The fate of minorities in Pakistan

[magra]

First, I want to genuinely thank you for a decent proper reply.

Thank you for the kind words

You see if a law is passed to cater to the religious belief of the majority, but those sentiments are not held by the minority then it is very discriminatory. Because the minority is being forced to observed the belief system of the majority. It would be wrong under any system, but it is especially wrong in a secular country.

If you are talking about the law of banning cow slaughter, I agree that such a law should not be there in a secular country. However, I do like to add that in any society, it is common sense to not hurt anyone's sentiments. Not eating beef does not hurt Muslim sentiment as it is not mandatory for them to eat beef.
However, eating beef and seeing cow getting killed (whom Hindus consider as mother) does hurt Hindu sentiment. So it should be socially requested of Muslims to give up beef eating since it is anyways not central to their religion. There are lots of other helpless animals in the country which can be murdered.

If a law takes into account a person's religion to award citizenship or a special right to anyone, that is highly discriminatory. These laws do affect the Indian citizens because the citizen is being classed as a second-class citizen if he/she is not a Hindu because a Hindu immigrant is afforded a special position, therefore being a Hindu is held as higher status. So as a Muslim or Christian, you hold less value. To add to that, a Hindu citizen will not have to worry about proving their right to be an Indian citizen because even if they cant provide documentary evidence, they by virtue of being a Hindu are protected, but a minority member is under threat because they must prove if required that they are Indian citizens with documentary evidence. That's not right, because it creates two classes of citizens, Hindus, Sikh, others as higher status vs Muslims as lower legal status.

As I already mentioned, I dont think this law is good. I say this for a different reason than what you pointed out. The law says 'Non-muslims' from neighboring countries would be given a priority in citizenship. This religion specific law against the secular constitution. If the intention is to give citizenship to oppressed ppl, the law should have just said 'oppressed people from neighboring countries'.
Anyways, this law is on hold for now.

I do understand the reasons behind the system, and in all honesty, I agree because it is a good system, for India and for society. But, that's not at discussion here. We are discussing whether it is discriminatory or not. If the reservation system caters to one community because of their backwardness, but it ignores other community's backwardness then it is a very unfair system. That's the issue, either something is fair or unfair, no matter what the noble thinking behind it. in this case, it is unfair and discriminatory.

Historically, backward Hindu caste people were discriminated against due to the caste they were born in. No such discrimination (or not at that level) ever happened on Muslims or other minorities. Hence the reservation was only for backward Hindu castes.
If this is unfair, then it is unfair to all minorities and also to Hindu upper castes. So this is not purely a religion based discrimination.

Again, first past the post could be part of the problem, but it is not the major problem. and, if the issue is already known, and it is, then it should have been remedied long ago. Just like the reservation system was introduced to cater to some communities, something should have been done for Muslims too.

Same answer as explained above.

But it goes much deeper, the lack of Muslim representation in legislative assemblies stems from deep root prejudice that refuses to view Muslims as equals.

That is not true. Can you give proof of your statement.

Even in the Rajya Sabha, where the choice is essentially made by the political parties so the first past the post system plays no role, the Muslim representation on average is around 4-5% mark, same as other assemblies for 70 years. The problem is a lot deeper.

Over the years, less number of minorities are entering politics which leads to lesser pool of minorities to choose from in Rajya Sabha. But there should be some reservation for minorities in Rajya Sabha to solve this issue.

This goes back to the reservation issue, it is unfair to look after the interest of one community and ignore the backwardness of another, and adding insult to injury by blaming them. It would be fair if India had no positive action programs, the fact they exist only for some and not for others, and the others always seem to be Muslims, is very discriminatory.
There have been at least two reports that I know of, who have looked into the backwardness of Muslims, but nothing has been done over the decades.

Heavy focus on education for Muslims is needed. Poor muslims should be given subsidy in primary and secondary education. They will help uplift them. This will then have domino effect on govt jobs, wealth etc.

 

[Bil]

I wanted to share this here for few reasons.

