The Girl from the Swat Flogging-An interview with Saira Bibi

[Xestan]

No doubt about punishment of stoning in sharia of adultery.
But in Sharia law and in Pakistan's law, four witness must require who have seen very closely(sorry can't use exact word here) the act for penalty.
Such four witness are incredible to present in court.

Adding to this, those witnesses' testimony will be accepted who HAVE no criminal record in past, if even once a person had lied and it was proven, in Islam his testimony can't be accepted till Day of Judgment arrives

And one more thing, people also raise this question that Medical reports are not accepted like there was in the cases of Hudood ordinance which was enforced by Zia, well, Sharia'ah also gives the State the permission to upgrade the laws with the passage of time to suite the current situation, this is called Ijtehad, any law which doesn't go against Qur'an and Hadith can be implemented in a Islamic state and that law will have the same importance in Sharia'ah as other laws

So the fault was in Zia's law, not Sharia'ah law, Today, Muslims really lack the real Scholars, I really wish, we could do Ijtehad like Allama Iqbal emphasized and make Pakistan a better place, a modern Islamic state as wished by our forefathers

 

[alibaz]

If she was married, according to Sharia, she would have been stoned. But thanks god it didnt happen.

those ******** were not religious scholars or had knowledge about establishing evidence or awarding Islamic punishments, those terrorists just wanted to impose themselves

 

[CENTCOM]

In a 2007 brokered deal by the KP government and Pakistani Central government, Swat Valley was given under Taliban control. The Taliban leader Sufi Mohammad signed the deal with the government. Did we not see that within a few days of the Taliban take-over that the entire valley was thrown into chaos? Schools were closed and girls were forced to stay home. It is estimated that 173 schools were destroyed and out of that 105 were girl’s schools.
FRONTLINE/World Conflict Zones: Pakistan and Afghanistan Synopsis and Video | PBS
Up to one third of the 1.5 million population of Swat were estimated to have fled the valley because of Taliban atrocities. To prove that they were in total control Taliban would falsely accuse people and then punish them publicly. One such person was Saira Bibi who was falsely accused of adultery and publicly flogged… Here is her story:
The Girl From The Swat Flogging
Pakistan woman recounts ordeal under Taliban - Boston.com
Taliban had created a living hell for the people of Swat valley. Once Swat was a tourist destination for not only foreigners but also for millions of Pakistani who would escape the southern summer heat and spend some time in the cooler valley with its luscious fruit orchards and free flowing rivers and streams. And this part of Pakistan was also famous for its ski resorts, white water rapids, trout fishing and some of Asia’s most beautiful trekking trails. Taliban take-over killed the tourist industry. Hundreds of people were killed and over 70 members of police and civil security forces were beheaded and their bodies thrown on town square. The Ski resort town of Mallam Jabba was burnt to the ground and totally destroyed… Pakistan had to react to protect its people and restore the writ of the government. Pakistan military, after intense fighting recaptured Swat and Taliban were either killed or driven out. Today most refugees have returned to their homes and life in Swat valley is returning to normal. Children who were kidnapped by the Taliban and brainwashed to become suicide bombers are now attending reform school and are being un-traumatized by trained physio-therapists and physiologists. The likes of Saira Bibi are telling their stories about Taliban atrocities… There are hundreds of them. Recently the ski slopes of Mallam Jabba opened once again and the “All Pakistan Ski Championship” was held there last month. Most recently the Pakistani military is handing over security of the area back to the civil administration.
Ski competition brings normalcy back to beautiful Swat | | DAWN.COM
US have encouraged and have been training Pakistani security forces to get rid of the Taliban pockets on its land. We see it can be done, Swat is a prime example. Now the Pakistani military in the interest of its own nation needs to act in places like Waziristan and FATA where Taliban are creating havoc and from where trained suicide bombers are attacking innocent Pakistanis in their cities and towns. The US government and people stand by the government and people of Pakistan in their resolve to rid the country of Taliban and Al-Qaida terror.

CDR. Bill Speaks
DET- US Central Command
U.S. Central Command

 

[Mutee]

To all my brothers here who are saying Taliban are evil I agree with you 100 % but let's talk facts and call a spade a spade the army is evil too and intact a bigger evil it's not a national army it's rented army and currently rented by USA give us dollars and we wud kill our own fellow Muslim brothers I met someone from sararogha and he said pakitan army bombs us daily is that right you tell me ? I condemn what happend to the poor woman but you should also condemn the juvenile acts of our army killing an innocent man or woman for taking dollars is the most disgusting thing they are doing bomb has no eyes it doesn't know who is a terrorist and whose an innocent child kindly be fair in your judgments and yes sheriya law should be imposed in Pakistan I'm all for it EMAN FIRST not Pakistan

