The Greatest Deception

[Omar Al-Deek]

I thought that the first post of this thread was funny enough but this one takes the prize!

I believe Shaykh Uthaymeen over your exclamation mark.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

How does water get this property to flatten itself out?

Does it not? Its liquid! I have not seen water stick on a football.

 

[Krptonite]

JazakAllahkhair.

Yes, I was amazed when I read about this. I have a two volume of set of fatawaa (translated) from Shaykh Uthaymeen and that was where I read the fatwa. I will provide a link to the fatwa below, insha'Allah.

When I was at the masjid where I attend, I had someone ask the Sheikh for me about this (this other brother had to ask because the Sheikh is from Yemen and speaks Arabic) and the Sheikh said the same thing as Sheikh Uthaymeen.

Here is a quote from the fatwa of Shaykh Uthaymeen (I will put the link below insha'Allah since the full fatwa is a little long and I don't want to take up too much of the page):

Question: Does the Sun revolve around the earth?

It is apparent from the Islamic evidences that they confirm that it is the sun which revolves around the earth, and by its revolving the alternation of night and day takes place on the surface of the earth. It is not for us to exceed the apparent meaning of these evidences without some evidence stronger than that, which permits us to explain them differently from their apparent meaning.

http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=6&Topic=6338

First it was is the earth round, now it's which goes around which, there's like 400+ years of research on this topic, aside from religious texts might I ask you to expand your library with books which explain these phenomena

 

[FalconStar]

One thing I cant get my head around with earth being a nicely rounded sphere is the vast oceans and water. How water stick in a nice "rounded" shape specially in southern hemisphere where it is water property to flatten itself out.

Gravity.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

It's not a nice rounded sphere, it's a lump of rock moulded by years of celestial mass impacts, the closest geometrical figure that it resembles is a sphere. Here's what scientist estimate it to actually look like, an obloidish shape

Seems plausible. but still in this shape, how water stick on the curves? Would a drop of water stay on the curves of a football?

 

[Krptonite]

How does water get this property to flatten itself out?

Surface tension, every fluid (under no external force) tries to maintain the least amount of surface area, i.e sphere, on a flat plate, droplets.

Seems plausible. but still in this shape, how water stick on the curves? Would a drop of water stay on the curves of a football?

It's less of a football and more of a misshapen sphere, this gives rise to height variation, water tends to collect at points with lesser potential energy, given natural paths it will always try to go from a point with higher potential energy to a point with lower P.E. that's why when you pour water it flows downwards because that's where the P.E. is lower.

 

[VCheng]

Does it not? Its liquid! I have not seen water stick on a football.

Have you seen water in zero gravity in space?

Gravity.

Who woulda thunk that?!

Surface tension, every fluid (under no external force) tries to maintain the least amount of surface area, i.e sphere, on a flat plate, droplets.

Yes, and that is why water assumes a spherical shape under zero gravity, but not on planet Earth where gravity exerts a far greater force.

Seems plausible. but still in this shape, how water stick on the curves? Would a drop of water stay on the curves of a football?

Did you ever study Newton's work on gravitation performed a few centuries ago?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Gravity.

I doubt it. You see, you can put water inside a spherical object and make it assume the same shape but you cant put water "outside" and accept the same result.


This is something which really does my head in tbh.

Have you seen water in zero gravity in space?

How does it prove anything ?

 

[VCheng]

How does it prove anything ?

It suggests that the force of gravity may have something to do with the property of water flattening itself out on the surface of the planet by overcoming its surface tension.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

You can personally buy or borrow a strong enough laser to validate whether NASA went to the moon, they left reflective panels there.


Funnily enough the cinematic technology available then, to fake moon landing, wasn't developed at the level it is today, and wouldn't have been able to convincingly fake it.

Humans reaching the moon is one of the most important achievements in our history, the hard work, the ingenuity, the dedication required to perform this feat was immense.


Therein lies the disagreement, science is not best left to scholars and their interpretations, it's the search for truth, debate in of itself is not bad if the goal is to further your knowledge and not " how can I own this fool"

You believe in the moon landing? I think it was pretty clearly fake. I think they had the technology to fake it. I think all they needed was a movie studio, some cameras and some work from Stanley Kubrick.

btw I think it's pretty clear the moon landing was fake and I think David McGowan's series of articles on the subject (written before his sudden and mysterious death) makes it very clear: https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-1/

"Such sentiments made me realize that the Moon landing lie is somewhat unique among the big lies told to the American people in that it was, in the grand scheme of things, a relatively benign lie, and one that could be easily spun. Admitting that the landings were faked would not have nearly the same impact as, say, admitting to mass murdering 3,000 Americans and destroying billions of dollars worth of real estate and then using that crime as a pretext to wage two illegal wars and strip away civil, legal and privacy rights."

