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The food bridge India built with Kim's Korea

Per capita income of N koreans is $1800... still higher than indias or Pakistans.

Statistics Sucks, Ground condition is DPRK people are not good condition.

Had it been Pakistan helping NK, we would have been branded communists, terrorists, helping the bad guy kind of people.
The hypocrisy!

These are humanitarian help thru UN. Hope you remember India sending relief material to Pakistan during flood. No one will raise objection, unless fissile material shipped thru illegal mode..

China backed DPKR is in tatters, US backed ROK is the second most developed country of Asia. I hope other "allies" of China learn from this example.

Countries should learn from it.


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Food aid never helped long term, otherwise many African countries would be well developed with the shiploads of food they got from the EU and the US. It's the inhuman trade embargo that cripples economy.

Agree, Food aid need not to be forever, but if some country face drought for 3-4 years its needed to keep people alive. People can grow the crops in other season, provided they are alive.

Africa is different all together, African dictators control UN food, they use hunger as their weapon.
 
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The US does not give food aid to NK as far as I know. They gave a proposal that in return that NK abandoned it's nuke program, they would give aid, and a decision for DPKR was expected around right now, but now with the death of Kim Jong Il, it has again gone into jeopardy. But now it is being changed, negotiations are being held.

Pakistan tried to contact the Taliban, but was blamed for playing adouble game. Anyway, let's not get the thread about the greatness of India off topic.

US has given food aid to North Korea in the past.

U.S. Wheat Begins New Aid to N. Korea

TOKYO, June 30 -- A U.S. ship bearing 37,000 tons of wheat has arrived in North Korea, officials said Monday, the first installment in what is scheduled to be a major expansion of international food aid in the closed totalitarian country.

North Korea is a member state of the United Nations. Taliban is an outlaw stateless militia. Apples and oranges.
 
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Yeah no one outside China buys that.

China backed DPKR is in tatters, US backed ROK is the second most developed country of Asia. I hope other "allies" of China learn from this example.

You cant help someone who dont want to be helped.

US has backed Iraq and Iran in various stages. I hope other "allies" of US learn from this example.
 
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Had it been Pakistan helping NK, we would have been branded communists, terrorists, helping the bad guy kind of people.

The hypocrisy!

enlighten us where you have given aid through the auspices of the UN and have been criticized for it?
 
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You cant help someone who dont want to be helped.

US has backed Iraq and Iran in various stages. I hope other "allies" of US learn from this example.

Lot of US allies have done exceedingly well. Iran cut itself off from the US and Iraq is back on track.

Of course US wants favours in return of the help it provides. But it does provide help and helps it allies to develop. Look at the allies of China. It almost seems like China wants its allies to continue being the rogue countries that they are and use the as a weapon against its enemies. Doesn't seem bothered about anything else.
 
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China was angered by N.Korea's bombing of the South and sinking of a S.Korean battleship,China insists that Korean peninsula should be nuclear free and they tested a bomb near Chinese border,China has been working very hard to bring N.Korea to six party talk and they refused....what can you do?
 
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per capita income is just an average.Few persons holding 10s of billion doller and rest having just few pennies i personally did not agree with this.
 
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Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'
The US embassy cables
Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

Leaked dispatches show Beijing is frustrated with military actions of 'spoiled child' and increasingly favours reunified Korea


Simon Tisdall
guardian.co.uk, Monday 29 November 2010 21.30 GMT

A protest by South Korean war veterans after the North Korean artillery attack on Yeonpyeong Island
South Korean war veterans protest after North Korea attacked Yeonpyeong Island. The WikiLeaks cables reveal Beijing believes such actions are those of a 'spoiled child'.

the Guardian can reveal Beijing's frustration with Pyongyang has grown since its missile and nuclear tests last year, worries about the economic impact of regional instability, and fears that the death of the dictator, Kim Jong-il, could spark a succession struggle.

China's moves to distance itself from Kim are revealed in the latest tranche of leaked US embassy cables published by the Guardian and four international newspapers.

The leaked North Korea dispatches detail how:

• South Korea's vice-foreign minister said he was told by two named senior Chinese officials that they believed Korea should be reunified under Seoul's control, and that this view was gaining ground with the leadership in Beijing.

• China's vice-foreign minister told US officials that Pyongyang was behaving like a "spoiled child" to get Washington's attention in April 2009 by carrying out missile tests.

• A Chinese ambassador warned that North Korean nuclear activity was "a threat to the whole world's security".

• Chinese officials assessed that it could cope with an influx of 300,000 North Koreans in the event of serious instability, according to a representative of an international agency, but might need to use the military to seal the border.


