The Greatest Islamic Empire - Ones that brought Islam to Pakistan Genghis K

[notsuperstitious]

I think the greatest Islamic empire was the Inca Empire, they gave us Anahi Gonzales Daly Barbara.

Of course they were destroyed by the christians, but we will have our revenge

I know I'm delusional but you lot are worse!!!

 

[kalu_miah]

Cengiz is no doubt one of the greatest militaty leaders ever to have lived but trying to gain inspiration from his as a Muslim is not that easy. His struggles as a child, his literally rags to riches story though impressive has many dark sides to it.

Steven R. Ward wrote that "Overall, the Mongol violence and depredations killed up to three-fourths of the population of the Iranian Plateau, possibly 10 to 15 million people. Some historians have estimated that Iran's population did not again reach its pre-Mongol levels until the mid-20th century."

Genghis Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course in warfare people die, but the level of destruction the Mongol armies brought to their conquered people is truly unprescedented. From that point of view it is pretty hard to gain any sort of inspiration from him as a Muslim.

The devastation cannot be denied, although the historic victims probably put more negative spin in it than necessary. I know Kazakhs still lament about the seize of Otrar. But yet Kazakh was essentially a Mongol successor state led by Tore Chingisid Khans (Ak Suyek, white bones, as opposed Kara Suyek, black bones commoner Turkics):
Descent from Genghis Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And of course he is no Muslim hero, he was a shamanist. But Mongols descendant Turko-Mongols were instrumental in the spread of Islam in their domains.

 

[Juice]

How the Mongols came into Islam | My Ummah .co.za



Religion in the Mongol Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Notice, in the list of dominant religions it does not mention islam. As far as having muslims in his empire, the British did too, do you consider them islamic?

 

[500]

I am not glorifying him, rather thanking him for his help in many things to happen in this generation.

For destroying entire staes, mudrering hundreds of thousands of innocent people?

And yes, he did adopt Islam as the state religion of his empire - which was later reversed once the empire fell.

Stop smoking weed. First mongol ruler to adopt Islam was Ilkhanite Ghazan, who was more Persian than Mongol. Grandson of his gandgrandson. Mongols themselves are not Muslims till this day.

 

[Kambojaric]

The devastation cannot be denied, although the historic victims probably put more negative spin in it than necessary. I know Kazakhs still lament about the seize of Otrar. But yet Kazakh was essentially a Mongol successor state led by Tore Chingisid Khans (Ak Suyek, white bones, as opposed Kara Suyek, black bones commoner Turkics):
Descent from Genghis Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And of course he is no Muslim hero, he was a shamanist. But Mongols descendant Turko-Mongols were instrumental in the spread of Islam in their domains.

Yes, the Persian historians probably exagerrated numbers but there is no denying that the Mongol armies were involved in the killings of millions of civilians. Central Asia changed forever following the Mongol invasions. Only pockets of iranic people survived with Tajikistan being the last major remnant.

I agree on the part that the descendents of the Turko-Mongols played a very big role in the spread of Islam following their conversion. As Allama Iqbal said in "jawab e shikwa"

Hai Ayan Yorish-e-Tataar Ke Afsane Se
Pasban Mil Gaye Kaabe Ko Sanam Khane Se

And the world is aware of the stories of the conquests of the Tatars,
Found the Kaba did brave defenders in Idol Worshippers

 

[RayKalm]

For destroying entire staes, mudrering hundreds of thousands of innocent people?

By his contributions to what exists in this present day. Nothing more.

Stop smoking weed. First mongol ruler to adobt Islam was Ilkhanite Ghazan. Grandson of his gandgrandson. Mongols themselves are not Muslims till this day.

The fact that they were able to convert large chunks of people into Islam, makes them an Islamic empire in my book. The British didn't do that.

 

[Kambojaric]

Stop smoking weed. First mongol ruler to adobt Islam was Ilkhanite Ghazan. Grandson of his gandgrandson. Mongols themselves are not Muslims till this day.

No it was Berke Khan, the Khan of the Golden Horde and grandson of Cengiz through Jochi. Ghazan was the great grandson of Hulagu Khan, and so the conversion of the Ilkhanate comes a couple of generation after the Golden Horde.

 

[kalu_miah]

Notice, in the list of dominant religions it does not mention islam. As far as having muslims in his empire, the British did too, do you consider them islamic?

The British did not settle down among local population and accepted their religion and way of life. Mongols and their descendants did that in all their conquered spaces.

