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The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

Seriously, anything from Forbes about China you shall take it with a pinch of salt. l.

They were already on the way down even before being bought by a Chinese company. Now they are simply a front company for Chinese media.
 
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As if they will write anything on neutral. Read the article yourself...

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28380634

'Steve Forbes will remain as chairman and editor-in-chief'

Yes, that Space Cadet sold his father's (Malcolm Forbes) successful company because after he died he couldn't run it himself...or more like he knew how to run it into the ground.
 
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Definitely not true, counter-example would be WW1, WW2.

Also don't believe there was a clear leader of international forces during the Boxer rebellion (though the US was a lesser participant).

Napoleonic wars as well.

You know why Philippe Petain was made Vichy France leader in WW2? You know who the supreme commander of all allied forces are in WW2? You know who the leader on the other side of the allies is I'm sure.

So very true.

The Boxer rebellion is a very weird war, Qing declared war on 11 countries I think. Yet the war isn't fought in Europe but in China. There didn't need to be a leader, though I think if I remember correctly, the Germans were nominally in charge.

Napoleonic, Napoleon, the iron duke was nominally the leader. He was given the marshal baton of all the nations.

Think you need to read history more carefully.
 
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You know why Philippe Petain was made Vichy France leader in WW2? You know who the supreme commander of all allied forces are in WW2? You know who the leader on the other side of the allies is I'm sure.

Are you saying the Soviet Union considered the US the 'leader' of the allies? China considered the US the leader of the allies? It was an alliance of convenience, but there was never a clear decided leader except when it came to certain operations. Soviet forces were never under the command of Eisenhower, neither were Chinese.


Napoleonic, Napoleon, the iron duke was nominally the leader. He was given the marshal baton of all the nations.

Think you need to read history more carefully.

Talking about the alliance against Napoleon.
 
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Are you saying the Soviet Union considered the US the 'leader' of the allies? China considered the US the leader of the allies? It was an alliance of convenience, but there was never a clear decided leader except when it came to certain operations. Soviet forces were never under the command of Eisenhower, neither were Chinese.

Believe me, Chang may not like it, and he may not always follow it, but FDR had some major influence there. I mean the whole Burma campaign, is essentially the Americans pressuring Chiang to do it.

If nothing else, his commander of China theatre is an American designation that he accepted.

As to the Soviets, that's a different thing. It's not really an alliance in the first place, it's more like Hitler pissed off both and both are attack. Like if a third party punches you and me in the mouth and we both fight him, doesn't make us allies, just means we are fighting him at the same time.

Talking about the alliance against Napoleon.
I realize that, hence Iron Duke, you know who he is right. If you read more on him, you would know, he was the supreme commander of all allied forces.
 
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I realize that, hence Iron Duke, you know who he is right. If you read more on him, you would know, he was the supreme commander of all allied forces.

Thought you were referring to Napoleon as the iron duke and marshal baton of all nations, thought that was weird... ok so miscommunication.

Huh apparently Wellesley was given the rank of Field Marshal by all the allied nations, TIL.
 
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Thought you were referring to Napoleon as the iron duke and marshal baton of all nations, thought that was weird... ok so miscommunication.

Huh apparently Wellesley was given the rank of Field Marshal by all the allied nations, TIL.
I can see how it be confusing, but there was only one iron duke during that period.

Anyways, as an American, you guys had it easy, even during your weak periods, you were still head and shoulders above everyone else in the Americas. There was also no historical baggage. at least not much.

The new ruling on the seas for China isn't upheld, because that wasn't the core of the issue. The issue is the balance of power has been disturbed and until it is restore, there can be no solution.

During Qing's Asia, there was more or less peace and stability, because the balance of power was stable. During the 90s and 2000s, it was stable, because the balance of power was more or less stable. However, come 2016, we are almost 3 times the economy of the next challenger, Japan, and our military is growing leaps and bounds.

The balance of power is disturbed.

