The IAF Wants A ‘3 x BrahMos’ Load-Out Option

[Srinivas]

Don't lose your head when I come.

You Will strap some Suiside jacket and come or what?

 

[gslv mk3]

e JF-17 project cost Pakistan only $250 million (as compared to the LCA Tejas cost up till now at $2 billion and counting)

Meanwhile LCA has produce a whole aerospace ecosystem in India with competence in every field from composites to avionics. Our aircraft upgrade programs have benefited. An example here.

Radar?

Indo/Israeli Hybrid MMR. Our own AESA named UTTAM is under testing.

sub-systems local?

Yes, they are. The avionics, the mechanical LRUs are Indian. Even fught critical systems such as primary actuators are now developed indigenously.

Weapons?

Astra BVRAAM?

Ejection seat?

You do realize that your beloved JF 17 uses a Martin Baker ejection seat ?

 

[DarX]

The argument is that your defense industry is incomparable in size or diversity.



'Indigenous' in the Indian context means Indigenously designed & developed. LCA has 60% indigenous subsystems. Su 30 MKI produced at Nashik (even the AL-31 FP engine included) have far more Indian manufactured content (up to 90%), but is not designated indigenous.

BTW, care to explain how JF 17 has more Indigenous content when Pakistan does not produce the complete airframe of the same ?



Yeah sure,

Over $40 billion worth of DRDO developed products are under induction/ order. Now that doesn't involve warships or helicopters or trainers.



No we don't have to 700 K is a Pakistani claim.



1989 was 28 years ago. And I never knew that guns were more important than a BVRAAM or a HOBS CCM.

Haha. Yes you are right in one sense. Our defense industry is not comparable to your defense industry in the level of blunders that you commit or the level of propaganda that is fed to the common Indian people.

With regards to the LCA tejas, you can fiddle with the indigenization percentage number all you want, but the fact remains that this project is nothing without its foreign components. The funny thing is that, while it was never a secret that the JF-17 is a joint venture, you Hindustanis loudly proclaim the success of your "indigenous" LCA Tejas which can't eject its pilot without its imported seat and still sits on the testing ramp.

In any case, if you don't know how important gun firing trials are, perhaps you should rather be on some make-up discussion and not a defense related forum.

 

[gslv mk3]

With regards to the Brahmos, it is a copy of the Russian Onyx missile,

Yep, Brahmos is a copy even when much of it's subsystems were developed in India. But JF 17 is a JV, even when it's Pakistani developed content is almost zero.

Hindustan doesn't have the anti-aircraft defense capability to protect itself against Pakistan's Babur and Ra'ad cruise missiles.

Sure, even with Barak 8 MRSAM, S 300, Akash & Spyder QRSAM & Arudhra, MPR, Swordfish, Greenpine all integrated through IACCS.

 

[DarX]

You Will strap some Suiside jacket and come or what?

At least i have the courage to wear a suicide jacket. It is a shame that all you can do is an item number.

Yep, Brahmos is a copy even when much of it's subsystems were developed in India. But JF 17 is a JV, even when it's Pakistani developed content is almost zero.



Sure, even with Barak 8 MRSAM, S 300, Akash & Spyder QRSAM & Arudhra, MPR, Swordfish, Greenpine all integrated through IACCS.

What subsystems have you developed? And how is that better than the JF-17 JV? The level of self aggrandization in Hindustanis is amazing.

 

[gslv mk3]

Haha. Yes you are right in one sense. Our defense industry is not comparable to your defense industry in the level of blunders that you commit or the level of propaganda that is fed to the common Indian people.

That's all you could come up with ? Pathetic. Design a microlight aircraft in your country before criticizing our defense industry.

With regards to the LCA tejas, you can fiddle with the indigenization percentage number all you want, but the fact remains that this project is nothing without its foreign components.

The same goes with JF-17, J-10 or SAAB Gripen. The point is we, like the Chinese & the Swedes have designed and developed a fourth generation fighter aircraft.

you Hindustanis loudly proclaim the success of your "indigenous" LCA Tejas which can't eject its pilot without its imported seat

I would agree with you, I am quite doubtful about the Martin Baker ejection seat, given that the JF 17 which uses the same ejection seat has crashed with loss of pilot.

 

[DarX]

Meanwhile LCA has produce a whole aerospace ecosystem in India with competence in every field from composites to avionics. Our aircraft upgrade programs have benefited. An example here.

