The Future of Kashmir? "Seven" Possible Solutions!

[ejaz007]

Army deployed in Srinagar as violence spirals

NEW DELHI: Indian Army contingents moved into the streets of Srinagar on Wednesday, as New Delhi insisted they had been called for “deterrent” purposes and only to reduce tensions. Authorities in Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) also launched a major crackdown on pro-freedom leaders and activists across the state. Reports from Srinagar said 17 columns of the Srinagar-based 15 Corps had been deployed in the city alone. Soldiers in armoured and machine gun-mounted vehicles drove through various localities in Srinagar. Union Home Secretary GK Pillai and the director general of Military Operations (DGMO) rushed to Srinagar on Wednesday morning to conduct meetings with officials and army commanders. After the troubled incidents of Tuesday, the state government had requisitioned the army to help police and paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) troops in enforcing curfew in the city. However, official sources assured that the army would not be used for crowd control in Srinagar, where the situation was described as “tense but under control”. Despite the army’s presence, curfew was defied at several places, including Baramulla, Sopore, Pattan, Chadoora, Machua and Anantnag. iftikhar gilani

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[ejaz007]

Pak TV channels banned in IHK

ISLAMABAD: In Indian-held Kashmir, authorities have banned the beaming of Pakistani channels in north Kashmir and directed the cable operators in Baramulla and Sopore to block five Pakistani news channels and a religious channel with immediate effect. According to a report by the Kashmir Media Service, Bobby Singh who runs the cable operation in north Kashmir said that the Baramulla district magistrate directed cable operators on Friday evening to stop beaming the Pakistani state-run TV channel, and four private TV channels. “The authorities have also directed us to block a Pakistani religious channel,” he added. “The authorities have given no reason for banning the Pakistani channels,” he added. Baramulla Deputy Commissioner Bashir Ahmed Butt confirmed imposition of the ban. app

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[Ammyy]

Pak TV channels banned in IHK

ISLAMABAD: In Indian-held Kashmir, authorities have banned the beaming of Pakistani channels in north Kashmir and directed the cable operators in Baramulla and Sopore to block five Pakistani news channels and a religious channel with immediate effect. According to a report by the Kashmir Media Service, Bobby Singh who runs the cable operation in north Kashmir said that the Baramulla district magistrate directed cable operators on Friday evening to stop beaming the Pakistani state-run TV channel, and four private TV channels. “The authorities have also directed us to block a Pakistani religious channel,” he added. “The authorities have given no reason for banning the Pakistani channels,” he added. Baramulla Deputy Commissioner Bashir Ahmed Butt confirmed imposition of the ban. app

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So what .......... India channels allowed in Pak occupied Kashmir ?????

 

[Hulk]

Pak TV channels banned in IHK

ISLAMABAD: In Indian-held Kashmir, authorities have banned the beaming of Pakistani channels in north Kashmir and directed the cable operators in Baramulla and Sopore to block five Pakistani news channels and a religious channel with immediate effect. According to a report by the Kashmir Media Service, Bobby Singh who runs the cable operation in north Kashmir said that the Baramulla district magistrate directed cable operators on Friday evening to stop beaming the Pakistani state-run TV channel, and four private TV channels. “The authorities have also directed us to block a Pakistani religious channel,” he added. “The authorities have given no reason for banning the Pakistani channels,” he added. Baramulla Deputy Commissioner Bashir Ahmed Butt confirmed imposition of the ban. app

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100% right decision, we know the Pak channels try to flare up incidences in Kashmir and give wrong info.

 

[Old School]

Pak TV channels banned in IHK

What is banned ? Watching or broadcasting ? Of course it is more difficult to ban watching a channel in India because the law does not permit it.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

good, they are showing their massive insecurity. Glad they did it, wont change any realities on the ground...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Azad Pakistan's Solution

United Nation Takes charge in Indian Administered Kashmir for 10 years , and after 50 years , they will hold elections in region.

a) United Nation Commision will Release yearly reports
b) Both Pakistan & India will donate $$ for Welfare of Kashmiri people

The 50 year will ensure that it will not hurt sentiments of Indian or Paksitani if Indian Administered region decides to go with India or Pakistan.