1. What a woman, dedicated, loyal and strong.
2. The system is weak but not broken, under the 1995 disability act she was able to get her husband's salary reinstated due to disability, we don't have such a right in the UK, they have to get on benefits. It took time, but the system delivered > we have to fight for things in the UK as well. My English neighbour died of cancer-related illness just 2 months ago, the system let him down badly, because I know how much effort we had to make to help him, over past few years and the weeks leading up to his death.
Proper fair evaluation is important.
3. They are a Hindu family, obviously going through tough times, I do not see persecution or discrimination, I see confident people, whom the system delivered their due rights as citizens of Pakistan. I have other examples from personal knowledge, but this is visual.

I am only tagging you guys so more people should hear positive stories.
@PakistaniandProud @Del @masterchief_mirza @313ghazi @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @PakPrinciples @PAKISTANFOREVER @Iltutmish @Goritoes @TNT @iLION12345_1 @arjunk @Vortex @Vapnope @jamahir @khansaheeb @Enigma SIG @Mujahid @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Baibars_1260

Good Lord, what a story. Many thanks for sharing brother.

 

[The Raven]

Ifu are talking about the law of banning cow slaughter, I agree that such a law should not be there in a secular country. However, I do like to add that in any society, it is common sense to not hurt anyone's sentiments. Not eating beef does not hurt Muslim sentiment as it is not mandatory for them to eat beef.
However, eating beef and seeing cow getting killed (whom Hindus consider as mother) does hurt Hindu sentiment. So it should be socially requested of Muslims to give up beef eating since it is anyways not central to their religion. There are lots of other helpless animals in the country which can be murdered

So Hindus get upset when Muslims on India slaughter and eat cows? Then how do you explain the fact that India is the third largest country in the world which exports beef?! And probably run by Hindus making money from slaughtering cows?!!

https://beef2live.com/story-world-b...f exporter in,Australia and the United States.

 

[Vortex]

I wanted to share this here for few reasons.

1. What a woman, dedicated, loyal and strong.
2. The system is weak but not broken, under the 1995 disability act she was able to get her husband's salary reinstated due to disability, we don't have such a right in the UK, they have to get on benefits. It took time, but the system delivered > we have to fight for things in the UK as well. My English neighbour died of cancer-related illness just 2 months ago, the system let him down badly, because I know how much effort we had to make to help him, over past few years and the weeks leading up to his death.
Proper fair evaluation is important.
3. They are a Hindu family, obviously going through tough times, I do not see persecution or discrimination, I see confident people, whom the system delivered their due rights as citizens of Pakistan. I have other examples from personal knowledge, but this is visual.

I am only tagging you guys so more people should hear positive stories.
@PakistaniandProud @Del @masterchief_mirza @313ghazi @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @PakPrinciples @PAKISTANFOREVER @Iltutmish @Goritoes @TNT @iLION12345_1 @arjunk @Vortex @Vapnope @jamahir @khansaheeb @Enigma SIG @Mujahid @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Baibars_1260

May Allah ease the suffering of everyone.

 

[Mutakalim]

Nothing stops the "majority" from going rabid, taking to the streets, burning every thing down, and asking for the death of the same minorities for a law which is un-Islamic and inhumane. But "hey man, what can we do?"

According to you. Majority believes otherwise. Majority is in support of that law, that's why no one even dares to talk against it openly in the public. That is democracy for you, just be a democrat and try convincing the majority by openly taking a stance against it in the public.

If you think majority is not in support of that law then why dont you people try to amend the law, if it is inhumane?

 

[peagle]

If you are talking about the law of banning cow slaughter, I agree that such a law should not be there in a secular country. However, I do like to add that in any society, it is common sense to not hurt anyone's sentiments. Not eating beef does not hurt Muslim sentiment as it is not mandatory for them to eat beef.
However, eating beef and seeing cow getting killed (whom Hindus consider as mother) does hurt Hindu sentiment. So it should be socially requested of Muslims to give up beef eating since it is anyways not central to their religion. There are lots of other helpless animals in the country which can be murdered.

I don't wish to drag this discussion, it has been good, and we both conveyed our points of view. I hope we find a better future.

On the above, I agree about the sensibilities but making it a law is wrong if fairness is to be applied.