Indo/Israeli Hybrid MMR. Our own AESA named UTTAM is under testing.

Yes, they are. The avionics, the mechanical LRUs are Indian. Even fught critical systems such as primary actuators are now developed indigenously.



Astra BVRAAM?



You do realize that your beloved JF 17 uses a Martin Baker ejection seat ?

Hindustan has done all of that but failed to successfully induct the LCA Tejas, and now has to look for another imported fighter to produce under license in India. Now that project, IF IT IS SUCCESSFULLY COMMISSIONED, will be comparable to the JF-17.

That's all you could come up with ? Pathetic. Design a microlight aircraft in your country before criticizing our defense industry.



The same goes with JF-17, J-10 or SAAB Gripen. The point is we, like the Chinese & the Swedes have designed and developed a fourth generation fighter aircraft.

I would agree with you, I am quite doubtful about the Martin Baker ejection seat, given that the JF 17 which uses the same ejection seat has crashed with loss of pilot.

It is shameless for Hindustanis to make tall claims when NONE of their local products have been even minor successes.

 

[gslv mk3]

What subsystems have you developed? And how is that better than the JF-17 JV?

Some of it.

still sits on the testing ramp.

Quick question. What is this then ?

when NONE of their local products have been even minor successes.

Exactly, minor success have order book value running into tens of billions of dollars. Now that's strange.

Hindustan has done all of that but failed to successfully induct the LCA Tejas

That's what you could come up with ? It is already inducted & in service.

Now that project, IF IT IS SUCCESSFULLY COMMISSIONED, will be comparable to the JF-17.

Comparable to to what ?

It is hilarious to note that you say that you add a Pakistan to your economy on YOY basis. Yes the Indian economy was growing, but you might want to read the international news publications for the first time in your life. India has changed the GDP calculation formula and even Raghuram Rajan was confused by the exorbitant GDP figures portrayed by the Modi government.

Interesting point, but governments pay for purchases from their budget not GDP. And we have annual BE of $700 billion.

What subsystems have you developed?

Technologies developed and Spin offs

 

[DarX]

Some of it.

Quick question. What is this then ?

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Exactly, minor success have order book value running into tens of billions of dollars. Now that's strange.



That's what you could come up with ? It is already inducted & in service.



Comparable to to what ?

Haha. You boasted about Brahmos and when I questioned what subsystems are you talking about, you quickly shifted to Tejas. It seems like changing stripes is natural ability of Hindustanis.

"Quick question. What is this then ?"

Quick Answer: Attempt to fool the Indian public. When the planes can't even fire their guns, they are nothing but prototypes.

"Exactly, minor success have order book value running into tens of billions of dollars. Now that's strange."

You must be joking. You make a blunder and costs rocket out of hand. Then you hold that escalating cost as some great success?!?

"That's what you could come up with ? It is already inducted & in service."

What service?????? It can't even fire a gun! What service does it do? Provide joy rides to the base commander's kids?

"Comparable to to what ?"

To an aircraft which is in service. Not some paper tiger like the LCA Tejas.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

i think its brahmos M or not current heavy weight brahmos!!


we reached mars !! where your people still trying to reach kashmir!!

How about reaching a toilet.

Wrong priorities.

Haha. You boasted about Brahmos and when I questioned what subsystems are you talking about, you quickly shifted to Tejas. It seems like changing stripes is natural ability of Hindustanis.

"Quick question. What is this then ?"

Quick Answer: Attempt to fool the Indian public. When the planes can't even fire their guns, they are nothing but prototypes.

"Exactly, minor success have order book value running into tens of billions of dollars. Now that's strange."

You must be joking. You make a blunder and costs rocket out of hand. Then you hold that escalating cost as some great success?!?

"That's what you could come up with ? It is already inducted & in service."

What service?????? It can't even fire a gun! What service does it do? Provide joy rides to the base commander's kids?

"Comparable to to what ?"

To an aircraft which is in service. Not some paper tiger like the LCA Tejas.

His modus operandi.

 

[gslv mk3]

Haha. You boasted about Brahmos and when I questioned what subsystems are you talking about

You need to know about subsystems for Brahmos ? Cut the rhetoric, I will show you.

Seeker for Airborne version.

UVLM, FCS, Airframe

INS, MCP, MAL

Actuators, on board computers.

Quick Answer: Attempt to fool the Indian public. When the planes can't even fire their guns, they are nothing but prototypes.