I mention this because the leader of an alliance thing, you guys today are so powerful, that no one can seriously look at you and not see you as the big brother.

You are like the NBA player that plays on the street, even if he wants to be just part of the game and relax, people are going to pass him the ball.

This is why I don't really go to too much trouble over American interpretation of Asian events, not enough experience in this type of situation.
 
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http://thediplomat.com/2016/07/did-russia-just-ask-china-to-buzz-off-on-the-south-china-sea/

Did Russia Just Ask China to ‘Buzz Off’ on the South China Sea?
The Russian MFA statement after the PCA ruling was not as soft on China as usual.

By Anton Tsvetov
July 16, 2016
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No appeasement. No accommodation. On July 12, the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague smashed China’s expansive nine-dash line claim in the South China Sea, as well as its conduct with regards to the environment and Philippine fishermen, as inconsistent with the Constitution of the Oceans – the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). Beijing is now in damage control mode – disregarding the court’s jurisdiction, denying any compliance with the merits and making a list of international reactions.

On the long list of countries Beijing claims to have support from, Russia is the largest and most influential state. Moscow’s reaction to the court ruling was somewhat delayed and was voiced on July 14. It also came in the form of an answer to a question posed by a Chinese journalist at the weekly press briefing by the foreign ministry’s spokeswoman Maria Zakharova – a clear sign that Russia wishes to distance itself from the disputes and does not regard the South China Sea as a first tier issue.

As usual with the Russian stance, Moscow expressed support for a diplomatic solution to the dispute by the parties involved, called for compliance with international law, including UNCLOS and the 2002 Declaration of Conduct, and an early conclusion of a binding Code of Conduct.

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But there was something else. The Russian MFA spokeswoman explicitly said that Russia does not take sides in the conflict. Though making the case against extra-regional involvement, she did not mention non-claimants that are using the situation for their own geopolitical considerations, the usual euphemism for the United States. Finally, she mentioned UNCLOS not once but twice, supporting the Convention’s role in upholding rule of law in the oceans and stressing the universal nature of the document.

These minor additions made the fresh Russian statement go a little bit beyond the baseline. Emotionally, it looked like a snap of the teeth toward extensive pressure. And pressure there has been. There is no doubt that Beijing has utilized bilateral channels to push Russia toward more support. Just one day before the ruling was announced, the deputy chief of China’s diplomatic mission to Russia visited the Foreign Ministry to discuss “current bilateral and global issues.” Zakharova said that Russia will not be drawn into the disputes and it is rather clear who has been most industrious in trying to do so.

Previously, China has been very liberal with Russia’s position, bending the non-internationalization clause as proof of Russian support. If we take the clause at face value, then it makes perfect sense, as Moscow has been historically against any interventions by extra-regional states into its own neighborhood and other neighborhoods by extension. However, when put into context it sounds too much in harmony with China’s opposition to the internationalization of the South China Sea disputes, by which Beijing means mainly two things – U.S. involvement and international arbitration.

Beijing, as it has done previously, will still count Russia on the list of states that support China in its defiance of any arbitration and this week’s PCA ruling in particular. Moscow is unlikely to make clarifications, let alone take back words or make excuses, to avoid irritating its strategic partner. This means that in this rapidly changing environment, Russia’s big diplomatic success will consist in standing ground and withholding pressure from both sides — even if this neutrality is taken as a lack of support.

Anton Tsvetov is a Southeast Asia researcher with the Russian International Affairs Council (RIAC), a Moscow-based foreign policy think tank. He tweets on Asian affairs and Russian foreign policy at@antsvetov. The views expressed here are the author’s own and do not reflect those of RIAC
 
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Heh @ "Permanent Court of Arbitration smashed China's Nine Dash Line"

Since when do a kangaroo clown show without any affiliation to UN able to judge matters related to a UN treaty?
 
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anyone will be stupid if they think russia will take sides on SCS.it will be China all alone even china knows it.
 
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