The fall of Ottamans and rise of British made PGCC countries

[Placemat]

Islamic World at that time was way ahead of Medieval Europe

Thats the rise and fall of civilizations. Egypt, iraq, iran, India,China had glorious civilizations egypt and middle east died out 2500 years ago. Similarly after islam rallied groups into one political entity they grew. But not reinventing themselves started their decline. Chinese are reinventing themselves.

 

[IronHeart]

Islamic World at that time was way ahead of Medieval Europe

No it wasn't.

 

[313ghazi]

Thats the rise and fall of civilizations. Egypt, iraq, iran, India,China had glorious civilizations egypt and middle east died out 2500 years ago. Similarly after islam rallied groups into one political entity they grew. But not reinventing themselves started their decline. Chinese are reinventing themselves.

Spot on.

 

[Nein]

No it wasn't.

It was saying medieval europe was ahead is like saying Modern Day Egypt is ahead of Modern Day Germany.

A lot of crusader fanboys just cant admit medieval europe was garbage.

Thats the rise and fall of civilizations. Egypt, iraq, iran, India,China had glorious civilizations egypt and middle east died out 2500 years ago. Similarly after islam rallied groups into one political entity they grew. But not reinventing themselves started their decline. Chinese are reinventing themselves.

I dont disagree there to be honest

 

[IronHeart]

It was saying medieval europe was ahead is like saying Modern Day Egypt is ahead of Modern Day Germany.

A lot of crusader fanboys just cant admit medieval europe was garbage.

Medieval Europe wasn't ahead, Nor was The Medieval Muslim world.

A lot of crusader fanboys just cant admit medieval europe was garbage.

So was and still is the Muslim world!

 

[Numerous]

Great post, thanks for sharing.

I hope soon Turkey, Iran, and Pakistan can come together as one bloc. We should improve our relationship with China and use BRI to quite literally control world trade again as we did in the pre-imperialism era.

May Allah swt bless Turkey, Iran, and Pakistan. We are the only hope for the Muslim world now.

Iran is part of the "only hope" squad lol?

Did them killing 100,000s of sunnis in Syria teach you nothing?

 

[Placemat]

Spot on.

Yii may agree with me on this. But how to reinvent you may not. I believe that religion has to be kept to the side of you want to progress in todays world. I mean religion out of political life.

 

[Mamadouso]

U.S. air bases:

Turkey: Yes. (Incirlik Air Base)

Qatar: Yes. (Al Udeid Air Base)

Saudi Arabia: No





Buys/sells or have bought weapons from Israel:

Turkey: Yes.

What Israel had done for Turkey in military corporation:

• Modernization of Turkey's F-4 Phantoms and F-5 aircraft – $900 million.
• Upgrading 170 of Turkey's M60A1 tanks – $687 million.
• Popeye-I and Popeye-II missiles.
• Popeye-II surface-to-air missiles – $150 million.
• 10 Heron UAV - $183 million.
• Arrow anti-ballistic-missiles. (Agreed in principle by Israel; approval by the United States pending.)
• The agreement provided exchange of pilots eight times a year; allowed Israeli pilots to practice "long range flying over mountainous land" in Turkey's Konya firing range; and permitted Turkish pilots to train at Israel's computerized firing range at the Nevatim airfield.[116]
• The two navies conducted maneuvers during Operation Reliant Mermaid (the U.S. also participated) in January 1998."

Iran: Yes.

Iran Contra:

• First arms sales in 1981 (see above)
• 20 August 1985 – 96 TOW anti-tank missiles
• 14 September 1985 – 408 more TOWs
• 24 November 1985 – 18 Hawk anti-aircraft missiles
• 17 February 1986 – 500 TOWs
• 27 February 1986 – 500 TOWs
• 24 May 1986 – 508 TOWs, 240 Hawk spare parts
• 4 August 1986 – More Hawk spares
• 28 October 1986 – 500 TOWs

Saudi Arabia: No


Have or had diplomatic relations with Israel:

Turkey: Yes

And still have one of the best relations with more than 10 flights a day between the two countries, military corporation, and flourishing trade.

Qatar: Yes

Saudi Arabia: No. Never had.

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So, yeah..

But Qatar still counts as a GCC country and it was when the US set up the base. Oman has just allowed the US access to its ports for free. Jordan has a US base. Bahrain and UAE also host thousands of US troops!

Also Saudi keep doing the old mistake of recycling the oil money back in to Western arms deals, despite the massive propaganda against Saudi in the West.