The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[ChineseTiger1986]

...absolutely right, setting the Taiwan as the one superhero industrialized Chine - a "lil" (a huuuge one in reality) exxageration. Soviet Union industialized China (Liberated by destruction Kwantung army - basicaly entire Army of Japan, armed, and made communist), hundreds of thousands of chineese students were having education in SU for the above mentioned Industies transfer ... and then yep, . you put it ... 'switch'

...there's "millions" of "Institutes" of studying/modern/whatever Russia exists ... mostly doing just rubbish production and money consumption ... -- the face of "modern Russia" - corrupt and useless elites consuming resources...

USSR did play the key role for China's early industrialization. However, Russia itself was de-industrialized after the collapse of the USSR.

I think if Russia could adopt China's current political/economic model, then Russia will have a chance to be re-industrialized again to become a manufacturing powerhouse.

China needs an ideological high ground to prove that her own ideology is superior to the western counterpart. And with Russia's participation and success, it will greatly bolster China's political/economic model.

Putin is making Russia more authoritarian than ever after the collapse of USSR, so it is quite clearly which side he is leaning.

This article is written by someone that know his/her own trade, but not much outside his/her field. Taiwan looks good in semiconductors, but is actually only good at MARKETING a few commercialized applications of semiconductors. That's it.

China didn't industrialize over one generation. China's real industrialization started in th 50' with the Soviet Union's SYSTEMATIC transfer of a bundle of 100+ entire industries, as part of bargain in the aftermath of the Korean war.

China has many industries that simply doesn't exist in TW. The real impact of process in the article is TW is one of the early birds (and more investments from SEA Chinese ethnic groups) when China switched from the Soviet economic bloc into the Europan/American bloc.

Taiwan did help China to reduce the gap with the West on some degree, but China's industrial foundation was laid down in the early 1950s with the help of the USSR.

China was capable to build the H-bomb and ICBM back in the 1960s, and a lot of so-called 'modern developed countries' aren't capable to achieve this feat yet.

 

[TaiShang]

While I agree with you that China's investments in Russia and current trade levels in Russia will ultimately help the Russians face recent capital flight, I believe there is only so much that China can contribute.

If I may infer, my friend, I guess, there is still a slew of areas China and Russia can further cooperate. Although it is true that both nations (not just China) is not entirely dependent on the other, there is a huge compatibility advantage between the two nations. Russia can provide a much larger market for China than the current bilateral trade level of 90$ billion.

There are areas of high tech and heavy industry (such as space, military, bio-engineering, nuclear) that the two can further cooperate. And this is only the economic aspect.

There is another aspect, as important as economic one, which is geopolitics. I believe this is what really brings the two together： Their threat perception is somewhat aligned. This would be a bad news for me if I were the US president, but, they must have their own calculations.

Afterall, the Chinese are vested in developing the Silk Road Paradigm which will aim to encompass Greater China's Western territory with the rest of Central and Western Asia to the hinterland of Europe and the Near East.

Silk Road, or the entire OBOR paradigm, is not antithetical to Russian interests. Hence the reason for the efforts to align OBOR with Russia's Eurasian Economic Union. The geographical vastness and depth of the two nation enable them to engage in multilateral diplomacy without directly harming each other's interests. If it were China vs. a smaller nation, we would be talking about a power imbalance, but in case of China and Russia, there is more balance than imbalance, I believe.

USSR did play the key role for China's early industrialization. However, Russia itself was de-industrialized after the collapse of the USSR.

I think if Russia could adopt China's current political/economic model, then Russia will have a chance to be re-industrialized again to become a manufacturing powerhouse.

In Putin, I see the hints of China's pragmatism and decisiveness.

 

[TaiShang]

Russian PM Places Wreath at Monument to People's Heroes in Beijing
2015-12-17

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev places a wreath at the Monument to the People's Heroes in Tian'anmen Square, in Beijing, capital of China, Dec. 17, 2015. [Photo: Xinhua]

 

[Martian2]

Russia helped China in the 1950s. However, that has little relevance in modern times.

The Soviet Union helped the Warsaw Pact countries more.

All of the former Warsaw Pact countries became economic and technological basket cases.

Hence, I still think Taiwan is the most important factor in China's recent modernization from 1978-2015.

When people talk about China's Economic Miracle, they are not talking about 1950s China.

