The future of bilateral Iran-Israel relations

[Abii]

Iran and Israel will one day become allies again. You can count on it.

Israel and Germany are friends again and the Germans killed millions of Jews. Our relationship with the Jews began with Cyrus freeing the Jews from the Babylonian Captivity.

Any Iranian with half a functioning brain knows who the friend is and who the enemy is. Between the arabs that invaded and forced their religion (and have continued their animosity for 1400 years since) and the Jews who have never harmed a single IRanian, it's obvious who I support. Millions of liberal Iranians are right there behind me in this regard.

The zionist hater Iranians, some of which you can see on this forum (like Era), are actually not zionist haters. Their problem is that they've grown up in a system in which they have ZERO right to change anything and where they have ZERO say in anything that happens. Basically since the day they were born everything was dictated to them. The grew up in a school system that told them zionists are bad and arabs are good. I know this b/c I also went to the same schools. So now that they're adults they force themselves to believe in this nonsense in order to keep their sanity. If I was living in Iran I would most likely become like them. A man will literally go insane if he's forced to live in a country where everything he believes in is illegal. In the end he tries to accept his reality, shut up and he might even become a false believe in order to keep going.

Once Iran becomes free they will all change sides in a matter of seconds, you can count on it.

 

[Kaniska]

Which violence?

I am sorry it was a typo mistake....Violent means through supporting Hezbolla and Hamas to liberate Palestine from Israel....( Again I am not trying to discuss whether Iran is right or wrong in supporting Palestine cause)

 

[RaptorAlpha]

You won't believe how much ordinary iranians love israel , i'm not one of them , but it's only because it's a taboo here like many other things ; so all in all if democracy comes to iran it only takes a decade at best for the jew hype to fade away imo

 

[RaptorAlpha]

Iran and Israel will one day become allies again. You can count on it.

Israel and Germany are friends again and the Germans killed millions of Jews. Our relationship with the Jews began with Cyrus freeing the Jews from the Babylonian Captivity.

Any Iranian with half a functioning brain knows who the friend is and who the enemy is. Between the arabs that invaded and forced their religion (and have continued their animosity for 1400 years since) and the Jews who have never harmed a single IRanian, it's obvious who I support. Millions of liberal Iranians are right there behind me in this regard.

The zionist hater Iranians, some of which you can see on this forum (like Era), are actually not zionist haters. Their problem is that they've grown up in a system in which they have ZERO right to change anything and where they have ZERO say in anything that happens. Basically since the day they were born everything was dictated to them. The grew up in a school system that told them zionists are bad and arabs are good. I know this b/c I also went to the same schools. So now that they're adults they force themselves to believe in this nonsense in order to keep their sanity. If I was living in Iran I would most likely become like them. A man will literally go insane if he's forced to live in a country where everything he believes in is illegal. In the end he tries to accept his reality, shut up and he might even become a false believe in order to keep going.

Once Iran becomes free they will all change sides in a matter of seconds, you can count on it.

Cyrus , if cyrus , freed jews from babylon to please the babylonians , for whom jews were constant trouble and to force statehood on jews , the same thing that the british did to them to rid europe of jews

 

[jandk]

i love israel

 

[Abii]

Cyrus , if cyrus , freed jews from babylon to please the babylonians , for whom jews were constant trouble and to force statehood on jews , the same thing that the british did to them to rid europe of jews

I don't know what you're talking about and I don't care.

The point was that Israelis never touched a single Iranian soul till we broke off our relations with them in 79. Even after we've harmed them more than they've harmed us. On the other hand arabs have caused massive harm on the Iranian nation. Genocides, mass conversions... Today the mullahs worship them and they still treat Iran as the enemy.

I would have to be utterly devoid of logic and common sense to hate the zionists, let alone consider them my enemy (for that I would have to be either bat **** crazy or a wahabi loving backward muslim extremist).