Khalkha Mongols of today's Mongolia is a small part of the entire Mongol population that spread in far corners of Eurasia.

 

[Bharthi]

Stupid Genghis khan fanboys.

 

[Juice]

One of his wives was Christian! All hail the mighty Christian mongol empire!

The British did not settle down among local population and accepted their religion and way of life. Mongols and their descendants did that in all their conquered spaces.

Khalkha Mongols of today's Mongolia is a small part of the entire Mongol population that spread in far corners of Eurasia.

Sooo...Mongolia is an Islamic state?

 

[EjazR]

Mongols were not a Islamic empire, infact they did the biggest massacare of Muslims.
Most of the Islamic empires with exception of Ummayad and Ottoman were only legacy of corruption, power struggle and nepotism.

Finally something I will agree with you on

Chengis Khan massacred more Muslims across his career than people of any other religion. Infact Mongols on a whole fought more with Muslim rulers than non-Muslim ones. And he was a follower of a mixture of Buddhism and Shamanism. Something that many Indians probably don't know either. Babur came to India fighting with an alliance of Hindu Rajputs against the Muslim ruler of Delhi Ibrahim Lodhi. Tha Rajputs would continue being a critical and powerful pillar of Mughal rule in India. And also the Mongol empire and the Mughal empire based in India has very little in common except some lineage of the initial rulers.

RayKalm seems to be sufgfering from an inferiority complex and can't understand the difference between History and fantasy. No "ruler" ever made efforts to spread Islam. It was mainly the sufis and the Islamic scholars who had mass contact with the people that resulted in people accepting Islam. Infact the sufis and the Muslim rulers would usually be antagonistic to each other because the rulers would be more interested in wealth and power. Just like any ruler would be.

 

[Tractor]

I'm confused about the realtion of the Mongol empire and the Mughal empire,they were too different almost in any aspects.
Gengis Khan was born in a underdeveloped corner of China,he should not had so magnificent influence across Eurasia,some extra achievements made by other persons even from different races were added to his own glory I think.

 

[EjazR]

I'm confused about the realtion of the Mongol empire and the Mughal empire,they were too different almost in any aspects.
Gengis Khan was born in a underdeveloped corner of China,he should not had so magnificent influence across Eurasia,some extra achievements made by other persons even from different races were added to his own glory I think.

Babur himself was born in modern day Uzbekistan but grew around a culture of Persian-Turkic society. Later generation of Mughals were basically inter married with local Indian royal families particularly the Rajputs. Hence the Indo-Persian influence in their architencture and court.

The alliance with Rajputs wasn't universal though. What with shock people who look history as Hindu-Muslim only is that Babur was invited to invade by Hindu Rajput rulers like Rana Sanga because they wanted to weaken Ibrahim Lodi the then ruler at Delhi.
And while some Rajputs joined Babur, other Rajputs including Muslim Rajputs Kings like Hasan Khan Mewati fought against Babur and died fighting against him. Infact, he was one of the most difficult rulers to defeat for Babur

It was only later that Rana Sanga realised that unlike Ghori and other invaders, Babur intended to settle down in India and make it his home that he turned hostile to him

The muslim King who fought against Babur

 

[500]

By his contributions to what exists in this present day. Nothing more.




The fact that they were able to convert large chunks of people into Islam, makes them an Islamic empire in my book. The British didn't do that.

Amazing logics: you support mass murderer of Muslims because one of his grandgrandgrandsons adopted Islam.

No it was Berke Khan, the Khan of the Golden Horde and grandson of Cengiz through Jochi. Ghazan was the great grandson of Hulagu Khan, and so the conversion of the Ilkhanate comes a couple of generation after the Golden Horde.

Nope. Golden Horde adopted Islam in 1312, Ilhans in 1295.

 

[Tamizhan]

Genghis was not a Muslim. That is a big facepalm for those who propose he was one. He was a Tengriist, a shamanistic religion.

I think having Pakistan or Bangladesh was not good. If there was no partition in 1947, we could have this obnoxious Hindu Nationalism in check from within India, with the force of our democratic vote and ballot box. Now they can point nukes at us and cut off our water and do all kinds of stealth machination on us. Even so, with correct geopolitics we will get over this difficulty in time.

Many in South Asia may disagree, but that is just my personal views about a hypothetical situation.

Ahem...Don't ever think about re-unification.You are forever condemned to insignificance as a Bangladeshi..

And yes, he did adopt Islam as the state religion of his empire - which was later reversed once the empire fell.

No he did NOT. NOT as in NOT.