The Indian Air Force continues to underperform.

[janon]

Because it didn't need to. Genius, please the quote IAF vs PAF losses in that war?

Please also quote the IAF v/s PAF successes in that war. Obviously if your air force doesnt participate in the war, its losses will be zero. You are a piece of work, you know?

It didn't need to? IAF was merrily blowing up your ground forces and their supply lines and their ammunition depots. The PAF didn't dare to support the ground troops or counter the IAF. So yes, zero losses. Congrats.

And when it was really needed in 2001/2008, IAF could do absolutely nothing. What makes you think they can do anything now? A bollywood movie? perhaps.

In 2001 or 2008, PAF was not bombing Indian forces left right and center. But IAF was doing that in the Kargil war, and PAF was MIA.

 

[GORKHALI]

Devastation of Pathankot

8-Pass Charlie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are not testimonies.

You should stop seeing Indian channels where you get your history lessons

Histoy: As Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi addressed the nation on radio shortly after midnight[23] informing about the Pakistani attack, the Indian Air Force struck back. By 21:00hrs, the Canberras of the No.35 Squadron and No.106 Squadron, as well as No.5 and No.16 squadron were armed and ready for their foray deep into Pakistan. These flew against eight Western Pakistani airfields of Murid, Mianwali, Sargodha, Chander, Risalewala, Rafiqui, and Masroor. In total, 23 combat sorties were launched that night, inflicting heavy damage to Sargodha and Masroor.[17] The PAF units stationed on these airfields had to operate from taxiways for the following two days.

Through the night the IAF also struck the main East Pakistani airfields of Tejgaon, and later Kurmitolla. At the same time, the IAF was deploying additional aircraft to its forward airfields for the strikes that were to follow the next morning. Within two days, the Indian Air Force was to achieve complete air supremacy in the East Pakistan.[11]
East Pakistan Air Operations, 1971 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Total Air supermecy is something only few countries achieved after WWII.

 

[Bratva]

Please also quote the IAF v/s PAF successes in that war. Obviously if your air force doesnt participate in the war, its losses will be zero. You are a piece of work, you know?

It didn't need to? IAF was merrily blowing up your ground forces and their supply lines and their ammunition depots. The PAF didn't dare to support the ground troops or counter the IAF. So yes, zero losses. Congrats.


In 2001 or 2008, PAF was not bombing Indian forces left right and center. But IAF was doing that in the Kargil war, and PAF was MIA.

Was it a conventional warfare ?

 

[janon]

Fantasy story or not, please explain why IAF or India chickened out? Was it that IAF was so much superior or they really couldn't do anything?

According to yourr people, we have responded in kind, by supporting similar acts in your country. Pakistan has had several 26/11s since then, while India has not. You can't have the cake and eat it too - on the one hand accuse India for all your internal strife, and on the other, say that India has not been able to retaliate for the terrorist act by Pakistanis.

 

[13 komaun]

No wonder Ignorance runs high in an average Indian when it is about Pakistan.

I thought 3000 Indian soldiers enslaved 93000 Pakistanis turns out it was Mig 21

Dogfight duke: The MiG that forced an army’s surrender | Russia & India Report

 

[GORKHALI]

Fantasy story or not, please explain why IAF or India chickened out? Was it that IAF was so much superior or they really couldn't do anything?

Well Fantasy story told by whom Chuck yeager- Who lost his Beloved Beech craft to Indian naval pilots and was crazy in calling Indian pilots as bastards

Or F 16 who got its first batch of AMRAAM in 2009 while Su 30mki are BVR laden machine since inception still you claim we escorted .Only pakistanis living in a fool paradise will believe this fantasy stories.

 

[Bratva]

I thought 3000 Indian soldiers enslaved 93000 Pakistanis turns out it was Mig 21

Dogfight duke: The MiG that forced an army’s surrender | Russia & India Report

Sawal chana Jawab Gandum. He was talking about Kargil jang and your claim of 93000. Like I said ignorance runs high

 

[Windjammer]

*Bears.

Indeed, it does. Including the previous war in which PAF did not dare to even present itself.

Errr, in the so called previous war, IAF conducted all operations within it's own territory, but as soon as it ventured over the border, we all know what happened....besides, the lack of nerves in 2002 and 2008 happened much after the Kargil conflict.

 

[janon]

Was it a conventional warfare ?