As I said, most of the Iroonis that hate the zionists only do so in order to keep their sanity. We can't do anything about our situation, the world thinks we're a bunch of Jew hating extremists and we live in a dictatorship that doesn't give two stinking farts about anybody's opinion. If a person in that society doesn't learn to adapt, he/she will eventually either go insane or would end up in some prison. The end result is people like Era, perfectly sensible dudes, seemingly educated, nationalists etc... but zionist haters. Why? B/c that's his reality. What can he do? Go and petition the Iranian govt to stop this idiocy or get signatures for his petition or...? He can't do jack. So instead of worrying himself to death he just says fuk it and learns to hate the zionists instead. It's easy for him to do so btw b/c since the day you step in an IR school, they teach you that arabs=good, zionists=bad. By the time you become an adult, it's not so hard to hate if that's what you choose to do.

 

[Serpentine]

You won't believe how much ordinary iranians love israel , i'm not one of them , but it's only because it's a taboo here like many other things ; so all in all if democracy comes to iran it only takes a decade at best for the jew hype to fade away imo

Are you really living in Iran?Because almost all the people I met have no love for Israel,if not hate it,I have many liberal anti-government friends,they may like U.S,but about Israel,it's whether a dislikeness or neutrality.

 

[RaptorAlpha]

Are you really living in Iran?Because almost all the people I met have no love for Israel,if not hate it,I have many liberal anti-government friends,they may like U.S,but about Israel,it's whether a dislikeness or neutrality.

I live in iran , and i believe israel is an object of interest in iran simply because it's a taboo ; take a look at the iranian weblogs for example where they post pictures of female israeli soldiers and then everyone starts to praise them in the comment section...

 

[RaptorAlpha]

I don't know what you're talking about and I don't care.

The point was that Israelis never touched a single Iranian soul till we broke off our relations with them in 79. Even after we've harmed them more than they've harmed us. On the other hand arabs have caused massive harm on the Iranian nation. Genocides, mass conversions... Today the mullahs worship them and they still treat Iran as the enemy.

I would have to be utterly devoid of logic and common sense to hate the zionists, let alone consider them my enemy (for that I would have to be either bat **** crazy or a wahabi loving backward muslim extremist).


As I said, most of the Iroonis that hate the zionists only do so in order to keep their sanity. We can't do anything about our situation, the world thinks we're a bunch of Jew hating extremists and we live in a dictatorship that doesn't give two stinking farts about anybody's opinion. If a person in that society doesn't learn to adapt, he/she will eventually either go insane or would end up in some prison. The end result is people like Era, perfectly sensible dudes, seemingly educated, nationalists etc... but zionist haters. Why? B/c that's his reality. What can he do? Go and petition the Iranian govt to stop this idiocy or get signatures for his petition or...? He can't do jack. So instead of worrying himself to death he just says fuk it and learns to hate the zionists instead. It's easy for him to do so btw b/c since the day you step in an IR school, they teach you that arabs=good, zionists=bad. By the time you become an adult, it's not so hard to hate if that's what you choose to do.

well i see you have your own set of beliefs , i'm not here to change them , i personally as a citizen of iran think jews are more of a threat to iran than arabs ; you obviously are getting along well with the jews in canada , i hope it remains that way , but hell if one day they don't like you then you pretty much get my point overnight , peace bro

 

[Abii]

well i see you have your own set of beliefs , i'm not here to change them , i personally as a citizen of iran think jews are more of a threat to iran than arabs ; you obviously are getting along well with the jews in canada , i hope it remains that way , but hell if one day they don't like you then you pretty much get my point overnight , peace bro

Do tell us why you believe in the things you believe. Right now you just sound like a paranoid nutter. I said they never touched a single Iranian soul prior to 79 when WE broke off relations and all you said was "you have your own set of beliefs."

I don't believe in anything here. I'm just stating facts. It's a FACT that we broke off relations. It's a FACT that we had a healthy relation with them. It's a FACT that Jews and Iranians have never had a problem with each other historically. What is happening today was our own fault and the ball is in our court still. We can change the status quo and go back to having peaceful relations with North America, South America, Central America, Europe, All of Asia and yes, even Israel.


"my point"

what is your point? You never talked about anything. You just said you see them as a threat.

 

[RaptorAlpha]

Do tell us why you believe in the things you believe. Right now you just sound like a paranoid nutter. I said they never touched a single Iranian soul prior to 79 when WE broke off relations and all you said was "you have your own set of beliefs."