I'm giving you my own story, I almost never eat all red meat, it's never cooked at home, and the only time I eat it is in burger form or BBQ, I do eat it, but it's not something agreeable to my taste buds.

Until around 10 years ago or so, when people would ask me, why, I would say it's my Hindu side, half-jokingly, half I did not have a problem with my ancient past, it could be Buddhist it could be Hindu, I don't care either way because change is the only constant in history.

I stopped saying it for two reasons, the increasing sensitivities around Hindu issues, any such situations force people to entrench their positions. and also, one of my Indian friends from Mumbai is Marathi and so is her husband, husband came over later. Twice I used the term in front of her without realising, and felt wrong afterward. Her husband is Christian and she is a convert so it felt wrong, and over time I just took that saying out of my mindset altogether.

Social acceptability is one thing, but when you apply a legal barrier on everyone, that becomes wrong. Those cow protection laws would be justified if India was a Hindu state, one may still disagree but they would be justified, under a secular system, they are just wrong.

 

[magra]

So Hindus get upset when Muslims on India slaughter and eat cows? Then how do you explain the fact that India is the third largest country in the world which exports beef?! And probably run by Hindus making money from slaughtering cows?!!

https://beef2live.com/story-world-beef-exports-ranking-countries-0-106903#:~:text=Brazil is projected to be,Australia and the United States.&text=exporter in 2020-,Brazil is projected to be the largest beef exporter in,Australia and the United States.

Buffalo meat is also called beef. That is permitted for export.
Hindus have issue with killing of cows, but they are ok with the murder of buffalos.

Personally, I would like no animals to be killed.

I don't wish to drag this discussion, it has been good, and we both conveyed our points of view. I hope we find a better future.

On the above, I agree about the sensibilities but making it a law is wrong if fairness is to be applied.

I'm giving you my own story, I almost never eat all red meat, it's never cooked at home, and the only time I eat it is in burger form or BBQ, I do eat it, but it's not something agreeable to my taste buds.

Until around 10 years ago or so, when people would ask me, why, I would say it's my Hindu side, half-jokingly, half I did not have a problem with my ancient past, it could be Buddhist it could be Hindu, I don't care either way because change is the only constant in history.

I stopped saying it for two reasons, the increasing sensitivities around Hindu issues, any such situations force people to entrench their positions. and also, one of my Indian friends from Mumbai is Marathi and so is her husband, husband came over later. Twice I used the term in front of her without realising, and felt wrong afterward. Her husband is Christian and she is a convert so it felt wrong, and over time I just took that saying out of my mindset altogether.

Social acceptability is one thing, but when you apply a legal barrier on everyone, that becomes wrong. Those cow protection laws would be justified if India was a Hindu state, one may still disagree but they would be justified, under a secular system, they are just wrong.

I agree that this should be done through social change rather than legal enforcement.

And I personally would like to convince everyone to go vegetarian or even vegan. Why kill helpless animals for our taste buds when there are ample other options?

 

[Baibars_1260]

I wanted to share this here for few reasons.

1. What a woman, dedicated, loyal and strong.
2. The system is weak but not broken, under the 1995 disability act she was able to get her husband's salary reinstated due to disability, we don't have such a right in the UK, they have to get on benefits. It took time, but the system delivered > we have to fight for things in the UK as well. My English neighbour died of cancer-related illness just 2 months ago, the system let him down badly, because I know how much effort we had to make to help him, over past few years and the weeks leading up to his death.
Proper fair evaluation is important.
3. They are a Hindu family, obviously going through tough times, I do not see persecution or discrimination, I see confident people, whom the system delivered their due rights as citizens of Pakistan. I have other examples from personal knowledge, but this is visual.

I am only tagging you guys so more people should hear positive stories.
@PakistaniandProud @Del @masterchief_mirza @313ghazi @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @PakPrinciples @PAKISTANFOREVER @Iltutmish @Goritoes @TNT @iLION12345_1 @arjunk @Vortex @Vapnope @jamahir @khansaheeb @Enigma SIG @Mujahid @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Baibars_1260

Thanks for sharing.
Let us review what our laws say on fundamental rights of all including minorities.
Am linking the Constitution of Pakistan here for reference:
Link.
Equality before Law ( Art 4 Introductory )
"To enjoy the protection of law and to be treated in accordance with law is the inalienable right of every citizen, wherever he may be, and of every other person for the time being within Pakistan."

