The Great Game Changer: Belt and Road Intiative (BRI; OBOR)

[Providence]

Powerful industry & recent R&D then Japan and Gemany will be the likely candidate than some of the members.The P5 is an outdated one with old world war legacy !

Majority decisions doesn't mean it's correct. Just like in courts. UNSC is a pseudo-exec cum judiciary. That's where buck stops !

 

[Star Wars]

They didn't, agreed.
But the equity of the position in the table has grown over the years because of UN's track record howsoever bad it may be. There's no parallel to it.
I will give you a common analogy. A venture starts with it's share price equal to junk. Over the years because it managed to survive, it grew considerably. Obviously the share price would be premium after 50+ years into operations

UN has failed completely in its job of maintaining peace, especially when the member countries themselves are responsible for starting numerous wars... The Veto system is rather stupid and a rather convenient loophole...

 

[Mr.Nair]

Crying？

Yes，we have made 6 islands out of nowhere。That sure is worth a few ounces of cryings for whom you know。

If you are not crying why can't show your military muscle and warning shots, who is stopping you !

Instead of telling go back go back .....

 

[badguy2000]

Powerful industry & recent R&D then Japan and Gemany will be the likely candidate than some of the members.The P5 is an outdated one with old world war legacy !

1.Japan had once the chance during 1990s,when CHina was not so powerful and Japan had by far might economy.
But now, Japan has no chance,simplly because CHina is against it and CHina has more powerful industry now.

2. Japan and German are weak militarily and can not turn their industry might into military might.

3. EU has two vetos now, it is not reasonable to give another veto to EU. So, German has little chance.


4. a better reform plan of UNSC is to decrease P5 to P4,that is USA, China ,EU and Russia,instead of increaseing vetos.
such a P4 can reflect the new power balance in the world and increase the efficency of UN.
Of course ,it will be vetoed by France and UK....
Thus such a plan is not feasible.

UN has failed completely in its job of maintaining peace, especially when the member countries themselves are responsible for starting numerous wars... The Veto system is rather stupid and a rather convenient loophole...

UN was set up not for maintaining peace,but as a police tools of P5.
P5 are satisfied with it, so it does its job well.

 

[Providence]

1. India supported Vietnam's independence from France, opposed American involvement in the Vietnam War, and supported unification of Vietnam. During the Vietnam War, India supported the North, albeit not by conducting military hostilities against the South. This can be contrasted with the policies of the US, who strongly supported the South and engaged in military conflict with the North, albeit without issuing an official declaration of war.

So? everyone chose sides. Did india's decision had any bearing on the outcome ?

2.1971 war Liberation of Bangladesh

After that several decades of lull.

3. LTTE, Not the best example, but there you go... and it happened. LTTE was also destroyed using help from India

LTTE was killed because they bit back india.

4. India's economic presence and goodwill in Afghanistan has grown considerably ever since 9/11

So did for lots of other countries. And afganisthan's goodwill cannot solve their core issue. militancy or truce.

5. Farkhor Air force base along with Ayni Air force base in Tajakistan is operated by IAF along with Tajakistan Air force

Alongwith russian air-force

6. Sri Lanka freeing considerable amount of Indian fisherman after speaking with the PM directly, it has happened more than once already. Also conspiracy theories by Rajapaksha, former President claiming India was responsible for his election loss.

Okay. A recent phenomena. Need to be sustained.


7. Recently and in the past India has had good enough relations with Myanmar to ask them to fight militants in their territory. Currently we even have the right to cross over to Myanmar and take them down

Okay. Let's see if this policy can be implemented on the other side.

8. Bangladesh: Visit the Bangladesh section for all kinds of conspiracy theories, the new bangla govt. has been for some reason extremely friendly towards India..

Cool. Again a recent development. But hardly adds to any consistent track record.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

India do not need permanent seat. I had already emphasized in earlier threads. Cos in forums we have votes, we "waste" them. We remain neutral or abstain from most of the issues.
Unless India take a major shift in foreign policy, I do not support permanent membership to India. Giving a vote to India, is a vote of waste , right now.
And another thing, if India gets veto, we need to take sides. We wont be able to "please all" or non aligned as we are now.

