The IAF Wants A ‘3 x BrahMos’ Load-Out Option

[Safriz]

brahmos Ng on rafale

bhai pehlay Rafale Anaya you Dou. Abhi sey hii

 

[jaiind]

bhai pehlay Rafale Anaya you Dou. Abhi sey hii

rafale ayega,mashallah!! thu tension math le!!

 

[DarX]

Tell me one sector where you are at least equal to India, let alone ahead of us. No wonder you are having great trade deficit against almost all countries with whom you are doing business.

So much for your efficiency in completing projects across all sectors. LOL

Haha. You Hindustanis are proficient at only one thing, and that is dodging uncomfortable situations or changing the topic. This is a defense discussion forum and the topic was defense related too. Since we were talking about defense projects, I pointed to the following shining examples of Hindustan defense and it's Pakistani counterparts;

- LCA Tejas - JF-17
- Arjun Tank - Al-Khalid MBT
- HAL HJT-36 Sitara - K-8 Karakorum
- Nirbhay cruise missile - Babur SLCM, Ra'ad ALCM
- INSAS rifle - H&K G-3
- T-90 Bhishma (spiraling cost of local production)
- SU-30 (spiraling cost of local production)

Pakistan has been facing security related problems due to its geopolitical situation, but with the CPEC, Pakistan is making progress where it counts and that is building up its infrastructure. Actually we are not in the habit of making tall claims like you Hindustanis, and so while you have all talk and no action by Modi, many of the CPEC projects are completed or nearing completion.

It will become difficult for you to play this card in the near future.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Idiots. They should flatly refuse IAF request. They are requesting what an dedicated Bomber should do and not a fighter.

 

[Tom M]

Haha. You Hindustanis are proficient at only one thing, and that is dodging uncomfortable situations or changing the topic. This is a defense discussion forum and the topic was defense related too. Since we were talking about defense projects, I pointed to the following shining examples of Hindustan defense and it's Pakistani counterparts;

- LCA Tejas - JF-17
- Arjun Tank - Al-Khalid MBT
- HAL HJT-36 Sitara - K-8 Karakorum
- Nirbhay cruise missile - Babur SLCM, Ra'ad ALCM
- INSAS rifle - H&K G-3
- T-90 Bhishma (spiraling cost of local production)
- SU-30 (spiraling cost of local production)

While our LCA and Arjun are purely indigenous, you are comparing it with Joint ventures, JF-17 and Al-Khalid. LOL

Come up with something that you have made alone even if you have acquired the parts for the same from outside. The R&D should be local. Do you have any single Jet Fighter or Tank who's R&D is completely indigenous.

As per your logic your Babur or Ra'ad don't even stand a chance against Brahmos .

Regarding T-90 and SU-30, thanks for your care about our spiraling cost, yet we are far better I guess. Because please remember you belong to the same country who choose to acquire a nuclear bomb while eating grass. Sorry, but I'm not the one who told that.

Pakistan has been facing security related problems due to its geopolitical situation, but with the CPEC, Pakistan is making progress where it counts and that is building up its infrastructure. Actually we are not in the habit of making tall claims like you Hindustanis, and so while you have all talk and no action by Modi, many of the CPEC projects are completed or nearing completion.

It will become difficult for you to play this card in the near future.

LOL, who told all talk but no action are being taken ??

That might be the reason why our GDP is showing healthy growth YOY. Actually we add a Pakistan to our GDP YOY in economic terms.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/india-adds-one-pakistan-to-its-gdp-year-on-year.406748/

http://www.iba.edu.pk/News/speechesarticles_drishrat/Indo_Pak_economies_compared.pdf

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1196602/pakistan-lags-behind-india-bangladesh-economic-growth-report/

While there is nothing to brag about because we have a long way to go if we need to catch up with the top 3 Economies. But please don't say that we do nothing except talk. We are actually doing a lot of things and the differences are clearly shown in the economy and GDP.

Just for your info, we are revolutionizing a lot of things in business, trade and commerce. The game changer GST will be a reality from today mid-night just in case.

Regarding your CPEC, all the very best.

But a small advice as well "Please don't count your chickens before they hatch".

 

[ni8mare]

- LCA Tejas - JF-17
- Arjun Tank - Al-Khalid MBT
- HAL HJT-36 Sitara - K-8 Karakorum
- Nirbhay cruise missile - Babur SLCM, Ra'ad ALCM
- INSAS rifle - H&K G-3
- T-90 Bhishma (spiraling cost of local production)
- SU-30 (spiraling cost of local production)

Akash sam - na(spiraling cost of local production)
Aesa radar- na(spiraling cost of local production)
Awacs - na(spiraling cost of local production)
War Ships - na(spiraling cost of local production)
Subs - na(spiraling cost of local production)
Artillery guns - na(spiraling cost of local production)
etc...

 

[DarX]

Akash sam - na(spiraling cost of local production)
Aesa radar- na(spiraling cost of local production)
Awacs - na(spiraling cost of local production)
War Ships - na(spiraling cost of local production)
Subs - na(spiraling cost of local production)
Artillery guns - na(spiraling cost of local production)
etc...