They are talking about today's high-tech export powerhouse. One to two million Taiwanese live in China to ensure the smooth functioning of the Chinese hi-tech export machine. 90% of the world's notebook computers are manufactured by Taiwanese companies on mainland China. There are many other examples in the LED, LCD, petrochemicals, machine tools, etc. industries.

In conclusion, Taiwan is the key behind China's Economic Miracle. Otherwise, we would have seen similar economic miracles in Eastern Europe if Russian assistance was the critical factor.

 

[TaiShang]

Russia helped China in the 1950s. However, that has little relevance in modern times.

The Soviet Union helped the Warsaw Pact countries more.

All of the former Warsaw Pact countries became economic and technological basket cases.

Hence, I still think Taiwan is the most important factor in China's recent modernization from 1978-2015.

When people talk about China's Economic Miracle, they are not talking about 1950s China.

They are talking about today's high-tech export powerhouse. One to two million Taiwanese live in China to ensure the smooth functioning of the Chinese hi-tech export machine. 90% of the world's notebook computers are manufactured by Taiwanese companies on mainland China. There are many other examples in the LED, LCD, petrochemicals, machine tools, etc. industries.

In conclusion, Taiwan is the key behind China's Economic Miracle. Otherwise, we would have seen similar economic miracles in Eastern Europe if Russian assistance was the critical factor.

I guess Taiwan has been instrumental in terms of high-tech. Russia (Soviet Union) was perhaps instrumental in terms of heavy industries.

China's efficient and pragmatist policies ensured that the required know-how would be gained, and Taiwan, as Russia was before, has been there especially ever since the large exodus of Taiwanese scientists/entrepreneurs from the US in the 90s.

In that regard, the contributions of both Russia and now Taiwan cannot be denied. They just happened/are happening in differing historical contexts.

 

[Martian2]

I guess Taiwan has been instrumental in terms of high-tech. Russia (Soviet Union) was perhaps instrumental in terms of heavy industries.

China's efficient and pragmatist policies ensured that the required know-how would be gained, and Taiwan, as Russia was before, has been there especially ever since the large exodus of Taiwanese scientists/entrepreneurs from the US.

In that regard, the contributions of both Russia and now Taiwan cannot be denied. They just happened/are happening in differing historical contexts.

Except for the last couple of years, China averaged 10% real economic growth for 30 years.

The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. Beginning in the 2000s, the Russian economy made a huge comeback on the increased price in oil.

Since China has little oil, it did not follow the Russian model.

Thus, which country was responsible for China's transformation? Once again, I suggest it was mostly Taiwan.
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Let's see if I can convince you with a logic-based argument.

A country grows wealthy by selling non-commodity products.

A non-commodity product requires patent protection.

Thus, the number of USPTO patents is a general indicator of the number of patented products that a country can sell on the world market with a high margin. For example, a Taiwanese five-axis CNC machine tool costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. A commodity product like corn is only worth a few dollars per bushel. It would take a warehouse of corn to equal the value of one compact Taiwanese CNC machine tool.

Over the last 38 years, Taiwan has a cumulative portfolio of 150,121 USPTO patents. Russia has 4,473. The Soviet Union had 3,902. Collectively, Russia and the Soviet Union only had 8,375 USPTO patents. Russia (and the Soviet Union) was in no position to help China manufacture and sell high-margin patented products.

Patent Counts By Country, State, and Year - All Patent Types (December 2014)

 

[Shotgunner51]

Shugaev, the Rostec deputy CEO, said Russia is in negotiations with China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp and China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp on the procurement of China-developed spacecraft instruments such as electronic and satellite communications devices.

Good!

The two will also jointly develop and produce aerospace components, see link from IHS Jane's:

China and Russia Sign Aerospace Components Deal

 

[TaiShang]

Good!

The two will also jointly develop and produce aerospace components, see link from IHS Jane's:

China and Russia Sign Aerospace Components Deal

Very nice. If energy is one of the components of deepening China-Russia strategic partnership, military technology is another. The two countries are using their strengths wisely to reinforce the synergy and compatibility/cooperation.

 

[Kyle Sun]

China should perhaps develop ballistic missile defence system together with Russia!
Btw, an unconfirmed news in the Chinese miliatry forum says that T-key has approached Chinese gov on the Dec 15th and asked to buy 2 batterries of HQ-9 for immediate delivery. You could guess what China's reponse would be.