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

To all my brothers here who are saying Taliban are evil I agree with you 100 % but let's talk facts and call a spade a spade the army is evil too and intact a bigger evil it's not a national army it's rented army and currently rented by USA give us dollars and we wud kill our own fellow Muslim brothers I met someone from sararogha and he said pakitan army bombs us daily is that right you tell me ? I condemn what happend to the poor woman but you should also condemn the juvenile acts of our army killing an innocent man or woman for taking dollars is the most disgusting thing they are doing bomb has no eyes it doesn't know who is a terrorist and whose an innocent child kindly be fair in your judgments and yes sheriya law should be imposed in Pakistan I'm all for it EMAN FIRST not Pakistan

no offence, but i think you should find another forum to rant on.....

i see flaws in your post and stopped taking it seriously when you claimed that the people with total wanton disregard for human life and property can be juxtaposed or even remotely compared to the Pakistan Army --which is trying to establish peace and the writ of law in the war-affected areas.

you owe an apology to yourself for over-looking that

 

[Mutee]

I never compared Taliban with army I just put fwd 2 povs first is that what Taliban are doing is very wrong second is what army is doing is even worse taking money from USA to bomb our own villages and killing our fellow countrymen u know to kill a single terrorist they bomb the whole area and 100 innocent ppl die as well they are fighting a self imposed war for getting dollars you owe an apology to every innocent victim of this so called wot ok and I never comared the two which u seem to imply it's an army rented by USA and Taliban are just misguided PPL playing in our enemies hands

 

[Rafi]

I never compared Taliban with army I just put fwd 2 povs first is that what Taliban are doing is very wrong second is what army is doing is even worse taking money from USA to bomb our own villages and killing our fellow countrymen u know to kill a single terrorist they bomb the whole area and 100 innocent ppl die as well they are fighting a self imposed war for getting dollars you owe an apology to every innocent victim of this so called wot ok and I never comared the two which u seem to imply it's an army rented by USA and Taliban are just misguided PPL playing in our enemies hands

You sir, are a traitor - nothing more - nothing less - if you have sympathy for the terrorist scum, that are willing to strap bombs on little children - then you are beyond the pall, regarding this army it is also the same army that rescued thousands of flood victims.

I hope you stick to your convictions and if God Forbid you are caught up in a natural or man made disaster, you refuse the Armed Forces help.

 

[Mutee]

You my friend are a disgrace to all mankind and yes if I am ever in that situation I will refuse help from all the American slaves god says in Quran menun nassau Mai yushraho ibtegha merzi tallah !!!!!!! you are the traitor of the worst kind traitor of Islam you support those who kill a Muslim for dollars

 

[Rafi]

You my friend are a disgrace to all mankind and yes if I am ever in that situation I will refuse help from all the American slaves god says in Quran menun nassau Mai yushraho ibtegha merzi tallah !!!!!!! you are the traitor of the worst kind traitor of Islam you support those who kill a Muslim for dollars

Hahahaha you my friend support the murder of innocents, the whipping of women, and suicide bombing - do not quote those holy words of which you have no understanding, your kind was opposed to the creation of Pakistan, and know you claim to be it's thekadar.

Your evil friends bin toilet and dirty ttp are on the wrong side of history, their time is up, they are the khwarij of this age, and friends of the dajjal.

 

[Mutee]

I don't support Taliban kindly read my post I don't support killing of any innocent MUSLIM wether done by Taliban or Army my point is Taliban are doing it because they are evil and army is doing it because they get $$$ in return and brother brother don't discuess religion with me if I start telling you who khargis were and and who they are Now they will ban me from here don't discuess religion and trust me when I talk religion and Islamic history I know what I'm talking about and never was or am against the creation of Pakistan but for me smash and Muslims comes first not $$$$ for which my fellow Muslims are being killed

 

[Mutee]

Emman sorry

 

[SQ8]

So in other words you are okay with the taliban bombing schools?
And.. that we should leave fata.. let the taliban rule them.. in your words.. let evil rule them?

 

[Xestan]

I don't support Taliban kindly read my post I don't support killing of any innocent MUSLIM wether done by Taliban or Army my point is Taliban are doing it because they are evil and army is doing it because they get $$$ in return and brother brother don't discuess religion with me if I start telling you who khargis were and and who they are Now they will ban me from here don't discuess religion and trust me when I talk religion and Islamic history I know what I'm talking about and never was or am against the creation of Pakistan but for me smash and Muslims comes first not $$$$ for which my fellow Muslims are being killed

Specially for you

 

[Muhammad-Bin-Qasim]

So in other words you are okay with the taliban bombing schools?
And.. that we should leave fata.. let the taliban rule them.. in your words.. let evil rule them?

Every move should be carefully calculated... In swat these mad people were killing people left right and centre for no reason so the operation received support even from those who oppose the use of Army in internal conflict... the stance on North Waziristan is much more sensible...

 

[Ahmad]

I don't support Taliban kindly read my post I don't support killing of any innocent MUSLIM wether done by Taliban or Army my point is Taliban are doing it because they are evil and army is doing it because they get $$$ in return and brother brother don't discuess religion with me if I start telling you who khargis were and and who they are Now they will ban me from here don't discuess religion and trust me when I talk religion and Islamic history I know what I'm talking about and never was or am against the creation of Pakistan but for me smash and Muslims comes first not $$$$ for which my fellow Muslims are being killed

Lets cut it short, wha is your suggestions?