What service?????? It can't even fire a gun! What service does it do? Provide joy rides to the base commander's kids?

And when plane's can fire HOBS CCMs as well as BVRAAMs, drop PGMs? There are several aircraft that have been inducted without guns.

You must be joking. You make a blunder and costs rocket out of hand. Then you hold that escalating cost as some great success?!?

Lol,are you stupid or something ? Indian programs haven't suffered such a catastrophic cost escalation. The $40 billion order book represents the size and diversity of the Indian defense industry.

For example Akash sam have a development expenditure of $150 million, and orders worth $4 billion.

http://m.aviationweek.com/awin/dac-oks-rs-12500-crore-akash-missile-system-indian-army

How about reaching a toilet.

Wrong priorities.


His modus operandi.

It's your modus operandi genius.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You need to know about subsystems for Brahmos ? Cut the rhetoric, I will show you.

And when plane's can fire HOBS CCMs as well as BVRAAMs, drop PGMs? There are several aircraft that have been inducted without guns.



Lol,are you stupid or something ? Indian programs haven't suffered such a catastrophic cost escalation. The $40 billion order book represents the size and diversity of the Indian defense industry.



It's your modus operandi genius.

Yeah..

Just hope you do know that the "indigenous" brahmos components are built under license.

The only "allegedly" indian work on the Brahmins include some "software" upgrades.

And here is a list of "Yakhont" users;

That's all you could come up with ? Pathetic. Design a microlight aircraft in your country before criticizing our defense industry.



The same goes with JF-17, J-10 or SAAB Gripen. The point is we, like the Chinese & the Swedes have designed and developed a fourth generation fighter aircraft.

I would agree with you, I am quite doubtful about the Martin Baker ejection seat, given that the JF 17 which uses the same ejection seat has crashed with loss of pilot.

So what's indias weapons "export" value?

Lol 330 million in 2016.

Pak which allegedly doesn't produce anything..

Crossed the 300 million mark in 2008. Ironic ain't it.

 

[gslv mk3]

Just hope you do know that the "indigenous" brahmos components are built under license.

Only the ramjet technology is licensed. The OEM for Brahmos is Brahmos Aerospace Trivandrum limited.

The only "allegedly" indian work on the Brahmins include some "software" upgrades.

Yep, seekers, launchers etc are now considered as 'software'.

So what's indias weapons "export" value?

Lol 320 million in 2016.

Pak which allegedly doesn't produce anything..

Crossed the 300 million mark in 2008.

No source= BS.

And here is a list of "Yakhont" users;

Yakhont apparently is anti ship missile.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Only the ramjet technology is licensed. The OEM for Brahmos is Brahmos Aerospace Trivandrum limited.

Lol, yeah I'm sure. Although it's produced in tandem with a Russian corporation which has sold the same missile to countries India was offering Brahmos to...
Namely Vietnam,Indonesia etc.

Which made annoyed india;

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread221765/pg1

Yep, seekers, launchers etc are now considered as 'software'.

Yeah.. india developed the launchers.. lol

Indonesian ship firing yakhont

Russian yakhont launcher

Seekers ? Lol
As of December 2016.. still using Russian seekers even for "astra"


http://idrw.org/india-continue-to-rely-on-russian-seekers-for-indigenous-astra-bvraam/

Yakhont apparently is anti ship missile.

"Apparently" even Syria used its yakhont on land attack mode against rebels.

https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/ss-n-26/

Only the ramjet technology is licensed. The OEM for Brahmos is Brahmos Aerospace Trivandrum limited.



Yep, seekers, launchers etc are now considered as 'software'.



No source= BS.



Yakhont apparently is anti ship missile.

Here is the source of 330 million export of india..
http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/the-future-of-indias-defense-exports/



Funny ain't it.

 

[gslv mk3]

Although it's produced in tandem with a Russian corporation which has sold the same missile to countries India was offering Brahmos to...

It is not the same missile doofus.

Yeah.. india developed the launchers.. lol

Again, not the same.

UVLS too is different, developed by L&T.

Seekers ? Lol
As of December 2016.. still using Russian seekers even for "astra"

Seekers are for the ALCM variant. And don't worry, our own seekers will replace the ones on Astra soon.

Here is the source of 330 million export of india..
http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/the-future-of-indias-defense-exports/

And of Pakistan ?

"Apparently" even Syria used its yakhont on land attack mode against rebels.

Bastion-P, developed in 2015.