm?

The left rudder thing - it´s basically so typical antis'behaviour - trying to pick a bone from an egg , to be frank, cuz the plane had zero speed and the pilot could be engaging all sorts of testing movements of the body parts without a formal engagement of inflight computer which, IMO, could be activitated automatically once the plane´speed is up such as in takeoff run, or be manually swtiched to a sort of Flight Control Mode.

 

[siegecrossbow]

my guess is photoshop, don't see any control surface deflection on the J-20

Confirmed photoshop now lol. The guy who started the thread is now getting his share...

 

[Speeder 2]

Nothing conclusive but there are speculations.

Check this picture out:

TX!

Yet i still can NOT see a thing there...

nonetheless, my logic goes: since there's clear sth bulky down there, how the heck it's that technologically demanding and/or time consuming to cut a door out of it to make a weapon bay ? ... thus whatever happens, the bay/s must be down there. We just can't see it/them from current pics.