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LOL, Did your account have been hacked, just curious
@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @Taygibay @Nilgiri @hellboy @Omega007
Before answering your post lets see what does this deal means
Negotiations over the past 17 months have yielded more advantages to the Indian side over the MMRCA deal. The French had made an opening offer of €12 billion in May 2015 when the negotiations began. The French offer came down to €8.6 billion on the midnight of 25-26 January, 2016 when French President François Hollande was in India as a chief guest for the Republic Day celebrations. But the Indian side wanted the price to be reduced further. It was in May 2016 that the two sides finally agreed at a price of €7.878 billion.. Prime Minister Modi had confirmed in Paris in April 2015 that India would buy 36 Rafales, all built in France. The Rafales will have 14 India-specific enhancements and MBDA-built 150km-range Meteor air-to-air missiles & Scalp-EG cruise missiles as part of the €7.878-billion (around Rs 59,000 crore) deal. The French will also guarantee performance-based logistics support which means that 75% of the fleet will be airworthy at any given time. IAF will also get free training for nine personnel, including three pilots, estimated to be worth €100 million. The IAF will get an additional guarantee for an additional 60 flight-hours for the trainer version of Rafale, and a concession to keep the weapons storage in France for an additional six months without any charge. The French have also agreed to supply spares for a period of 7 years at initial cost, instead of five years, with an option that a new deal will be negotiated for the next five years. The standard European escalation cost has also been brought down from 4% to 3.5%.
This is hilarious, When did anyone from the India, and the RM or GOI official said that those rafales are for the replacement of the MIG-21. Here is the actual requirement, which is the long range DPSA requirement, which IAF needed for which it needed twin engine, long range, and high load carrying capability, which Rafale have period. For the replacement of MIG-21, we needed a single engine combat plane which LCA/LMCA Tejas Mk-1 qualifies and could use the infrastructure and shelters builts for the Mig-21. MIG-21 would be phased out till 2024, and presently providing the role of Interceptor/point defence --(Mig-21 Bison), CAS role, which other Mig-21 provides and MIG-21 UB which is twin seater variants for the training purpose. Read it slowly, and understand the roles and the requirement.
Notorious expensive, well tell me the cost of the F-16 block 60/62 or the EF-2000 cost. The cost of Rafale F3R which India is now procuring is coming approx 85 million a piece for flyaway condition. The highter cost indicates that the cost shown was with the spares support for 5/7 years, and the infrastructure cost plus the weaponary including long range Meteors.
This is also a funny remark, because it is based on an assumption that the adversaries will absorb the plane with inherited training and tactics. Janab it will take years for IAF to absorb, train, and make strategies around it, and the same formulla will also be applied for the so called adversaries.
Why would it so ?? When the role of both the planes are different. The cost factor which is almost thrice the cost of the LCA is a big factor, and both of them will be complimentary to each other. IAF need for Rafale is only 189 unit, and those will be ordered in batches, and IAF have already given the order for 126 LCA mk-1 with SOP-18 standard, and IN is already commited for the 40 units for the carrier version. There is also a huge requirement for the LCA trainer twin seater of MK-1 LCA. As you can see there are enough orders so where are you specullating the internal battle. Infact Rafale F3R would help India, in gaining various cutting edge technology because their are arround 20 technology which will be transfered to India, and the details will come latter. Pls visit Rafale sticky thread for more information.
How ?? 36 +18 units of Rafale is the initial batch which will be taken in flyaway condition, till the Dassault could ties up with the Indian OEM to prepare the ground, and the capability in the country to produce it in India first with kits, and then increase the production percentage wise.
LOL, close the door -- How ?? When IAF have choosen Rafale over Eurofighter because it suits more for their requirement, then how did it is corelated to closing the door for Eurofighter.
Now are you referring to the french side of politics, because if you are referring to Indian approach, its not very difficult to understand that both GOI and IAF have long zeroed on Rafale.
Do you have any authority to comment on the so called big bribes to the French, with zero credential and proof. If you have any proof please share otherwise its just a scarcism, and the jealousy. Rafale was choosen with an extensive trial and competition among 5 OEMs and aircraft, and every OEM have praised the manner India and IAF conducted the trial in a opaque manner. Each test result was shown, verified with the OEM's presence and signed by them in which only EF and Rafale came first, and EF was beaten by Rafale on the basis of economics.
This was very disappointing post of yours which I have read of you, kindly check the quality of your post, because I have great regard for you.