What was the point of this post? No facts, no information, no structure of argument.

While our LCA and Arjun are purely indigenous, you are comparing it with Joint ventures, JF-17 and Al-Khalid. LOL

Come up with something that you have made alone even if you have acquired the parts for the same from outside. The R&D should be local. Do you have any single Jet Fighter or Tank who's R&D is completely indigenous.

As per your logic your Babur or Ra'ad don't even stand a chance against Brahmos .

Regarding T-90 and SU-30, thanks for your care about our spiraling cost, yet we are far better I guess. Because please remember you belong to the same country who choose to acquire a nuclear bomb while eating grass. Sorry, but I'm not the one who told that.

LOL, who told all talk but no action are being taken ??

That might be the reason why our GDP is showing healthy growth YOY. Actually we add a Pakistan to our GDP YOY in economic terms.

While there is nothing to brag about because we have a long way to go if we need to catch up with the top 3 Economies. But please don't say that we do nothing except talk. We are actually doing a lot of things and the differences are clearly shown in the economy and GDP.

Just for your info, we are revolutionizing a lot of things in business, trade and commerce. The game changer GST will be a reality from today mid-night just in case.

Regarding your CPEC, all the very best.

But a small advice as well "Please don't count your chickens before they hatch".

LOL!!! LCA Tejas and Arjun MBT are indigenous?? You must've a different definition of "indigenous" to the rest of the world. Is the engine in the Tejas local? Radar? sub-systems local? Ejection seat? Weapons? Even the radome of the Tejas is imported! It is the same case with the Arjun MBT. In fact, 80% of the Arjun MBT fleet is non-functional because the spare parts are not being imported in a timely manner. Both projects almost the exact same percentage of imported components as compared to the JF-17 and Al-Khalid MBT. You can check your own Hindustani sources for this information.

You seem to harp on the fact that they are locally designed but what is the point of these projects if they DO NOT achieve their objectives?? The LCA Tejas project was started 40 years ago and has yet to conduct gun firing trials. Its main objective was to replace the Mig-21 and Mig-27, but its delay has meant that Hindustan will have to spend an extra $20 billion on another imported fighter jet to keep up its air force strength. The Arjun tank followed a similar timeline and the result was an unreliable overweight tank which can't cross a single bridge in the Punjab, and has forced Hindustan to assemble T-90s locally at twice the imported cost. So, what great achievement are you talking about with these projects? You are asking me to bring projects that we have built from scratch? I'm asking you to bring your indigenous projects which you designed and are serving in your forces successfully!

You should rather be ashamed of the LCA Tejas and Arjun MBT fiascoes which have left you pushing your older dilapidated equipment, and which have caused Hindustan to look for other equipment at extra costs. The JF-17 project cost Pakistan only $250 million (as compared to the LCA Tejas cost up till now at $2 billion and counting) and has allowed us to timely retire our legacy fighters without risking higher maintenance costs or reduced defense capability. The Al-Khalid MBT has been similarly useful in its role.

With regards to the Brahmos, it is a copy of the Russian Onyx missile, and while its supersonic strength is a good capability, Hindustan doesn't have the anti-aircraft defense capability to protect itself against Pakistan's Babur and Ra'ad cruise missiles.

You have some similar misconceptions about your economy. You should remember that the order for Rafale was reduced from 126 planes to just 36, because India couldn't afford it. How come a super power can't afford these new planes? It is hilarious to note that you say that you add a Pakistan to your economy on YOY basis. Yes the Indian economy was growing, but you might want to read the international news publications for the first time in your life. India has changed the GDP calculation formula and even Raghuram Rajan was confused by the exorbitant GDP figures portrayed by the Modi government.

In fact, it would be benefit you to start researching what is actually being done by Modi as compared to what he has been telling you. All major reforms have been deflected to the states and they are now on a back burner. India is doling out farm loan wavers which provide temporary relief to the farmers but increase the deficit and reduce the productivity. Even the GST reform has been bungled up and is now the most complicated GST system in the world, with about 1000 filings for each tax year for each company. The truth is that Modi is fooling you into believing that he is doing a lot of work. But he has failed in every aspect, from getting snubbed at the BRICS summit in Goa to his demolition of the Indian economy through the demonetization blunder.

Thank you for wishing us luck on the CPEC project. You might be regretting it very soon.

 

[Safriz]

While our LCA and Arjun are purely indigenous, you are comparing it with Joint ventures, JF-17 and Al-Khalid. LOL

Come up with something that you have made alone even if you have acquired the parts for the same from outside. The R&D should be local. Do you have any single Jet Fighter or Tank who's R&D is completely indigenous.

As per your logic your Babur or Ra'ad don't even stand a chance against Brahmos .

Regarding T-90 and SU-30, thanks for your care about our spiraling cost, yet we are far better I guess. Because please remember you belong to the same country who choose to acquire a nuclear bomb while eating grass. Sorry, but I'm not the one who told that.