It was, for us. Our uniformed forces were killing and throwing out your fighters who didn't dare to wear uniforms. Just because they didn't wear uniforms doesn't make them unconoventional - just cowardly. The tactics were very much conventional.

Conventional or unconventional is decided by the tactics used, not by whether one country is too ashamed to admit it fought. Your NLI and other lashkies were waging war against India, and our forces responded conventionally. Our air force bombed them to smithereens, and the strike fighters always flew with mig-29 fighter escorts, which ensured that PAF wouldn't dare to present itself.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

For your Reading pleasure @Windjammer

While the photo-recce missions typically did not involve deliberate border violations, there were a total of 37 ‘technical violations’ (which emanate as a consequence of kinks and bends in the geographical boundaries).

Typically, these averaged to a depth of five nautical miles, except on one occasion when the IAF fighters apparently cocked-a-snoot at the PAF and came in 13 miles deep.

Source Aeronaut: Kargil Conflict and Pakistan Air Force

 

[Bratva]

It was, for us. Our uniformed forces were killing and throwing out your fighters who didn't dare to wear uniforms. Just because they didn't wear uniforms doesn't make them unconoventional - just cowardly. The tactics were very much conventional.

Conventional or unconventional is decided by the tactics used, not by whether one country is too ashamed to admit it fought. Your NLI and other lashkies were waging war against India, and our forces responded conventionally. Our air force bombed them to smithereens, and the strike fighters always flew with mig-29 fighter escorts, which ensured that PAF wouldn't dare to present itself.

Let me rephrase my question. Did Pakistan declared a conventional warfare upon India that requires PAF to cross border of India? and this time do reply sensibly.

In all your gloating, you did forget to mention about what happen to IAF aircrafts which crossed into Pakistan and explicit instructions given to IAF not to cross Pakistani border

 

[janon]

Errr, in the so called previous war, IAF conducted all operations within it's own territory, but as soon as it ventured over the border, we all know what happened....besides, the lack of nerves in 2002 and 2008 happened much after the Kargil conflict.

In 1999, IAF operated in territory occupied by Pakistani troops. The PAF did not dare to give them CAS or to prevent them from being halaled by the IAF.

In 2002 and 2008, PAF was not bombing our troops. If that was happening, IAF would have had something to say, unlike the PAF which was MIA under the same circumstance.

26/11 was an act of terrorism by Pakistan. I'm sure you are proud of it, ubt do bear in mind that since then, Pak suffered similar acts of terrorism on a weekly basis.

 

[GORKHALI]

Errr, in the so called previous war, IAF conducted all operations within it's own territory, but as soon as it ventured over the border, we all know what happened....besides, the lack of nerves in 2002 and 2008 happened much after the Kargil conflict.

Talking about Kargil.
To prevent the mission from being seen as an escalatory step in the already charged atmosphere, PAF had to lure Indian fighters into its own territory, ie Azad Kashmir or the Northern Areas. That done, a number of issues had to be tackled. What if the enemy aircraft were hit in our territory but fell across, providing a pretext to India as a doubly aggrieved party? What if one of our own aircraft fell, no matter if the exchange was one-to-one (or better)? Finally, even if we were able to pull off a surprise, would it not be a one-off incident, with the IAF becoming wiser in quick time? The over-arching consideration was the BVR missile capability of IAF fighters which impinged unfavourably on the mission success probability.

F-16 CAPs could not have been flown all day long as spares support was limited under the prevailing US sanctions. Random CAPs were resorted to, with a noticeable drop in border violations only as long as the F-16s were on station. There were a few cases of F-16s and Mirage-2000s locking their adversaries with the on-board radars but caution usually prevailed and no close encounters took place. After one week of CAPs, the F-16 maintenance personnel indicated that war reserve spares were being eaten into.
None other than but Kaiser tufil

Aeronaut: Kargil Conflict and Pakistan Air Force

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The IAF mobilised and reacted rapidly as the Indian Army took time to position itself. Later, when the Indian Army had entrenched itself, the IAF supplemented and filled in where the artillery could not be positioned in force. Clearly, Army-Air joint operations had a synergistic effect in evicting the intruders.

Source Aeronaut: Kargil Conflict and Pakistan Air Force

 

[Windjammer]

PAF is good in writing testimony and IAF is good in writing history.

PS: Only powerful regimes and countries write history not some loser.

Yup, history like in Pathankot, Kalaikunda, Ambala.....since we are talking about airforce, i will not mention Chahmb, Mukerian and few others.