In particular :- (a) no action detrimental to the life, liberty, body, reputation or property of any person shall be taken except in accordance with law; (b) no person shall be prevented from or be hindered in doing that which is not prohibited by law; and (c) no person shall be compelled to do that which the law does not require him to do.

Chapter 1: Fundamental Rights

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Laws inconsistent with or in derogation of fundamental rights to be void. (1) Any law, or any custom or usage having the force of law, in so far as it is inconsistent with the rights conferred by this Chapter, shall, to the extent of such inconsistency, be void. (2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights so conferred and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of such contravention, be void.

On religious freedom:

20	Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions. Subject to law, public order and morality:- (a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practice and propagate his religion; and (b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.
21	Safeguard against taxation for purposes of any particular religion. No person shall be compelled to pay any special tax the proceeds of which are to be spent on the propagation or maintenance of any religion other than his own.
22	Safeguards as to educational institutions in respect of religion, etc. (1) No person attending any educational institution shall be required to receive religious instruction, or take part in any religious ceremony, or attend religious worship, if such instruction, ceremony or worship relates to a religion other than his own. (2) In respect of any religious institution, there shall be no discrimination against any community in the granting of exemption or concession in relation to taxation. (3) Subject to law: (a) no religious community or denomination shall be prevented from providing religious instruction for pupils of that community or denomination in any educational institution maintained wholly by that community or denomination; and (b) no citizen shall be denied admission to any educational institution receiving aid from public revenues on the ground only of race, religion, caste or place of birth.

Thanks for sharing.
Let us review what our laws say on fundamental rights of all including minorities.
Am linking the Constitution of Pakistan here for reference:
Link.
Equality before Law ( Art 4 Introductory )
"To enjoy the protection of law and to be treated in accordance with law is the inalienable right of every citizen, wherever he may be, and of every other person for the time being within Pakistan."

In particular :- (a) no action detrimental to the life, liberty, body, reputation or property of any person shall be taken except in accordance with law; (b) no person shall be prevented from or be hindered in doing that which is not prohibited by law; and (c) no person shall be compelled to do that which the law does not require him to do.

Chapter 1: Fundamental Rights

8

Laws inconsistent with or in derogation of fundamental rights to be void. (1) Any law, or any custom or usage having the force of law, in so far as it is inconsistent with the rights conferred by this Chapter, shall, to the extent of such inconsistency, be void. (2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights so conferred and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of such contravention, be void.

On religious freedom:

20	Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions. Subject to law, public order and morality:- (a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practice and propagate his religion; and (b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.
21	Safeguard against taxation for purposes of any particular religion. No person shall be compelled to pay any special tax the proceeds of which are to be spent on the propagation or maintenance of any religion other than his own.
22	Safeguards as to educational institutions in respect of religion, etc. (1) No person attending any educational institution shall be required to receive religious instruction, or take part in any religious ceremony, or attend religious worship, if such instruction, ceremony or worship relates to a religion other than his own. (2) In respect of any religious institution, there shall be no discrimination against any community in the granting of exemption or concession in relation to taxation. (3) Subject to law: (a) no religious community or denomination shall be prevented from providing religious instruction for pupils of that community or denomination in any educational institution maintained wholly by that community or denomination; and (b) no citizen shall be denied admission to any educational institution receiving aid from public revenues on the ground only of race, religion, caste or place of birth.

Equality of citizens. (1) All citizens are equal before law and are entitled to equal protection of law. (2) There shall be no discrimination on the basis of sex 35[] 35. (3) Nothing in this Article shall prevent the State from making any special provision for the protection of women and children.

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25A.	Right to education: The State shall provide free and compulsory education to all children of the age of five to sixteen years in such manner as may be determined by law.