I doubt that .
Turkey will not dare to buy HQ-9 from china when it needs the supports of NATO or USA.

Uncle Sam will be piss off and leave it to the ru.

 

[beijingwalker]

China's booming space program might put the US and Russia to shame

• Kelly Dickerson
• Dec. 16, 2015, 11:55 AM
  

Space exploration for China didn't exactly blast off.

By the time China launched its first satellite, the US had already landed men on the moon — twice. And China didn't send a person into space until 2003, even then by relying heavily on Russian hardware.

But that has all changed. China's space program is booming.

"[T]he Chinese are ... vaulting ahead," writes astronomer Chris Impey wrote in his book "Beyond: Our Future in Space." "Their Long March rocket is original and has quickly eclipsed Russian rockets."

Today the China National Space Administration (CNSA) continues to innovate, channeling national ambition into an aggressive moon exploration program and a brand-new space station.

"Unlike one of the stereotypes that they're just sort of copying our technology, they're actually innovating," Impey recently told NPR's Fresh Air host Terry Gross. "They have very young engineers in their space program — very keen, very well trained, very ambitious."

Keep scrolling to see what China's impressive space agency has been up to lately.

The Chinese National Space Administration is catching up to the world thanks largely to a fleet of "Long March" rockets.

The rockets have powerful engines and thrusters and can carry up to 13 tons into orbit around the Earth.

This means a Long March is capable of carrying satellites, robotic rovers, and even humans into space.

China is continuing to build more and more advanced models of Long March rockets.

For example, it launched the powerful 3C in 2014. The rocket carried an experimental spacecraft that China wants to use for a future lunar mission.

China also builds its own spacecraft, called the Shenzhou. The first mission — Shenzhou-1 — was a test flight without any crew on board.

TO BE CONTINUED..

 

[beijingwalker]

Today the Shenzhou ferries taikonauts (Chinese astronauts) into space.

Shenzhou spacecraft are loosely based on Russia's Soyuz vehicles. They both have three separate modules, but the Chinese version is larger and made with different materials.

Unlike NASA, whose astronauts have to hitch rides into space from Russia, China has the rocket power to launch its own space travelers.

The spacecraft can snugly fit three people.

And as soon as China successfully built the Shenzhou, it didn't waste any time using it to send taikonauts into space.

Taikonaut Wang Yaping trains for a mission inside this spinning machine at the Beijing Aerospace City.

On June 16, 2012, taikonauts Jing Haipeng (right), Liu Wang (center) and Liu Yang (left) were sent off in style from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in Gansu province.

TO BE CONTINUED..

 

[NIA]

Congrats!!! Keep it going.
Asians have talent.

 

[beijingwalker]

They all piled inside a spacecraft atop a Long March 2-F rocket and blasted off from the launch center, beginning the Shenzhou-9 mission — China's second-most-recent crewed spaceflight.

Liu Yang (right) became China's first female taikonaut that day.

The Shenzhou spacecraft are all designed to float about 213 miles above Earth — just a few miles below the International Space Station. Taikonauts usually only spend a few weeks at a time in orbit.

Here, a taikonaut has suited up and ventured into the vacuum of outer space to perform maintenance during the Shenzhou-7 mission.

He even carried a People's Republic of China flag for part of the dangerous task.

All the spacecraft come with a landing pod that looks similar to NASA's Orion spacecraft.

Taikonauts Zhang Xiaoguang (left), Nie Haisheng (center), and Wang Yaping (right) returned to Earth in 2013 in one of these capsules. They had just completed a 15-day mission orbiting Earth as part of the Shenzhou-10 mission.

TO BE CONTINUED..

 

[Khafee]

@beijingwalker Kindly post specifications of the rockets as well.

Thank You for an amazing thread!

 

[beijingwalker]

But China isn't just launching taikonauts into space: It has its sights set on the moon. The space agency's Chang'e-3 probe landed there in December, 2013.

The mission marked the first soft landing of a probe on the moon in almost 40 years.

The probe carried CNSA's 300-pound "Jade Rabbit" rover. The rover is now out of commission, but China still has a working telescope on the moon.

China also has its own space station. It's called Tiangong 1, and it launched in 2011. Here's a model of what it looks like:

The tiny space station (left) is designed to dock with one of the agency's Shenzhou spacecraft (right)

TO BE CONTINUED.



Chinese space exploration is 'vaulting ahead' - Tech Insider