Mean while - Both Pakistani & Indian Tourists can visit and enjoy beauti of Kashmir

I am thinking some where along the lines of Hong Kong Hand over.

British peacefully returned it to China it should be ideal model.

Kashmiri poeple choosing Pakistan , is that sense of Betrayal ?
No its something that should have been done 60 years ago , now its understandable Indians have sentimental attachment to Kashmir.

The ...answer lies in them - what that would have done not what the current leaders tall you over load speakers and incite public for getting votes

Why ?

a) Because our leaders died so quickly the ones that gave
independence to Pakistan/India


I personally blame the , extreme political leaders in India to not listen to Ghandi's direction toward normalizing ties with Pakistan instead they opted to kill him so that will be a what could have been moment

Whats in it for India :
Lower defence budgets more focus on its people , and economy and normal ties with China

What in it for Pakistan:
Territorial dispute solved , no need for confusion more trade with India etc , Gas pipe line , Food trade sports trade etc


Other side of not doing anything ...
Nuclear weapons on Himalayas , and all the rivers will get radioactive
and pollute all regions of what we call as our homes

 

[owcc]

Azad Pakistan's Solution

United Nation Takes charge in Indian Administered Kashmir for 10 years , and after 50 years , they will hold elections in region.

a) United Nation Commision will Release yearly reports
b) Both Pakistan & India will donate $$ for Welfare of Kashmiri people

The 50 year will ensure that it will not hurt sentiments of Indian or Paksitani if Indian Administered region decides to go with India or Pakistan.



Mean while - Both Pakistani & Indian Tourists can visit and enjoy beauti of Kashmir

I am thinking some where along the lines of Hong Kong Hand over.

British peacefully returned it to China it should be ideal model.

Kashmiri poeple choosing Pakistan , is that sense of Betrayal ?
No its something that should have been done 60 years ago , now its understandable Indians have sentimental attachment to Kashmir.

The ...answer lies in them - what that would have done not what the current leaders tall you over load speakers and incite public for getting votes

Why ?

a) Because our leaders died so quickly the ones that gave
independence to Pakistan/India


I personally blame the , extreme political leaders in India to not listen to Ghandi's direction toward normalizing ties with Pakistan instead they opted to kill him so that will be a what could have been moment

Whats in it for India :
Lower defence budgets more focus on its people , and economy and normal ties with China

What in it for Pakistan:
Territorial dispute solved , no need for confusion more trade with India etc , Gas pipe line , Food trade sports trade etc


Other side of not doing anything ...
Nuclear weapons on Himalayas , and all the rivers will get radioactive
and pollute all regions of what we call as our homes

Lets just be clear,I may sound very colonial but its the truth so no point fighting over it,even if the majority of Kashmir decides to be with pakistan India wont leave it no matter what.This statement which I have made is not based on my EMOTIONS rather its purely made from the ground reality which we all know

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Azad-Pakistan --


very interesting post, in fact one of the more intelligent ones I have read in a while, amidst all the dust and smoke

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Here is mind set of on of the Pro Hindu Ideologies during Ghandhi's time , if him/ his mindset people could kill their own leader what chance we have to convince that mentality to change?

The problem has always been that people never took Gandhi's view on Pakistan and view of mutal Peace with that of M.Ali Jinah

"At the Gandhi murder trial; Savarkar seated in the back.Savarkar had become one of the fiercest critics of Gandhi, and attacked him and the Congress leadership for acquiescing to the partition of India. During the intense communal violence, Hindu Mahasabha activists were allegedly responsible for carrying out attacks on Muslim civilians. Savarkar blamed Gandhi for weakening Hindu society in face of Muslim separatism, and for agreeing to divide the Hindu homeland. The anger of some Hindu refugees from Pakistan provoked fears of assassination attempts on Gandhi's life. Gandhi's fast unto death in January 1948, demanding immediate communal peace and allegedly the payment of outstanding shares of the treasury to Pakistan"

The problem has always been senitimental attachment to something ...which was clearly belonging to another nation.