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26.	Non-discrimination in respect of access to public places. (1) In respect of access to places of public entertainment or resort not intended for religious purposes only, there shall be no discrimination against any citizen on the ground only of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth. (2) Nothing in clause (1) shall prevent the State from making any special provision for women and children.
27.	Safeguard against discrimination in services. (1) No citizen otherwise qualified for appointment in the service of Pakistan shall be discriminated against in respect of any such appointment on the ground only of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth: Provided that, for a period not exceeding 37[forty] 37 years from the commencing day, posts may be reserved for persons belonging to any class or area to secure their adequate representation in the service of Pakistan: Provided further that, in the interest of the said service, specified posts or services may be reserved for members of either sex if such posts or services entail the performance of duties and functions which cannot be adequately performed by members of the other sex 39[:] 39 40[Provided also that under-representation of any class or area in the service of Pakistan may be redressed in such manner as may be determined by an Act of Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament).] 40 (2) Nothing in clause (1) shall prevent any Provincial Government, or any local or other authority in a Province, from prescribing, in relation to any post or class of service under that Government or authority, conditions as to residence in the Province. for a period not exceeding three years, prior to appointment under that Government or authority.

Preservation of language, script and culture. Subject to Article 251 any section of citizens having a distinct language, script or culture shall have the right to preserve and promote the same and subject to law, establish institutions for that purpose.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Freedom of association.

(1)	Every citizen shall have the right to form associations or unions, subject to any reasonable restrictions imposed by law in the interest of 26[sovereignty or integrity of Pakistan, public order or morality] 26.

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(2)	Every citizen, not being in the service of Pakistan, shall have the right to form or be a member of a political party, subject to any reasonable restrictions imposed by law in the interest of the sovereignty or integrity of Pakistan 28[or public order] 28and such law shall provide that where the Federal Government declare that any political party has been formed or is operating in a manner prejudicial to the sovereignty or integrity of Pakistan 29[or public order] 29, the Federal Government shall, within fifteen days of such declaration, refer the matter to the Supreme Court whose decision on such reference shall be final 30[:] 30 31[Providedthat no political party shall promote sectarian, ethnic, regional hatred or animosity, or be titled or constituted as a militant group or section.] 31
(3)	Every political party shall account for the source of its funds in accordance with law.

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(4)	Every political party shall, subject to law, hold intra-party elections to elect its office-bearers and party leaders.

] 32

 

[Itachi]

Buffalo meat is also called beef. That is permitted for export.
Hindus have issue with killing of cows, but they are ok with the murder of buffalos.

Now that is pure textbook sexist bs against buffalos!!

And literally no one slaughters cows.....Indian Muslims also get lynched for eating buffaloes.....they get lynched for eating beef. You said it yourself....beef is buffalo meat...

If it's good enough for export, it's good enough to be eaten inside the country.


Just admit it. India is not only the rape capital of this world but also the capital for inflicting abuse on its minorities. Between India and China, I don't know who's in first place in terms of minority abuse...


Pakistan is probably a 100 levels below both you guys though and still the libtards and sickulars cry about the situation.

 

[peagle]

Thanks for sharing.
Let us review what our laws say on fundamental rights of all including minorities.
Am linking the Constitution of Pakistan here for reference:
Link.
Equality before Law ( Art 4 Introductory )
"To enjoy the protection of law and to be treated in accordance with law is the inalienable right of every citizen, wherever he may be, and of every other person for the time being within Pakistan."

In particular :- (a) no action detrimental to the life, liberty, body, reputation or property of any person shall be taken except in accordance with law; (b) no person shall be prevented from or be hindered in doing that which is not prohibited by law; and (c) no person shall be compelled to do that which the law does not require him to do.

Chapter 1: Fundamental Rights

8

Laws inconsistent with or in derogation of fundamental rights to be void. (1) Any law, or any custom or usage having the force of law, in so far as it is inconsistent with the rights conferred by this Chapter, shall, to the extent of such inconsistency, be void. (2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights so conferred and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of such contravention, be void.