Political collapse would ensue once Kim Jong-il died, despite the dictator's efforts to obtain Chinese help and to secure the succession for his son, Kim Jong-un.

"Citing private conversations during previous sessions of the six-party talks , Chun claimed [the two high-level officials] believed Korea should be unified under ROK [South Korea] control," Stephens reported.

Discussing how to tackle the issue with the charge d'affaires at the Beijing embassy, He Yafei observed that "North Korea wanted to engage directly with the United States and was therefore acting like a 'spoiled child' in order to get the attention of the 'adult'. China encouraged the United States, 'after some time', to start to re-engage the DPRK," according to the diplomatic cable sent to Washington.

A second dispatch from September last year described He downplaying the Chinese premier's trip to Pyongyang, telling the US deputy secretary of state, James Steinberg: "We may not like them ... [but] they [the DPRK] are a neighbour."

He said the premier, Wen Jiabao, would push for denuclearisation and a return to the six-party talks. The official also complained that North Korea "often tried to play China off [against] the United States, refusing to convey information about US-DPRK bilateral conversations".

Further evidence of China's increasing dismay with Pyongyang comes in a cable in June 2009 from the US ambassador to Kazakhstan, Richard Hoagland. He reported that his Chinese counterpart, Cheng Guoping. was "genuinely concerned by North Korea's recent nuclear missile tests. 'We need to solve this problem. It is very troublesome,' he said, calling Korea's nuclear activity a 'threat to the whole world's security'."

Cheng said Beijing "hopes for peaceful reunification in the long term, but he expects the two countries to remain separate in the short term", Hoagland reported. China's objectives were "to ensure they [North Korean leaders] honour their commitments on non-proliferation, maintain stability, and 'don't drive [Kim Jong-il] mad'."

While some Chinese officials are reported to have dismissed suggestions that North Korea would implode after Kim's death, another cable offers evidence that Beijing has considered the risk of instability.

It quoted a representative from an international agency saying Chinese officials believed they could absorb 300,000 North Koreans without outside help. If they arrived "all at once" it might use the military to seal the border, create a holding area and meet humanitarian needs. It might also ask other countries for help.

The context of the discussions was not made explicit, although an influx of that scale would only be likely in the event of regime failure. The representative said he was not aware of any contingency planning to deal with large numbers of refugees.

A Seoul embassy cable from January 2009 said China's leader, Hu Jintao, deliberately ducked the issue when the South Korean president, Lee Myung-bak, raised it at a summit.

"We understand Lee asked Hu what China thought about the North Korean domestic political situation and whether Beijing had any contingency plans. This time, Hu apparently pretended not to hear Lee," it said. The cable does not indicate the source of the reports, although elsewhere it talks about contacts at the presidential "blue house" in South Korea.


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this Indian Roybot guy blames China for N.Korea's poverty is so absurd.
 
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enlighten us where you have given aid through the auspices of the UN and have been criticized for it?


No, he means that N.Korea and Pakistan traded material and know-how for NODONG missiles and Nuke Bombs. That is exactly what Pakistan got criticised for; not for donating food to N.Korea!
 
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This is interesting indeed. India getting pally with the closest ally of PRC. What has DPRK to offer India except WMD? Obviously India has been doing what Pakistan has been doing somewhat overtly. WMD coop between the hermit kingdom and Gandhian utopia!!!
 
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This is interesting indeed. India getting pally with the closest ally of PRC. What has DPRK to offer India except WMD? Obviously India has been doing what Pakistan has been doing somewhat overtly. WMD coop between the hermit kingdom and Gandhian utopia!!!


What a FLIGHT OF FANTASY?
Right out of the "Arabian Nights" or you've been smoking too much "weed", buster! :azn:
 
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He obviously forgotten about the western sanctions :rolleyes:

He is being dishonest. Just imagine what one year of trade sanction could do to the German economy. We'll be impoverished faster than light speed. Heck, one week of sanction would be enough to cause havoc in our entire economy. The psychological factor is enough to cause long term damage. It was free trade that lifted us out of post WWII misery, it was trade that lifted SK out of abject poverty, the same happened to China after the sanctions were lifted and China opened up.
 
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Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'


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this Indian Roybot guy blames China for N.Korea's poverty is so absurd.

Don't be naive.

Why are we supposed to believe what Chinese communist party officials told US officials? They could have just lied:confused:

If China wanted it could have easily stopped North Korea from acquiring nukes and brokered a peace deal between North and South Koreas and unification.

As I said earlier, China likes to use these pariah nations as a weapon and as an asset against its own enemies.

So yeah no one is buying this hogwash. China is responsible for the plight of North Koreans.

China Won't Help U.S. On North Korea, And Here's Why - Forbes
 
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