And if Ghandi was even killed by fundamentalist (who believed that it was fundamental right of hindus to own both Pakistan/India) is the main issue here ...


I think the solution has to be ... humane , we know India has great love for Kashmir and so does pakistan and a UN regulated Kashmir and then handover in 50 years is only solution the 50 years will help bring in a new generation that would have lived togther in peace and they might not have the negative feeling due to media

Britain's hand over of Hong Kong is ideal example of how it shoudl be done

I think we need to have open borders - after UN takes charge in Kashmir provided no none sense like Mumbai attack happens


Do these two leaders look like they wanted eternal war ??? I don't think so look how happy they both were

Its shameful , that the uneducated thugs that ran the gov afterwords ruined it for both countries over past 60 years ....and they use the words India / Pakistan to rack in votes and incite hate to win elections - this was not suppose to be like that ... sadly but we stand in tough spot

Becasue we sorta understand the family system and core values which are somewhat similar when it comes to families the issue is simple...

Two brothers , and 1 scooter in home and both brothers are not eager to share it
The father left the scooter for younger brother thinking that he had a licence and the older brother would be understanding. But the older brother took it as a rejection and instead kept the scooter in his personal garage. And they even fought over it several times.

But the problem has escalated becasue , someone in their village armed them both with poisonous arrows, and they are constantly told by ppl their security and life is in danger.

They somtimes wonder , the good times when they were young and ate together or played in yard but they don't know how to fix this problem. They ocassionally cross paths but ... feeling awkward they quietly keep moving.

Becasue they are both alwas fighting , someone from outside (Politicians) comes and makes profit on their farm lands .... so they keep spreading more rumors of hate and lies - politicians now tell them if they back off they will be laughing stock of whole world and every one will make fun of them and laugh ...so they are both confused

Sometimes when their children now intermingle they privately inquire or ask about the other brother indirect way to know they are doing well... but they don't have the courage to face each other ... instead they find it hard to face each other and realize how much time they both wasted over the issue....

 

[owcc]

Here is mind set of on of the Pro Hindu Ideologies during Ghandhi's time , if him/ his mindset people could kill their own leader what chance we have to convince that mentality to change?

"At the Gandhi murder trial; Savarkar seated in the back.Savarkar had become one of the fiercest critics of Gandhi, and attacked him and the Congress leadership for acquiescing to the partition of India. During the intense communal violence, Hindu Mahasabha activists were allegedly responsible for carrying out attacks on Muslim civilians. Savarkar blamed Gandhi for weakening Hindu society in face of Muslim separatism, and for agreeing to divide the Hindu homeland. The anger of some Hindu refugees from Pakistan provoked fears of assassination attempts on Gandhi's life. Gandhi's fast unto death in January 1948, demanding immediate communal peace and allegedly the payment of outstanding shares of the treasury to Pakistan"

The problem has always been senitimental attachment to something ...which was clearly belonging to another nation.

And if Ghandi was even killed by fundamentalist (who believed that it was fundamental right of hindus to own both Pakistan/India) is the main issue here ...


I think the solution has to be ... humane , we know India has great love for Kashmir and so does pakistan and a UN regulated Kashmir and then handover in 50 years is only solution the 50 years will help bring in a new generation that would have lived togther in peace and they might not have the negative feeling due to media

Britain's hand over of Hong Kong is ideal example of how it shoudl be done

One thing which i fail to understand about Pakistan in general is the amount of national fever generated in the name of Kashmir.Here in India it is considered by people just as another state and probably as a place where a war might occur.In the last 60 years if you could concentrate on your internal issues and strengthen your countrys civil fabric today you would have probably been an important part of the Asian uprising in the world

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

One thing which i fail to understand about Pakistan in general is the amount of national fever generated in the name of Kashmir

because, we love Pakistan and Kashmir is rightfully ours.

but looking beyond plain powder-form nationalism --- look beyond it and realize that most Pakistanis would most likely be in favour of a UN-mandated plebicite whereby Kashmiris would exercise their inalienable right to self-determination

it is so much to ask for? Why is hindustan so scared of it?