On religious freedom:

20	Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions. Subject to law, public order and morality:- (a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practice and propagate his religion; and (b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.
21	Safeguard against taxation for purposes of any particular religion. No person shall be compelled to pay any special tax the proceeds of which are to be spent on the propagation or maintenance of any religion other than his own.
22	Safeguards as to educational institutions in respect of religion, etc. (1) No person attending any educational institution shall be required to receive religious instruction, or take part in any religious ceremony, or attend religious worship, if such instruction, ceremony or worship relates to a religion other than his own. (2) In respect of any religious institution, there shall be no discrimination against any community in the granting of exemption or concession in relation to taxation. (3) Subject to law: (a) no religious community or denomination shall be prevented from providing religious instruction for pupils of that community or denomination in any educational institution maintained wholly by that community or denomination; and (b) no citizen shall be denied admission to any educational institution receiving aid from public revenues on the ground only of race, religion, caste or place of birth.

Equality of citizens. (1) All citizens are equal before law and are entitled to equal protection of law. (2) There shall be no discrimination on the basis of sex 35[] 35. (3) Nothing in this Article shall prevent the State from making any special provision for the protection of women and children.

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25A.	Right to education: The State shall provide free and compulsory education to all children of the age of five to sixteen years in such manner as may be determined by law.

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26.	Non-discrimination in respect of access to public places. (1) In respect of access to places of public entertainment or resort not intended for religious purposes only, there shall be no discrimination against any citizen on the ground only of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth. (2) Nothing in clause (1) shall prevent the State from making any special provision for women and children.
27.	Safeguard against discrimination in services. (1) No citizen otherwise qualified for appointment in the service of Pakistan shall be discriminated against in respect of any such appointment on the ground only of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth: (2) Nothing in clause (1) shall prevent any Provincial Government, or any local or other authority in a Province, from prescribing, in relation to any post or class of service under that Government or authority, conditions as to residence in the Province. for a period not exceeding three years, prior to appointment under that Government or authority.

Preservation of language, script and culture. Subject to Article 251 any section of citizens having a distinct language, script or culture shall have the right to preserve and promote the same and subject to law, establish institutions for that purpose.

Thank you, for a great post, well done, indeed.

 

[magra]

Now that is pure textbook sexist bs against buffalos!!

Buffalo is not male cow. Buffalo is a different mammal. I mentioned already that I do not favor any law for ban but would favor social change to convince everyone to become vegetarian.

And literally no one slaughters cows.....Indian Muslims also get lynched for eating buffaloes.....they get lynched for eating beef. You said it yourself....beef is buffalo meat...

You are exaggerating few incidents (which are regrettable and guilty should be punished) to make it sound like muslims everywhere are getting lynched daily.

 

[The Raven]

Thanks for sharing.
Let us review what our laws say on fundamental rights of all including minorities.
Am linking the Constitution of Pakistan here for reference:
Link.
Equality before Law ( Art 4 Introductory )
"To enjoy the protection of law and to be treated in accordance with law is the inalienable right of every citizen, wherever he may be, and of every other person for the time being within Pakistan."

In particular :- (a) no action detrimental to the life, liberty, body, reputation or property of any person shall be taken except in accordance with law; (b) no person shall be prevented from or be hindered in doing that which is not prohibited by law; and (c) no person shall be compelled to do that which the law does not require him to do.

Chapter 1: Fundamental Rights

8

Laws inconsistent with or in derogation of fundamental rights to be void. (1) Any law, or any custom or usage having the force of law, in so far as it is inconsistent with the rights conferred by this Chapter, shall, to the extent of such inconsistency, be void. (2) The State shall not make any law which takes away or abridges the rights so conferred and any law made in contravention of this clause shall, to the extent of such contravention, be void.

On religious freedom:

20	Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions. Subject to law, public order and morality:- (a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practice and propagate his religion; and (b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.
21	Safeguard against taxation for purposes of any particular religion. No person shall be compelled to pay any special tax the proceeds of which are to be spent on the propagation or maintenance of any religion other than his own.
22	Safeguards as to educational institutions in respect of religion, etc. (1) No person attending any educational institution shall be required to receive religious instruction, or take part in any religious ceremony, or attend religious worship, if such instruction, ceremony or worship relates to a religion other than his own. (2) In respect of any religious institution, there shall be no discrimination against any community in the granting of exemption or concession in relation to taxation. (3) Subject to law: (a) no religious community or denomination shall be prevented from providing religious instruction for pupils of that community or denomination in any educational institution maintained wholly by that community or denomination; and (b) no citizen shall be denied admission to any educational institution receiving aid from public revenues on the ground only of race, religion, caste or place of birth.