I don't believe in anything here. I'm just stating facts. It's a FACT that we broke off relations. It's a FACT that we had a healthy relation with them. It's a FACT that Jews and Iranians have never had a problem with each other historically. What is happening today was our own fault and the ball is in our court still. We can change the status quo and go back to having peaceful relations with North America, South America, Central America, Europe, All of Asia and yes, even Israel.


"my point"

what is your point? You never talked about anything. You just said you see them as a threat.

Man , i still get black mailed by jews and israelis on the i***otherforum.net for posting a couple of pictures of female israeli soldiers like 7 years ago , how do you think we can form "healthy" relations with such "people" ? you said they haven't touched iranian soil for 3000 years , whose soil have they ever touched like that ? not even the palestinians , they haven't managed to , they just go around corrupt and leave a mess behind on their way to zion. I personally wish democracy comes to iran so people like you see for yourself how fast resentment towards jews and north americans build up in iran , just like during shah.

 

[Surenas]

Man , i still get black mailed by jews and israelis on the i***otherforum.net for posting a couple of pictures of female israeli soldiers like 7 years ago , how do you think we can form "healthy" relations with such "people" ? you said they haven't touched iranian soil for 3000 years , whose soil have they ever touched like that ? not even the palestinians , they haven't managed to , they just go around corrupt and leave a mess behind on their way to zion. I personally wish democracy comes to iran so people like you see for yourself how fast resentment towards jews and north americans build up in iran , just like during shah.

Yeah right. You have nothing but posted false historical nonsense and backward pseudo conspiracy theories. Forget about Iranians becoming the same people in the Shah era. Iranians have natural love for the US.

 

[Kaniska]

Do tell us why you believe in the things you believe. Right now you just sound like a paranoid nutter. I said they never touched a single Iranian soul prior to 79 when WE broke off relations and all you said was "you have your own set of beliefs."

I don't believe in anything here. I'm just stating facts. It's a FACT that we broke off relations. It's a FACT that we had a healthy relation with them. It's a FACT that Jews and Iranians have never had a problem with each other historically. What is happening today was our own fault and the ball is in our court still. We can change the status quo and go back to having peaceful relations with North America, South America, Central America, Europe, All of Asia and yes, even Israel.


"my point"

what is your point? You never talked about anything. You just said you see them as a threat.

I agree with most part of your comment....Forget about going to west..Just simply go through the posts in PDF only and you will get surprised that it is the so called GCC nations who are just more eagerly waiting for Israel to attack Iran than the nation Israel itself...One thing for sure...the concept of Islamic brotherhood is exploited to its maximum extent to gain each nations own objective...And Iran does not understand it...It will simply fall pray to the emotions....

It is so simple to understand but i donot understand why it is so difficult for Iran and its people...Iran is fighting for Palestine and its taking so much of pain of being sanctioned by the west and host of nations since decades....Why donot the sane people of your nation ask your GOV..that if Iran is fighting with Israel and US for an Islamic cause while only kid and people of Iran has to pay the price of it? Why not entire Islamic nation should be part of it...Why only Iran is treated and presented as evil man of middle east while so many Islamic nations are ready to provide their bases in case Iran is attacked....These are the basic common questions that every Iranian should ask themselves...Why GCC nations are worried about Iran getting nuclear bomb???
If Iran is fighting for an Islamic cause then GCC nations should be aligned with you rather than competing with you....
That is why i always feel that either Iran is using Palestine as an excuse to exert its own influence or Iran simply does not know who is his enemy.....

 

[Gold Eagle]

Where are those Israelis? I don't see them on the Forum these days.
Perhaps they are hiding in the bunkers. Must be a stressful situation for them!!

 

[RaptorAlpha]

Yeah right. You have nothing but posted false historical nonsense and backward pseudo conspiracy theories. Forget about Iranians becoming the same people in the Shah era. Iranians have natural love for the US.

These days they're in love with israel more than the US , US was popular in the 90s , israel is the new hot thing , of course the current gaza war will help change things...