@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @Taygibay @Nilgiri @hellboy @Omega007
Before answering your post lets see what does this deal means
Negotiations over the past 17 months have yielded more advantages to the Indian side over the MMRCA deal. The French had made an opening offer of €12 billion in May 2015 when the negotiations began. The French offer came down to €8.6 billion on the midnight of 25-26 January, 2016 when French President François Hollande was in India as a chief guest for the Republic Day celebrations. But the Indian side wanted the price to be reduced further. It was in May 2016 that the two sides finally agreed at a price of €7.878 billion.. Prime Minister Modi had confirmed in Paris in April 2015 that India would buy 36 Rafales, all built in France. The Rafales will have 14 India-specific enhancements and MBDA-built 150km-range Meteor air-to-air missiles & Scalp-EG cruise missiles as part of the €7.878-billion (around Rs 59,000 crore) deal. The French will also guarantee performance-based logistics support which means that 75% of the fleet will be airworthy at any given time. IAF will also get free training for nine personnel, including three pilots, estimated to be worth €100 million. The IAF will get an additional guarantee for an additional 60 flight-hours for the trainer version of Rafale, and a concession to keep the weapons storage in France for an additional six months without any charge. The French have also agreed to supply spares for a period of 7 years at initial cost, instead of five years, with an option that a new deal will be negotiated for the next five years. The standard European escalation cost has also been brought down from 4% to 3.5%.
This is hilarious, When did anyone from the India, and the RM or GOI official said that those rafales are for the replacement of the MIG-21. Here is the actual requirement, which is the long range DPSA requirement, which IAF needed for which it needed twin engine, long range, and high load carrying capability, which Rafale have period. For the replacement of MIG-21, we needed a single engine combat plane which LCA/LMCA Tejas Mk-1 qualifies and could use the infrastructure and shelters builts for the Mig-21. MIG-21 would be phased out till 2024, and presently providing the role of Interceptor/point defence --(Mig-21 Bison), CAS role, which other Mig-21 provides and MIG-21 UB which is twin seater variants for the training purpose. Read it slowly, and understand the roles and the requirement.
Notorious expensive, well tell me the cost of the F-16 block 60/62 or the EF-2000 cost. The cost of Rafale F3R which India is now procuring is coming approx 85 million a piece for flyaway condition. The highter cost indicates that the cost shown was with the spares support for 5/7 years, and the infrastructure cost plus the weaponary including long range Meteors.
This is also a funny remark, because it is based on an assumption that the adversaries will absorb the plane with inherited training and tactics. Janab it will take years for IAF to absorb, train, and make strategies around it, and the same formulla will also be applied for the so called adversaries.
Why would it so ?? When the role of both the planes are different. The cost factor which is almost thrice the cost of the LCA is a big factor, and both of them will be complimentary to each other. IAF need for Rafale is only 189 unit, and those will be ordered in batches, and IAF have already given the order for 126 LCA mk-1 with SOP-18 standard, and IN is already commited for the 40 units for the carrier version. There is also a huge requirement for the LCA trainer twin seater of MK-1 LCA. As you can see there are enough orders so where are you specullating the internal battle. Infact Rafale F3R would help India, in gaining various cutting edge technology because their are arround 20 technology which will be transfered to India, and the details will come latter. Pls visit Rafale sticky thread for more information.
How ?? 36 +18 units of Rafale is the initial batch which will be taken in flyaway condition, till the Dassault could ties up with the Indian OEM to prepare the ground, and the capability in the country to produce it in India first with kits, and then increase the production percentage wise.
LOL, close the door -- How ?? When IAF have choosen Rafale over Eurofighter because it suits more for their requirement, then how did it is corelated to closing the door for Eurofighter.
Now are you referring to the french side of politics, because if you are referring to Indian approach, its not very difficult to understand that both GOI and IAF have long zeroed on Rafale.
Do you have any authority to comment on the so called big bribes to the French, with zero credential and proof. If you have any proof please share otherwise its just a scarcism, and the jealousy. Rafale was choosen with an extensive trial and competition among 5 OEMs and aircraft, and every OEM have praised the manner India and IAF conducted the trial in a opaque manner. Each test result was shown, verified with the OEM's presence and signed by them in which only EF and Rafale came first, and EF was beaten by Rafale on the basis of economics.
This was very disappointing post of yours which I have read of you, kindly check the quality of your post, because I have great regard for you.
our lame duck move gave u 8 points to celebrate..who would have thought indian defence ministry was not smart enough to calculate 8 points u wrote