Equality of citizens. (1) All citizens are equal before law and are entitled to equal protection of law. (2) There shall be no discrimination on the basis of sex 35[] 35. (3) Nothing in this Article shall prevent the State from making any special provision for the protection of women and children.

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25A.	Right to education: The State shall provide free and compulsory education to all children of the age of five to sixteen years in such manner as may be determined by law.

] 36

26.	Non-discrimination in respect of access to public places. (1) In respect of access to places of public entertainment or resort not intended for religious purposes only, there shall be no discrimination against any citizen on the ground only of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth. (2) Nothing in clause (1) shall prevent the State from making any special provision for women and children.
27.	Safeguard against discrimination in services. (1) No citizen otherwise qualified for appointment in the service of Pakistan shall be discriminated against in respect of any such appointment on the ground only of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth: (2) Nothing in clause (1) shall prevent any Provincial Government, or any local or other authority in a Province, from prescribing, in relation to any post or class of service under that Government or authority, conditions as to residence in the Province. for a period not exceeding three years, prior to appointment under that Government or authority.

Preservation of language, script and culture. Subject to Article 251 any section of citizens having a distinct language, script or culture shall have the right to preserve and promote the same and subject to law, establish institutions for that purpose.

Almost every constitution has broadly similar articles, even the Indian and US, but that in no way reflects the realities of how minorities are treated. Theory and practice are two very different things.

Buffalo is not male cow. Buffalo is a different mammal. I mentioned already that I do not favor any law for ban but would favor social change to convince everyone to become vegetarian.


You are exaggerating few incidents (which are regrettable and guilty should be punished) to make it sound like muslims everywhere are getting lynched daily.

You're full of bullshit...pun intended.

 

[Baibars_1260]

Buffalo is not male cow. Buffalo is a different mammal. I mentioned already that I do not favor any law for ban but would favor social change to convince everyone to become vegetarian.


You are exaggerating few incidents (which are regrettable and guilty should be punished) to make it sound like muslims everywhere are getting lynched daily.

Is such a defensive attitude really necessary?
Do India and Pakistan really owe each other an explanation on how they treat their minorities?
The only agreement regarding treatment of minorities between India and Pakistan is the Liaquat -Nehru pact 8th April 1950 ( Link )
Even this pact deals mainly with the migrant (refugee) problem and exchange of assets as compensation left behind during the population exchange,
Though the opening statement says:
" The Governments of India and Pakistan solemnly agree to guarantee minorities in their territories equality of citizenship irrespective of religion..,"

The pact is long since dead...
No one cares. Bangladesh did not even ratify the pact as it canceled all pacts signed by Pakistan. In fact the bulk of Pakistan's minorities were in East Pakistan. Remarkably India never raised the issue of Bangladesh re-affirming its adherence to the Liaquat Nehru pact .
Millions of Hindus and Chakmas have fled Bangladesh since 1971
Hypocrisy comes in many forms .

 

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Is such a defensive attitude really necessary?
Do India and Pakistan really owe each other an explanation on how they treat their minorities?
The only agreement regarding treatment of minorities between India and Pakistan is the Liaquat -Nehru pact 8th April 1950 ( Link )
Even this pact deals mainly with the migrant (refugee) problem and exchange of assets as compensation left behind during the population exchange,
Though the opening statement says:
" The Governments of India and Pakistan solemnly agree to guarantee minorities in their territories equality of citizenship irrespective of religion..,"

The pact is long since dead...
No one cares. Bangladesh did not even ratify the pact as it canceled all pacts signed by Pakistan. In fact the bulk of Pakistan's minorities were in East Pakistan. Remarkably India never raised the issue of Bangladesh re-affirming its adherence to the Liaquat Nehru pact .
Millions of Hindus and Chakmas have fled Bangladesh since 1971
Hypocrisy comes in many forms .

India should treat its minorities well not because it signed some treaty with Pakistan but because they are Indian citizens. Same should be the case with Pakistan, BD or any other country.