LOL, who told all talk but no action are being taken ??

That might be the reason why our GDP is showing healthy growth YOY. Actually we add a Pakistan to our GDP YOY in economic terms.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/india-adds-one-pakistan-to-its-gdp-year-on-year.406748/

http://www.iba.edu.pk/News/speechesarticles_drishrat/Indo_Pak_economies_compared.pdf

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1196602/pakistan-lags-behind-india-bangladesh-economic-growth-report/

While there is nothing to brag about because we have a long way to go if we need to catch up with the top 3 Economies. But please don't say that we do nothing except talk. We are actually doing a lot of things and the differences are clearly shown in the economy and GDP.

Just for your info, we are revolutionizing a lot of things in business, trade and commerce. The game changer GST will be a reality from today mid-night just in case.

Regarding your CPEC, all the very best.

But a small advice as well "Please don't count your chickens before they hatch".

er... what engine and avionics Tejas is using? First look at that , then call it indigenous.

 

[ranadd]

Idiots. They should flatly refuse IAF request. They are requesting what an dedicated Bomber should do and not a fighter.

This. Don't understand what is wrong with IAF.

Bomber category exists for this.

 

[gslv mk3]

er... what engine and avionics Tejas is using? First look at that , then call it indigenous.

What engine is SAAB Gripen using ? JF 17 ? J 10 ?

LCA uses Indian Avionics, so do many Indian upgraded Migs, Jaguar etc

 

[ashok321]

bhai pehlay Rafale Anaya you Dou. Abhi sey hii

After India gets 3 BrahMos under Sukhoi's fuselage after several years, China will have such arrangement or better, because they are working silently, they never announce what they are up to (beforehand).

 

[gslv mk3]

bhai pehlay Rafale Anaya you Dou.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...red-to-india-in-2019/articleshow/57175912.cms

Meanwhile your compatriots are fantasizing about PAF operating everything from Su 35 to J-20.

Considering the history of the projects that Hindustan has undertaken, all that can be understood is the even necessity being the mother of invention is not enough to successfully complete projects

Yet we produce everything from Space Launchers to the proverbial motorcycle here.

They are dreaming 3. Delusion is the word here.

Still have the audacity to come here after getting literally owned ?

but you can not even travel to Kashmir today.

And what about 700,000 troops in Kashmir ? Or was it 7 million ?

So all this ho ha is for a weapon some one just saw in a dream... is not made or flight tested and forst test is due 6 years from now....

You couldn't be more wrong. Even the Brahmos II will have a flight sooner.

I pointed to the following shining examples of Hindustan defense and it's Pakistani counterparts;

Nice try with comparing Indian designed products with kit assemble ones in Pakistan.

 

[DarX]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...red-to-india-in-2019/articleshow/57175912.cms

Meanwhile your compatriots are fantasizing about PAF operating everything from Su 35 to J-20.



Yet we produce everything from Space Launchers to the proverbial motorcycle here.



Still have the audacity to come here after getting literally owned ?



And what about 700,000 troops in Kashmir ? Or was it 7 million ?



You couldn't be more wrong. Even the Brahmos II will have a flight sooner.



Nice try with comparing Indian designed products with kit assemble ones in Pakistan.

Indian designed kit either sits on the drawing board, in the workshop or exploding in the user's own face. I can't even say "nice try" for that. And if you have to keep 700,000 security personnel to maintain your hold on the land of Kashmir, that is defined as an occupation.

 

[gslv mk3]

What was the point of this post? No facts, no information, no structure of argument.

The argument is that your defense industry is incomparable in size or diversity.

LOL!!! LCA Tejas and Arjun MBT are indigenous?? You must've a different definition of "indigenous" to the rest of the world. Is the engine in the Tejas local? Radar? sub-systems local? Ejection seat? Weapons? Even the radome of the Tejas is imported!

'Indigenous' in the Indian context means Indigenously designed & developed. LCA has 60% indigenous subsystems. Su 30 MKI produced at Nashik (even the AL-31 FP engine included) have far more Indian manufactured content (up to 90%), but is not designated indigenous.

BTW, care to explain how JF 17 has more Indigenous content when Pakistan does not produce the complete airframe of the same ?

Indian designed kit either sits on the drawing board, in the workshop or exploding in the user's own face.

Yeah sure,

Over $40 billion worth of DRDO developed products are under induction/ order. Now that doesn't involve warships or helicopters or trainers.

And if you have to keep 700,000 security personnel to maintain your hold on the land of Kashmir

No we don't have to 700 K is a Pakistani claim.

The LCA Tejas project was started 40 years ago and has yet to conduct gun firing trials.

1989 was 28 years ago. And I never knew that guns were more important than a BVRAAM or a HOBS CCM.

 

[Trango Towers]

i think its brahmos M or not current heavy weight brahmos!!


we reached mars !! where your people still trying to reach kashmir!!

Did you take a toilet to mars?
Taking if Kashmir, not only did we take half of it from you but also took all of pakistan from you. Enjoy your day.