Here in India it is considered by people just as another state and probably as a place where a war might occur.

its a disputed territory, but let the people think that if that's what they want....

if it really is an ''integral part of india'' then, BOY!!!! You really don't know how to treat ''your'' civilians exercising their right to protest

save the heavy-handedness for the naxalites, that's where your forces should be 100% focusing

In the last 60 years if you could concentrate on your internal issues and strengthen your countrys civil fabric today you would have probably been an important part of the Asian uprising in the world

we were one of the fastest growing WORLD economies just a few years back, and our position on Kashmir was the exact same; therefore I see little merit in what you said

civil fabric is fine, and a lot of people (myself included) are optimistic that there is something good that will come out of this difficult period we are undergoing. At such young age, Pakistan is already learning lessons that other nations took decades, centuries to learn.

It all goes down to leadership and connection with the masses. Current administration is not doing that for whatever reason.


as for our position on Kashmir, we havent moved in inch. And dont expect us ever to. Kashmir issue is indeed ingrained in the hearts and minds of every single Pakistani man, woman, child, and even the wildlife and insects.

 

[toxic_pus]

Azad Pakistan's Solution

United Nation Takes charge in Indian Administered Kashmir for 10 years , and after 50 years , they will hold elections in region.

a) United Nation Commision will Release yearly reports
b) Both Pakistan & India will donate $$ for Welfare of Kashmiri people

The 50 year will ensure that it will not hurt sentiments of Indian or Paksitani if Indian Administered region decides to go with India or Pakistan.

Mean while - Both Pakistani & Indian Tourists can visit and enjoy beauti of Kashmir

I am thinking some where along the lines of Hong Kong Hand over.

British peacefully returned it to China it should be ideal model.

Kashmiri poeple choosing Pakistan , is that sense of Betrayal ?
No its something that should have been done 60 years ago , now its understandable Indians have sentimental attachment to Kashmir.

The ...answer lies in them - what that would have done not what the current leaders tall you over load speakers and incite public for getting votes

Why ?

a) Because our leaders died so quickly the ones that gave
independence to Pakistan/India


I personally blame the , extreme political leaders in India to not listen to Ghandi's direction toward normalizing ties with Pakistan instead they opted to kill him so that will be a what could have been moment

Whats in it for India :
Lower defence budgets more focus on its people , and economy and normal ties with China

What in it for Pakistan:
Territorial dispute solved , no need for confusion more trade with India etc , Gas pipe line , Food trade sports trade etc


Other side of not doing anything ...
Nuclear weapons on Himalayas , and all the rivers will get radioactive
and pollute all regions of what we call as our homes

Is there any chance that you are going to explain why, in your grand scheme of things, the UN shouldn't 'take charge' in the P0K ?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Cuz there are no riots and curfiews in pakistan side seem like ppl are satisfied on that side

 

[ejaz007]

Held Kashmir shuts down as ‘Martyrs Day’ marked

SRINAGAR: Shops and businesses in Indian-held Kashmir closed on Tuesday as the All-Parties Hurriyat Conference continued a strike and organised protests on an annual holiday marking the execution of 21 Kashmiris to quell an uprising in 1931. Thousands of Indian armed forces erected more checkpoints and laid razor wire on roads in Srinagar and were enforcing curfew-like restrictions to prevent rallies. Restrictions were also enforced in other areas as shops, businesses and public transportation shut down for the third day of a strike. Kashmiris observe July 13 as the Martyrs Day and all political parties, including the Hurriyat Conference, commemorate the day when the former monarch of the state ordered execution of 21 Kashmiris to put down an uprising. The state government usually observes a holiday. Hurriyat Chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq said this was the day to reiterate commitment to the cause of freedom and independence. ap

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