As for scholars, I trust scholars way before I trust scientists. The "scientists" say we come from monkeys. There are powerful people funding "science" and I think the scientists say what they're paid to say.

Also, the authority is Quran and Sunnah. God made everything that science is supposed to examine (as well as things science doesn't understand, such as the jinn). God knows the facts as far as science. God made the universe to begin with. God knows way more than the "scientists" (many of whom are atheists!) and if a "scientist" says one thing and Quran and Sunnah say something else we should go with Quran and Sunnah. If a "scientist" tells you Prophet Jesus (PBUH) was God will you believe the Quran or the "scientist"? Of course, many of them are Godless atheists so some may laugh at my example. So- what if the "scientist" says there is no God? The "scientists" are crazy. You question them where everything came from and they'll start rambling about primordial chicken soup (maybe Pakistanis came from primordial biryani). You interrogate them where the primordial curry came from and they'll start with all kinds of gibberish. I don't understand their gibberish and I'm half-asleep as they talk but if their gibberish came with subtitles I'm pretty sure at no point would their gibberish explain how the universe could all come from nothing.

 

[YeBeWarned]

OP might also believe the world is run and control by Lizard people .

 

[KhanBaba2]

The earth is flat. There is no Australia. Shane Warne is British.

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

OP might also believe the world is run and control by Lizard people .

The lizard people may be a metaphor for the Jews.

 

[YeBeWarned]

The lizard people may be a metaphor for the Jews.

Why use a metaphor for Jews ? there are plenty of Jews centered Conspiracy theories , so why not just say JEWS are controlling ? where did those shape shifting Lizard people came in ? and Claims goes to Obama is one of the lizard one and last i checked such people also claim Obama to be Muslim not a Jew ?

 

[Krptonite]

You believe in the moon landing? I think it was pretty clearly fake. I think they had the technology to fake it. I think all they needed was a movie studio, some cameras and some work from Stanley Kubrick.

btw I think it's pretty clear the moon landing was fake and I think David McGowan's series of articles on the subject (written before his sudden and mysterious death) makes it very clear: https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-1/

"Such sentiments made me realize that the Moon landing lie is somewhat unique among the big lies told to the American people in that it was, in the grand scheme of things, a relatively benign lie, and one that could be easily spun. Admitting that the landings were faked would not have nearly the same impact as, say, admitting to mass murdering 3,000 Americans and destroying billions of dollars worth of real estate and then using that crime as a pretext to wage two illegal wars and strip away civil, legal and privacy rights."

As for scholars, I trust scholars way before I trust scientists. The "scientists" say we come from monkeys. There are powerful people funding "science" and I think the scientists say what they're paid to say.

Also, the authority is Quran and Sunnah. God made everything that science is supposed to examine (as well as things science doesn't understand, such as the jinn). God knows the facts as far as science. God made the universe to begin with. God knows way more than the "scientists" (many of whom are atheists!) and if a "scientist" says one thing and Quran and Sunnah say something else we should go with Quran and Sunnah. If a "scientist" tells you Prophet Jesus (PBUH) was God will you believe the Quran or the "scientist"? Of course, many of them are Godless atheists so some may laugh at my example. So- what if the "scientist" says there is no God? The "scientists" are crazy. You question them where everything came from and they'll start rambling about primordial chicken soup (maybe Pakistanis came from primordial biryani). You interrogate them where the primordial curry came from and they'll start with all kinds of gibberish. I don't understand their gibberish and I'm half-asleep as they talk but if their gibberish came with subtitles I'm pretty sure at no point would their gibberish explain how the universe could all come from nothing.

I'll try to explain it in the context you're referring to, the universe that the lord made is no simple thing, it like it's creator is so mind bogingly complex that therein lies it's beauty, these laws, these phenomena speak to a design so intricate, so elaborate, that the act of simply figuring them out provides a glimpse into his majesty, even in the Holy Quran the act of observing his creation and marveling( understanding) at it is considered as worship.

Looking, observing, and attempting to explain how the almighty created us(universe) is actively encouraged by both Hadith, sunnah, and the Holy Quran.