We should wait for another 15-20 years, make our country a economic powerhouse.

 

[Armstrong]

Like on what ? Give specifics

Where is my spot on the UNSC ?

 

[Providence]

Where is my spot on the UNSC ?

You are invited to my home. We will make southern style bar-b-que

UN has failed completely in its job of maintaining peace, especially when the member countries themselves are responsible for starting numerous wars... The Veto system is rather stupid and a rather convenient loophole...

UNSC failed. So let's just give India a place in it ? Am i the only one missing a lack of argument here ?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If you are not crying why can't show your military muscle and warning shots, who is stopping you !

Well we are building the islands and no one is stopping us?

There were no islands there... Now there are.

What you are thinking of, is India being unable to stop all those "Chinese incursions", instead breaking their own bunkers and stopping troop patrols to their own territory.

Indian troops suspend patrols at Chumar - Times Of India

NEW DELHI: Apart from dismantling a SET of strategically-located bunkers at Chumar as part of an arrangement to end the standoff at Depsang Bulge in eastern Ladakh, the Indian troops seem to have suspended patrols to the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Chumar, at least for now. Senior officials briefed by personnel on the ground said the Army has discontinued the round-the clock patrolling it was undertaking in the area for the last few months.

 

[Armstrong]

You are invited to my home. We will make southern style bar-b-que

Thats a deal !

Can we use @Star Wars as target practice though ?

I've always wanted to know what it feels like to go Wild Wild West on an Indian !

 

[Speeder 2]

Powerful industry & recent R&D then Japan and Gemany will be the likely candidate than some of the members.The P5 is an outdated one with old world war legacy !

it's a combination of industries, R&D & patents, military power, and geopolitical influences on a global scale arising prior to, since, and beyond WW2.

anyway, one of the minimum requirements of entry application forms is in-door plumbing, which stomps India's supa pawa dream, like forever

 

[Shotgunner51]

1.USA doesn't allow CHina to have more votes of IMF and World bank, China just set up AIIB and Silk Road FUND to marginalize WB and IMF.
And now, WB/IMF are more eager to give CHinese more Vetos than China itself ,Otherwise, bouth would be replaced by AIIB/Silk Road FUnd sooner or later and got diabled like "the league of Nation".

2.if India were able to set up a Parallel or alternative of UN ,just as CHina does with WB/IMF, India would be offered a Veto of UN .

Thus, India had better spend its energy and money on developing its economy, instead of wasting money/time appealing Veto of UN now before its might deseves a veto.

The attitude towards Bretton Woods order (or in fact anything like that) is pragmatic, take it or leave it, let's not waste time dragging on for no expected results. Just go ahead and do what needs to be done.

If you cannot beat them, then join them, same in the other way round.

 

[Providence]

Thats a deal !

Can we use @Star Wars as target practice though ?

I've always wanted to know what it feels like to go Wild Wild West on an Indian !

On the contrary, this forum has mellowed me down. I swiftly bring down a fail logic in the argument though.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The UNSC was made to stop another "World War".

Not to stop regular wars and insurgencies, but to stop another "World War".

 

[Star Wars]

After that several decades of lull.

It worked none the less..

LTTE was killed because they bit back india.

Yes, and we killed them along with Sri Lankan army, either way we had a bearing on the outcome

So did for lots of other countries. And afganisthan's goodwill cannot solve their core issue. militancy or truce.

So why are these "lots of other countries" not liked as much by afghans ? NOt to mention the creeping the cultural influence...

Alongwith russian air-force

So what ? fact is that they agreed....

Okay. A recent phenomena. Need to be sustained.

finally....'

Okay. Let's see if this policy can be implemented on the other side.

Don't need to implement it, Pakistan army is fighting the problem themselves thanks to the decades of incompetence..

Cool. Again a recent development. But hardly adds to any consistent track record.

Its consistent enough, we aren't the worlds police enforcing our will on smaller nations. Regional influence is extended through co-operation and mutual understanding which is beneficial to both parties...

Again..BBIN, and SAARC in the coming years will be extremely beneficial for our neighbors...